On 2011-04-27 21:45, SpaceAdmiral wrote:

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On 2011-04-27 21:19, Talien wrote: Quote: On 2011-04-27 17:15, SpaceAdmiral wrote: I <3 the UGTO bashing about depots. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Every faction depo hugs on the defensive. Period. They all have their own way of doing it. UGTO: High armor. ICC: Missile spam. Kluth: Cloak to repair near depo without enemies shooting you. Decloak when fully repped. With numerical superiority, sure, all 3 factions can camp at a depot planet and drive off an attacking force, but when the attackers outnumber the defenders? Well, let's see. ICC camping at a depot planet to missile spam with MD/SS get rushed and are either killed or chased away because missile ships are useless up close. Kluth camping at a depot planet get straight up ignored if they cloak while the enemy moves in, then get pulverized after being pinged or decloaking to attack. UGTO camping at a depot planet (unless outnumbered by a ludicrous amount like 10 to 1) just sit in place and rotate while tanking the damage if they're in a shroom, or park ontop of a shroom to repair if they're in something else. If you still don't understand why it's an issue then I invite you to play one of the other factions for a while and experience what it's like when you're on the other end of UGTO depot camping.

/facepalm
How many times have I stated that I have a non-UGTO alt?
1. Rushing in to hit missile ships hurts. Enough for a combat/assault dread to finish anyone that comes into close range. Combined arms. Can fall to clever attacks.

2. 2 luth stations. A is being attacked and is almost dieing. It cloaks and reps to 100 in no time. B meanwhile has lost some hull, so it fights for a bit more then proceeds to cloak. Rinse repeat. Can fall to sheer firepower forcing 2 or more ships needing mass repairs at once.

3. UGTO smacks anything that gets into QST range. You're ICC. Why are you in QST range? Luth can also snipe using core weapons, krills with range enh have been here for a while. In other words, can fall to smart tactics, mainly out-ranging as unlike kluth, we can't cloak back to the depo should we get hit.

On 2011-04-28 06:56, Starcommand wrote:
After so long it seems things haven't changed.

To the people wondering why ICC are in QST range? Remember WAYY back, like 6 months ago (there abouts) when the range nerf was done? Ya thats why, with such a small range buffer between the IC and QST its easy for UGTO to get into QST range and just tank the IC damage.

From what I have been reading it still looks like ICC can't sit at a depot planet and have there shields energized by reps. Been sayin that for a long time, that shields need to be repaired by depots. Then ICC will be able to sit at a planet and do the same thing that the other 2 factions can do (sit at plaent and lol at damage).

UGTO sound like there still OP when it comes to planet defence, sit at planet and lol at damage. Game was made for numbers that don't exisist.

ICC supercharge for shields.....was a good idea and had good intentions, but never was practical (and I said so when it came out).


Fixes? Just read back in the archives, I have put them out there. Ones that would fix the bellyaching thats been going one. Ones that would fix the balance issues. All ignored, and yet the issues still provail.

On 2011-04-29 06:40, GA Soulless wrote:

what do you do about the uggies who point jump everytime their JD is ready?

On 2011-04-27 22:54, Reznor wrote:
I've always been of the opinion that Azreal is always right, and I still agree with him here .

Though I'm curious to know how you'd change it, Azreal. Bring back .483 (is that the right number?) cloak? But I don't know what .483 cloak was like :S .

On 2011-04-29 15:31, Necrolance wrote:
ICC? Disappear? Blasphemy. UGTO's ships are suckish in my opinion, and I find ICC's ships to be easier and more fun. Sure, missiles aren't always effective, but that's the CHALLENGE. Where's the fun in having no challenges? Oh, and ICC is hard to use, eh? So then that ship named 'stealth corvette' is super hard to use, am I right? It's so hard to just point and click to fire a 5-torpedo payload of pain, isn't it?


I fail to see your logic on 'ICC is so hard to play and UGTO is easy'.

You guys need to realize that everyone has their preferences. I like the ICC ships more. Oh, and a lot of UGTO players I've met are jerks, while the ICC players I've met are a lot nicer. And so I personally fail to see the appeal of UGTO. And k'luth ships are just not my style, so I'm not going to tread those waters. So yeah. I'm going to be liking this change with ICC.

On 2011-04-29 17:42, SpaceAdmiral wrote:
At entry levels UGTO is easier to play than ICC. This is because many people decide its fun to point jump enemies while in a combat dread. They play to their enemies' strengths and then pay for it.


But at higher levels I would say managing armor arcs is harder than maintaining shields.

Closing distance vs skilled ICC is harder than maintaining the long range.

UGTO ships seem to have good energy because almost everyone shuts pd off. The few people who use pd find it energy demanding to close in on enemies with full speed and pd.

UGTO also have to worry about enemy fighters the most, with other factions having huge pd/cloak counters.

In short, ICC is easier to play at tip top shape than UGTO once you get the hang of shields and energy. But the popular "point jump mash spacebar" works best with UGTO, as they are the slugger faction.