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NA Staff Meeting 9-3-2002 Open Portion |
Tael
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|  Posted: 2002-09-03 22:50
* EVENT: 'NA Staff Meeting' event is starting now...
* [PB]tragicx taps the gavel.
02:01:00 [Admin]Dr Evil: "Dearly beloved, we are gathered this day...."
* [-GTN-]Kortoz snaps his fingers
02:01:30 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "Ahmen"
02:01:30 [~L~]Coleen: "heh"
02:01:34 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: ":P"
02:01:39 [-GTN-]Demorian: "back"
02:01:43 [~L~]Coleen: "Right. So, topic?"
02:02:37 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "is anyone alive down there???"
02:02:40 [-GTN-]Demorian: "..."
02:02:47 [MUTED] [=SSC=]Varzadium: "hi"
02:02:47 [-GTN-]Demorian: "am i borked or is it quiet"
* Nojj whispered "I motion that we discuss the immediate commencement of research into the amount of wood a woodchuck can actually chuck in a zero gravity environment"
02:02:50 [MUTED] [=SSC=]Varzadium: "?"
02:02:53 [PB]Praetorian: "quiet"
02:03:06 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "Yawns"
02:03:09 [Admin]Selvarian: "Yeah, sorry, I am coding right now"
02:03:09 [~L~]Coleen: "Admins? Topic?"
02:03:30 [-[A]-]|2eason: "I know a topic I want, but I will hold til private portion..."
02:03:33 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "admins were abducted by kluth"
02:03:44 [MUTED] [S.W]Juxtapose: "thats not fair!"
02:03:47 [Admin]Selvarian: "Well, we obviously had an adhoc meeting earlier today. Anyone who was there want to do a quick recap?"
02:04:02 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "?????"
02:04:07 [-[A]-]|2eason: "I am reading it atm..."
02:04:20 [Admin]Selvarian: "The chat log is in the PMF"
02:11:29 [Admin]Tael: "Most of the adhoc was closed...."
02:04:25 [Admin]Dr Evil: "chatting with faustus right now...."
02:04:27 [~L~]Coleen: "Yeah.. heh. Evil got to see me REALLY wound up  "
02:04:30 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "rgr"
02:04:49 [Admin]Selvarian: "He online?"
02:05:09 [Admin]Dr Evil: "yeah, he and I are sending little loving notes to each other"
02:05:28 [-GTN-]Demorian: "UNF"
02:05:32 [Admin]Selvarian: "Uh, I don't wanna know"
02:05:49 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "Hey Evil ask F if he liked my Pic i sent as a test this morning  "
02:05:50 [Admin]Dr Evil: "today's adhoc meeting started off as a compensation to staff who had lost credits/ships during the server resets over the past two days...."
02:05:51 [Admin]Selvarian: "OK"
02:13:05 [Admin]Tael: "Ok Any staff have any issues they wish to bring up in the open?"
02:13:25 [Admin]Tael: "not just staff, but i was starting with staff then working towards the player pool,"
02:06:29 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Grouping Prestige"
02:06:34 [Admin]Dr Evil: "it progressed into a military psychological experimentation where I told the staff that we were going to reset all profiles when the box hits the shelf...."
02:06:35 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Is the bonus still too much?"
02:06:45 [Admin]Dr Evil: "of course the staff went nuts...."
02:06:55 [-GTN-]Demorian: "you're terrible Evil."
02:06:58 [Admin]Dr Evil: "...as I had anticipated..."
02:07:03 [~L~]Coleen: "And I'm not sure how, but I'M STILL going to get you back for that, Evil"
02:07:14 [-GTN-]Demorian: "HEY"
02:07:18 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I brought up a topic"
02:07:25 [Admin]Dr Evil: "anyway, we got faustus to come out of his hole and give us the final word on it...."
02:07:39 [Admin]Selvarian: "OK."
02:07:50 [Admin]Dr Evil: "he's not going to do a full game wide profile wipe when DS goes retail."
02:07:59 [-GTN-]Demorian: "yay! "
02:15:15 [Admin]Tael: "just the staff is getting reset"
02:08:18 [-GTN-]Demorian: "lol"
02:08:18 [-[A]-]|2eason: "yay"
02:15:29 [Admin]Tael: "j/k"
02:08:27 [~L~]Coleen: "hehe"
* Nojj whispered "Tael... I would like to discuss the cloaking ability of Gaifen. I feel it is a topic that needs to be officially addressed."
02:08:31 [Admin]Dr Evil: "...at which point the staff turned on me with tar and feathers...."
02:08:49 [~L~]Gideon: "It was rather like watching Gollum crawl out and give some proclimation..."
02:08:50 [Admin]Selvarian: "Can't say I blame them..  P"
02:09:00 [~L~]Coleen: "Neh.. I was to busy trying not to strangle you to go after you with the tar and feathers"
02:09:02 [PB]Smokey: "as i understand it all the pres is shared to everyone so if you only have a few ppl making pres you won't get as much or whatever... but still i don't like the idea of getting points like supply or construct... kinda takes away from the effect if you really didn't earn it yourself.. anyway"
* You whispered to Nojj : "ok 1 sec..."
02:09:14 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Gideon has just compared Faustus to Gollum. Gid, you rule."
02:16:51 [Admin]Tael: "So is grouping back in line, or still to high?"
02:09:56 [Admin]Dr Evil: "I did state for the record that I was playing the Devil's advocate and seeing how the staff would react to such news...."
02:09:58 [~L~]Gideon: "DarkSpace is my precious, My own. It came to me...a birthday present..."
02:10:00 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Thats what I wanted to discuss"
02:10:02 [Admin]Selvarian: "Well, grouping prestige is a base method of enticing teamwork. Not sure if it will work out in the long run, though"
* Nojj whispered "Thank you for your attention to my request."
02:10:09 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "seems to be in line"
02:10:25 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "I think grouping is fine, but get diluted the bigger the team unless all are supplys "
02:10:26 [~L~]Coleen: "Gideon.. that evil cackle you're doing is starting to frighten me.."
02:10:30 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Selv, in my very humble opinion, it will not"
02:10:32 [PB]tragicx: "I think it's fine where it's at."
02:10:32 [Admin]Selvarian: "The main problem is that the game needs to either incorporate a prestige earn rate."
02:17:51 [Admin]Tael: "my understanding of the reworked version is the more people on the team the higher the ammount awarded"
02:10:45 [-GTN-]Demorian: "The majority of DarkSpace players plays for prestige. It is the sad truth."
02:10:57 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Therefore, a means of gaining prestige FASTER is not the way to encourage teamwork"
02:11:00 [Admin]Dr Evil: "....faustus recognized a well organized lynch mob and took the correct path of developement"
02:11:11 [-GTN-]Demorian: "because it is teamwork that is the very antithesis of how players think nowadays. most o them."
02:18:18 [Admin]Tael: "so a 2 person team might only get x percent of the points while a 10 person team would get z% of the points..."
02:11:14 [Admin]Selvarian: "Either by putting a cap on the amount of prestige gained per unit time, or by designing the rewards so that they do not exceed that amount in the same time period"
02:11:47 [PB]Smokey: "from what F told us one day the newer version of it splits up the pres between everyone.. not everyone getting the same points.. so if you have 1 person making all the points your all splitting it up"
02:11:52 [Admin]Dr Evil: "faustus broke the math out last week, it's 1.5 / number of players in the group"
02:11:52 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Selv, I personally think that all tasks (eng, combat, bombing, etc) need to have a RELATIVE (not exact) similarity in points gained per [time spent]"
02:12:12 [PB]Smokey: "yeah that's it.. 1.5"
02:12:43 [-GTN-]Demorian: "that way you can take out any ship and have confidence that you will do just as well in A ship as you will in B ship"
02:12:46 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "1.5/2 = .75 each, 1.5/8 well... you get the picture"
02:13:11 [Admin]Selvarian: "Hmmm. so it favors small groups"
02:13:14 [~L~]Gideon: "So, we are encouraging players to NOT form groups now..."
02:13:21 [-GTN-]Demorian: "This I did not know"
02:13:24 [~L~]Gideon: "Or at least, form groups beyond two."
02:20:45 [Admin]Tael: "hmm maybe pull grouping and make it part of clan... so you can only group with members of your own fleet on a server."
02:13:43 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Gideon, the MAIN problem is that a group is being viewed as a "team""
02:13:45 [Admin]Selvarian: "You sure that calc is right?"
02:13:46 [PB]tragicx: "NOTE: A one person team will NOT gain 1.5x as well."
02:13:52 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "i like that Tael"
02:13:58 [-GTN-]Demorian: "bring the groups together, bring the team together. thats supposed to be how it worked."
02:14:04 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "from Faustus himself"
02:14:07 [-GTN-]Demorian: "but it just doesnt work that way with a bunch of people that play for points."
02:14:14 [~L~]Coleen: "Well, I know in some of the other online games I play, when there are more players in the group, they earn a BONUS amount of pres, xp, whatever,that gets bigger the more players there are in the group. Mind you, this is in additon to the xp they're making already"
02:14:18 [Admin]Dr Evil: "yep, that's right from faustus last week"
02:14:21 [~L~]Gideon: "I understand that..."
02:14:31 [MUTED] [-DD-]Fornax: "No Gideon - think about the math. 2 player team earns 1.5/2 -- but earns twice as many points as separately. 3 player teams earns 1.5/3 - but earns three times as many points as separately"
02:14:33 [~L~]Gideon: "However, that is all that people play for."
02:14:37 [-GTN-]Demorian: "we need to make the game work so people can play the game the way its supposed to be played and not worry about how many points theyre making because it doesnt matter no matter what theyre doing, its all relatively the same. agreed everyone?"
02:14:51 [Admin]Dr Evil: "[02:14:06 04/09/02] * Pentara [GP] whispered "Hope this isnt disturbing you. What about the following change. When person A in a group gets prestige, he gets 100% of what he earner (no cost to being in a group) and each other person gets 15% of what he earned. This is added as bonus prestige or group prestige (if you can make a new group).""
02:14:51 [~L~]Gideon: "That is why they are always point whoring in FA rather than spending time in the MV>"
02:14:59 [~L~]Gideon: "Points are all people seek in this game."
02:15:20 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "Formax, thats only true if all the players are earning pres all the time continually which is not accurate or realistic"
02:15:27 [Admin]Dr Evil: "the only problem with that Pentara is you will have people simply freeloading, there is no incentive for someone to NOT team"
02:15:36 [~L~]Gideon: "We should build our dynamic around what people play for. Rather than some nebulous concept that may or may not be in the future."
02:15:40 [Admin]Selvarian: "Well, if I make 100 points per hour by myself (average player), then in a group of two, we each get 150 per hour, and if there are 4 of us, then it will still be 150 per hour, etc."
02:15:58 [PB]Smokey: "yeah i was going to say group pres should go in bonus or something.. so we don't have ppl getting badges they didn't earn..."
02:16:06 [-GTN-]Demorian: "exactly Selv"
02:16:08 [PB]Praetorian: "Fornax, that is of course assuming that all 3 of the players are earning prestige, and not just sitting there."
02:16:40 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "In ideal conditions yes..note the ideal"
02:16:49 [Admin]Selvarian: "Essentially, you get a 50% bonus for grouping together, no matter how many of you are in a group; the issue is who is generating the prestige and who isn;t"
02:17:33 [Admin]Dr Evil: "at least it's not 100% like it was the first few hours of the update...."
02:17:41 [~L~]Gideon: "Well, I see the prestege shareing as a reward for those who are flying support like interdictors who cannot get prestege normally anyways."
02:18:02 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Evil, try first 24 hours"
02:18:05 [-GTN-]Demorian: "or at least 16"
02:18:10 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "I agree gid, but most ppl wont group right now if its not with supply ships"
02:18:15 [~L~]Coleen: "Correct, Gideon. I think Leviathan's little training exercise yesterday made that abundantly clear.."
02:18:18 [~L~]Gideon: "[02:17:49 04/09/02] * [*TS*]Midnight whispered "Gid half the fear in groups is also the los of prestige when a player dies.. maybe remove that loss ..that way the only person who loses is the one who loses his ship. as for points being the only thing chased after.. well. myabe lessen the press lost from a ship loss.. so they will attempt to have more fun""
02:18:41 [Admin]Dr Evil: "before this dictors didn't get much of anything but admiration"
02:18:43 [~L~]Gideon: "That is a valid point."
02:18:56 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "hey guys.. I am sorry to interupt... I got in a accident yesterday., and i am on heavy pain killers I was gonna come to the meeting and sit.. but my foot is throbbing so I have to go."
02:18:57 [PB]Smokey: "well if you remove the pres lost then no one will try and protect their teamates before they die )"
02:18:58 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "I am sorry"
02:19:06 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Midnight, thats a negative, where there is hope there is also fear. or however you wanna put it"
02:19:14 [-[A]-]Banshee: "cya Neo, get well soon"
02:19:23 [Admin]Selvarian: "'sok Neo"
02:19:25 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "Well the thing is that why most people just do supply to gain pres"
02:19:26 [-[A]-]|2eason: "later neo"
02:19:29 [-GTN-]Demorian: "you have to have a negative where you put a positive. it is the precious commodity that DS is currently lacking a lot of, and is called balance."
02:19:34 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "get better neo, l8r"
02:19:37 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "is because being a supply has less risk in losing prestige then fighting"
02:19:38 [-GTN-]Demorian: "later Neo"
* [-GTN-]TheGriffin pats [-GTN-]NeoViper on the back
02:19:38 [Admin]Dr Evil: "faustus wants teams to share the good and the bad, it offsets the pres bonus the team shares"
02:19:42 [~L~]Coleen: "And myself, I am a dedicated supply pilot. I appreciate being able to get badges/etc and still help my team out"
02:19:58 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "by the way... before I go, I have some advice.... DONT PUT YOUR FOOT UNDER THE LAWNMOWER... HEHE"
02:20:00 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Sky, exactly. Which goes back to my point about (GUESS WHAT) equalizing pres gain"
02:20:09 [PB]Smokey: "ouch"
02:20:09 [-[A]-]Banshee: "LOL"
02:20:13 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "but dem"
02:20:15 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "OUCH"
02:20:17 [-[A]-]Banshee: "silly sky"
02:20:18 [PB]tragicx: "Oww.."
02:20:19 [-[A]-]|2eason: "oh jeez"
02:20:20 [-[A]-]|2eason: "ouch"
02:20:22 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "ouch!"
02:20:23 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "laters"
02:20:26 [~L~]Coleen: "OWW"
* [MUTED] [*TS*]evilwevil has entered the room...
02:20:27 [-GTN-]Demorian: "*quote book*"
02:20:34 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "my point is that equalizing pres"
02:20:47 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Great, now my foot is throbing a bit, :|"
02:20:48 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "if you had equal pres for doing everything what would you do?"
02:20:54 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "be a supply can get boring at times"
02:20:55 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: ":/"
02:21:00 [~L~]Coleen: "Well, anyway. We're not going to be able to FORCE people to group. We have to make them want to group"
* [-[A]-]Banshee wonders why everyone suddenly stuck their feet under the mower
02:21:15 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Sky, face the facts, my friend."
02:21:19 [Admin]Selvarian: "Youdo whatever your team needs of you that you can provide"
02:21:20 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "?"
02:21:21 [-GTN-]Demorian: "90% of DS players play for prestige"
02:21:22 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "my point exactly coleen"
02:21:32 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I wish It werent so, but hey, three months without a resource system did that to the game."
02:21:48 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Actually Dem..."
02:21:52 [Admin]Selvarian: "If you can fly a deluxe tranny, and they need a bombing tranny, get one"
02:21:59 [Admin]Dr Evil: "I myself don't like to group simply because I'm Evli...."
02:22:01 [-GTN-]Demorian: "therefore we cannot make it easy for players to gain quick points my making one job more potent than another. they have to be the same so players can have confidence doing the things that the team needs"
02:22:03 [-[A]-]|2eason: "The last month of Beta did"
02:22:07 [PB]Praetorian: "Demo, well, up until a month ago, I wasn't playng for points..."
02:22:07 [-[A]-]|2eason: "that and P2P"
02:22:09 [-GTN-]Demorian: "knowing they wouldnt do better if they were supp whoring"
* [-GTN-]TheGriffin smiles at [Admin]Dr Evil...
02:22:39 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Yes, as a result of the resource system being removed |2eason"
02:22:45 [-GTN-]Demorian: "last month of beta was when it was taken out"
02:22:51 [~L~]Coleen: "Myself, I'm not the best person to ask, simply because I'm NOT playing for points.. I mostly joined Leviathans because I actually LIKE teamplay"
02:23:00 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "I admit it....... i to Sup whored "
02:23:11 [-[A]-]|2eason: "That, and players got the idea that you would be paying for prestige now..."
02:23:14 [-GTN-]Demorian: "new players (at P2P release especially) learned to play DS as a killing game and not a tribes-like teamwork game. which goes back to my main point about people playing for prestige...we cant encourage it"
02:23:26 [-[A]-]Banshee: "im playing because i enjoy the game, ive been here a year and only a VA, must say something"
02:23:52 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I applaud you Banshee."
02:23:58 [~L~]Gideon: "Now, this killing game mentality is changing, slowly. I find that it is changing only amung those who spend alot of time in the MV..."
02:24:04 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "Heh dem general agrees with you"
02:24:10 [~L~]Coleen: "Alright then, Demorian.. what about implementing a new set of missions that can only be accomplished if you have more than ONE different type of ship in your group?"
02:24:16 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "we are having a heated discussion on what players play for in dark space now"
02:24:16 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "I play mostly for fun and lots of it. If I get pres while doing that... better yet!"
02:24:19 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "Agreed Gid"
02:24:29 [PB]tragicx: "I'm not a supply whore. I'm a supply theif. There's a difference. =)"
02:24:35 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Coleen, that is excellent"
02:24:36 [~L~]Coleen: "Perhaps missions that are only generated when you are IN a group?"
02:24:46 [~L~]Coleen: "How hard would that be to code?"
02:24:52 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "good idea"
02:24:53 [~L~]Coleen: "(has no idea)"
02:25:04 [-GTN-]Demorian: "but that doesnt mean that gain has to be different for each ship, it can still be equal even in group missions "
02:25:09 [PB]tragicx: "It's possible. I'll look into it."
02:25:10 [-[A]-]|2eason: "lol, yeah, and these new group missions only take prestige away, "
02:25:11 [-GTN-]Demorian: "and WHY AM I GETTING WHISPERS LIKE I AM FAUSTUS HIMSELF"
02:25:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "lol"
02:25:23 [Admin]Selvarian: "Well, it could be a no-brainer to a not-in-our-lifetime chance"
02:25:25 [-[A]-]Banshee: "Good idea, form the group,combat, trannys,bombers, supply, engy, the mission possibilities would be IMMENSE"
02:25:27 [PB]Smokey: "currently missions are only generated by ship hulls... not specific ships..."
02:25:47 [~L~]Coleen: "I felt like that the other day, Dem.. when Gid posted the K'Luth pics in General.. :laughs:"
02:25:50 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "DEMO! cause your the thorn in Faustus's side "
02:25:58 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I was kidding guys *pats Quill on the head*"
02:26:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Yes Griff, yes I am, and he knows damn well that I am hehe"
02:26:30 [-[A]-]|2eason: "brb"
02:26:34 [~L~]Coleen: "Anyway.. that's my best idea about how to make people want to group "
02:26:36 [~L~]Gideon: "I see you more like a pain in his rear..."
02:26:36 [Admin]Dr Evil: "and you got great feedback on them, didn't you? "
02:27:10 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "just a quick qestion"
02:27:16 [MUTED] -Space Ghost-: "."
02:27:20 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "does /team talk only to the people in your group?"
02:27:31 [Admin]Selvarian: "Unfortunately, this is food for thought during a Faustus game design meeting. Not much we can really address about it tonight."
02:28:00 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "double the muting power?"
02:28:07 [Admin]Selvarian: "Suffice it to say that grouping is a two-edged sword right now."
02:28:08 [~L~]Coleen: "Actually, Evil, there have been only 13 replies to that post.. I was hoping more folks would respond "
02:28:15 [-[A]-]Banshee: "lol it wont go red =P"
02:28:55 [-GTN-]Demorian: "..."
02:29:01 [MUTED] -Space Ghost-: "..."
02:29:09 [-[A]-]Banshee: "this is weird..."
02:29:13 [-GTN-]Demorian: "the focus of the chat room has suddenly REVERSED and shifted to the YELLOW icon of metallica."
02:29:18 [-GTN-]Demorian: "LOL"
02:29:47 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "hes not saying anything"
02:29:53 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "so i dont think it matters...."
02:29:59 [Admin]Selvarian: "Anyway... what sort of nasty issues does the MV have right now? Everyone seems to be on FA2 most of the time?"
02:30:09 [Admin]Dr Evil: "moving right along..."
02:30:17 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "yeah and its really hard to build nowadays...."
02:30:19 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "DISCOES, Stuck In Gates"
02:30:25 [~L~]Coleen: "I recieved a lot of complaints about random discos from ICC home today"
* [-GTN-]SirFoty whispered "Why does the kills/deaths are not added to the profile while teaming?"
02:30:55 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "had warren try to go into BD and he ended up in Sol some how...."
02:30:55 [Admin]Selvarian: "P'za has been having lots of gate-sticking issues"
02:31:02 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "going back to home gate constantly is annoying"
* [~L~]P`Zada Hutt is fat
02:31:28 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "i thoguth that one was interesting...."
02:31:29 [~L~]Gideon: "Thanks for the update, Pizza."
02:31:36 [MUTED] [-DD-]NightDragon: "LOL sorry i had to do that"
02:31:42 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "thats ok Hut we still like you ..sorta  "
02:32:02 [~L~]Coleen: "Hey now, I haven't drawn any fat K'Luth, P'Zada"
* [-[A]-]Banshee laughs at Pizza
02:32:16 [~L~]P`Zada Hutt: "hehe"
02:32:22 [PB]Smokey: "yeah it's annoying.. been stuck a few times... lucky i've been using only small ships lately so it's no so bad.. fustrating"
02:32:28 [Admin]Selvarian: "I've had a few people say that they are losing stuff from their storage again.. ships, parts, etc"
02:32:35 [~L~]Coleen: "I had an issue last night, actually"
* [~L~]P`Zada Hutt `s parents are here, hard to concentrate...
02:32:51 [-[A]-]Banshee: "personally ive stopped stocking items in storage, its not worth the risk"
* [-GTN-]TheGriffin points at [~L~]P`Zada Hutt and laughs hysterically
02:33:19 [~L~]Coleen: "yes, Selv, I was crossing a system boundry, and got a 'Your ship has been captured' message and it deleted the supply I was in, and everything I had in storage"
02:33:38 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "Oh and the systems just going down all together is being a problem"
02:33:40 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "your ship was captured"
02:33:42 [~L~]Coleen: "Gid can veify that too"
02:33:47 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "those funky pirates you know"
02:33:54 [~L~]Coleen: "That's what the message said, Skylander"
02:33:57 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "there invisible"
02:34:05 [Admin]Selvarian: "I think Faustus has some lingering privateering code in the game that occasionally gets activated."
02:34:16 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "and they have sneaky ways of capturing your ship and everything in your storage"
02:34:24 [~L~]Coleen: "Well, if he does, I found it last night "
02:34:30 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "you should go check your local pawn shop for your amjump drive....."
02:34:45 [~L~]Coleen: "Luckily, nothing I had in storage was modded, but you should probably be aware of it"
02:35:27 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "well this meeting is lively...."
02:35:48 [~L~]Coleen: "It was more of a pain than anything else since I was the supply in a bombing training mission, but I think it needs to be addressed"
02:36:07 [Admin]Selvarian: "OK. Any other nastiness that Faustus should be made aware of?"
02:43:28 [Admin]Tael: "[02:08:28 04/09/02] * Nojj whispered "Tael... I would like to discuss the cloaking ability of Gaifen. I feel it is a topic that needs to be officially addressed.""
02:36:34 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "Ok so right now in the MV the problems are the Discoes, Sticking in Gates and Systems going completly down some haveing to be reset to get back up"
02:36:56 [Admin]Selvarian: "..and loss of storage"
02:37:06 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Yea I've been eaten way too many times by those planets that suddenly decloak and fry me"
02:37:07 [PB]Smokey: "giafens cloaking?"
02:37:08 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "yeah"
02:37:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "*rolls eyes*"
02:37:12 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: ";)"
02:37:15 [~L~]Gideon: "I would think that those are the most pressing issues in the game right now..."
02:37:26 [Admin]Dr Evil: "yeah, they cloak as planets, everyone knows that..."
02:37:36 [Admin]Selvarian: "Well, at least for the MV"
* [PB]Praetorian winks suspiciously at [Admin]Dr Evil...
02:37:51 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "gotta run all RL calls"
02:38:02 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "later Lith"
02:38:03 [~L~]Coleen: "Take care, Lith"
* [-[A]-]|2eason slaps [-GTN-]Demorian upside the head with a Gaifen, cloaked as a planet, piloted by a Moderator!
02:38:40 [~L~]Gideon: "Bye Lith."
* [-GTN-]Demorian gives [-[A]-]|2eason an odd look.
02:39:06 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "ok next Topic?"
02:39:08 [-[A]-]|2eason: ":)"
02:39:22 [Admin]Selvarian: "* Pentara [GP] whispered "Sometimes when you enter a system, you cannot see any of the players in that system until you detect them with your own sensors. Missions are given on them (guard) and you can talk to them." "
02:39:34 [Admin]Selvarian: "Anyone have any info on this?"
02:39:42 [-[A]-]|2eason: "yeah"
02:39:45 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "I have had that happen"
02:40:04 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "thats farely common"
02:40:08 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "i thin kanyone"
02:40:11 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "think"
02:40:15 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "you cant see them till either you fly by or see them in camera view"
02:40:16 [~L~]P`Zada Hutt: "been happeneing forever..."
02:40:16 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "it happens to me all the time, most of the time the ships are far away"
02:40:20 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "happens a lot to me and other people "
02:40:32 [MUTED] [-DD-]Fornax: "I have not noticed the requirement to get a mission but have, numerous times, not noticed fellow faction members in the map until I 'met' them"
02:40:34 [Admin]Selvarian: "I think it is due to the proximity / fog-of-war code Faustus implemented to keep transfer down"
02:40:38 [-[A]-]|2eason: "I believe its part of the Only seeing the 30 nearest object code"
02:40:42 [-[A]-]|2eason: "yeah"
02:41:05 [~L~]Gideon: "ah, yes, the beloved camera mode..."
02:41:11 [Admin]Selvarian: "* Pentara [GP] whispered "You can even group with them if someone in a group with them you see, but they are shown as red icons and clicking on them does nothing. Doesnt target them." "
02:42:10 [Admin]Selvarian: "There's a big change afoot in the way the game servers are working, but I have no idea where it stands right now. I think it is going to take a while to implement."
02:42:29 [PB]Smokey: "yeah usually just find where they are at by talking and then use your camera by them... that should show them up.. but yeah it's alittle annoying sometimes"
02:42:51 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "especially in a fight"
02:42:54 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: ":("
02:43:03 [PB]tragicx: "Players: Have we noticed a problem jumping through gates? Seems harder to hit now?"
02:43:19 [MUTED] [-DD-]Fornax: "re: Gates. YES"
02:43:30 [-[A]-]|2eason: "thats partially because the jumpdrives were sped up"
02:43:38 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "heheh yes it is"
02:43:43 [-[A]-]|2eason: "you have to make sure your jump ends on the gate to go through, "
02:43:46 [PB]Smokey: "guess the collision code was never updated or something... wasn't F going to change it from ray to something else or whatever?"
02:50:51 [Admin]Tael: "Right now collision dection works by Sphere to Sphere, the change to jump speed has made it harder to detect, so Faustus is changing it to Sphere to Ray detection"
02:43:51 [Admin]Dr Evil: "yep, you can fly right through them now, it's the raw speed"
02:44:10 [PB]Praetorian: "Trag, that's due to Fausts collision code...It's a sphere-sphere collision model, and as Faust has stated, with the new speeds, it needs to be a Sphere-Ray collision."
02:44:26 [PB]tragicx: "Yes, I read that preat."
02:44:38 [PB]tragicx: "Just wanted to let them know we are aware."
02:44:55 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "getting slow prae =)"
02:45:04 [MUTED] [-DD-]NightDragon: "Thanks tragicx..."
02:45:13 [PB]Praetorian: "for good reason I might add."
02:45:22 [Admin]Dr Evil: "he's addressing it shortly"
02:46:20 [Admin]Selvarian: "OK. Next topic.."
02:46:39 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "????"
02:47:27 [Admin]Selvarian: "Forum mods, some of the forums are getting a little weedy.. I think they are about do for a fall weeding"
* [~L~]Coleen hands Selvarian a rake
02:47:48 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I'll do my suggestions duty"
* [PB]tragicx whips out the weed eater.
02:48:00 [-GTN-]Demorian: "*looks at the suggestions forum post count......and trembles profusely*"
* [-GTN-]Demorian gives [HWL]Hitman23 a noogie.
02:49:05 [Admin]Selvarian: "We really need to purge the PMF a bit too. It's getting a little hard to find anything in there"
02:56:23 [Admin]Tael: "We should make an archive for the PMF too"
02:49:18 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "agreed"
02:49:22 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: ":)"
02:49:35 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "a search function would help"
* [PB]Praetorian has been saying that for months, wonders be
02:49:41 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "lol"
02:56:45 [Admin]Tael: "and consider an upgrade to PHP so we can mass archive, one message at a time takes for ever"
02:49:47 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "but that greatly increases bandwith cost though"
02:57:42 [Admin]Tael: "the search is handled server side so it does not impact bandwidth, just cpu time"
02:50:43 [Admin]Selvarian: "Yeah, that is on my list. AFTER the current crop of projects."
02:58:17 [Admin]Tael: "i have been going and doing 1 page of a forum a day... taking forever"
* [PB]Praetorian hands Selv a scythe *
02:51:21 [Admin]Selvarian: "A player purge can be done, but will require a rewrite of the forum code to work."
02:51:23 [-GTN-]Demorian: "good old balance sheet"
02:51:37 [~L~]Coleen: "Mm.. on my front, I've just about finished inking in the second UGTO uniform sketch.. then I'll be scanning them, cleaning them up, colorizing 'em and sending them to Faustus for review.. that's all that's new for me.."
* [-GTN-]TheGriffin begins applauding [~L~]Coleen...
02:59:13 [Admin]Tael: "we need the purge before retail... "
02:52:19 [Admin]Selvarian: "Yeah, I agree."
* Pentara [GP] whispered "And give the active continuing players lower player numbers? =:-)~ Like @100?"
02:53:00 [Admin]Selvarian: "I'm planning on loading up the latest phpBB, and the current code, and working with the DS changes and coming up with something completely different that is more maintainable."
02:53:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "yay Selv! ^_^"
02:53:18 [PB]tragicx: "Sounds good selv."
02:53:20 [~L~]Coleen: "Right on"
02:53:26 [-GTN-]Demorian: "hip hip..."
02:53:36 [-GTN-]Demorian: "HURRAY! ^____^"
02:53:39 [Admin]Selvarian: "phpBB is a little too generic for our use; it's a one-size fits all, and has a lot of excess baggage that we don't need or use."
02:53:59 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "but keep this in mind, |2eason would not have been able to track down certain things if they werent in thier so a Archive would be the way to go"
02:54:12 [Admin]Selvarian: "User skinning, for example"
02:54:28 [PB]Praetorian: "In other words, you're pondering creating a tailor made code form for us?"
02:54:35 [PB]Smokey: "alrighty im going home now... be back here in a few..."
02:54:49 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "c ya later Smokey"
02:54:52 [Admin]Selvarian: "Well, we have plans to store all of the Player Management data into the database so it can be searched"
02:55:04 [Admin]Selvarian: "..and organized"
02:55:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I actually have to go guys, I have classes in the morning and need some sleep cuz i only got......2 hours last night"
02:55:18 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I will read up on the rest of the log later"
02:55:21 [Admin]Selvarian: "OK. Later, Dem"
02:55:25 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "c ya Demo"
02:55:26 [PB]tragicx: "later dem"
02:55:28 [~L~]Gideon: "Later, Demorian"
02:55:29 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Gooten Nighten."
02:55:37 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "night dem"
02:55:40 [~L~]Gideon: "Nacht..."
02:55:44 [PB]tragicx: "guten"
02:56:02 [MUTED] [*TS*]InterBorg: "May I ask If there will be Advantages to us players being players prior to retail ?"
02:56:27 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "hmmmmm"
03:03:41 [Admin]Tael: "you will have you points you already earned... so you will be higher rank"
02:56:50 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: ":)"
02:56:51 [Admin]Selvarian: "BRUCE WILLIS!"
02:56:58 [~L~]Gideon: "Yes, you will have your ranks and prestege rather than starting from scratch like the players that are buying it."
02:57:06 [Admin]Selvarian: "sorry.. just passed a brain cramp"
02:57:16 [-[A]-]|2eason: "back"
02:57:18 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "lol"
02:57:20 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "?"
02:57:22 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "lol Selv"
02:57:27 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "bruce willis plays dark space?"
02:57:36 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "hahaha"
* [PB]Praetorian stares at [Admin]Selvarian blankly.
02:57:50 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "he might "
02:57:54 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "he goes by the name Dr. Evil"
02:57:57 [Admin]Selvarian: "It's a long story."
02:58:18 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "we aren't going anywhrees...."
02:58:30 [Admin]Dr Evil: "I am....."
02:58:31 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "ok so Topic?"
02:58:34 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "and this meeting seems to be going pretty slow"
* [Nu-B]Kano whispered "Gauss guns?"
* [-GTN-]TheGriffin sends Big Bubba over to [-GTN-]SkyLander to quite him down
02:59:01 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: ":)"
03:06:14 [Admin]Tael: "Kano wants to know about Gauss Guns..."
02:59:08 [Admin]Selvarian: "ANYway. I don/t have any more pressing issues right now. There will be more later. Once I get out of this cram phase at work, I will have a bunch more things done and we can move on with project issues"
02:59:11 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "big bubba?"
* [Nu-B]Kano whispered "thanks! *hugs*"
02:59:35 [~L~]Gideon: "Okay, here is what you need to know: They stink, don't bother using them."
02:59:39 [~L~]Gideon: "Any more questions?"
02:59:42 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "lol"
02:59:51 [MUTED] [*TS*]InterBorg: "Pardon me. Will Retail players have to subscribe monthly. (Have you decided on a Payment/Subscription Schema? )"
02:59:54 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "[02:59:17 04/09/02] * [*TS*]evilwevil whispered "to many gates in one system could also be the problem for lag also to many planets being to clse to each other""
03:00:21 [-[A]-]|2eason: "InterBorg, If you get the retail, it comes with one free month, I believe"
03:00:29 [Admin]Selvarian: "Yep"
03:00:30 [-[A]-]|2eason: "I also think its like, $20 bucks...or so"
03:00:35 [~L~]Gideon: "As I understand it, the only change that is occuing is that people will have the option to purchase DarkSpace on a disk rather than downloading it."
03:00:36 [PB]tragicx: "Yes."
03:00:41 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "Then they pay like all do"
03:00:47 [PB]Praetorian: "Retail players will have the same optoins as you do, you simply get one free month..."
03:00:52 [~L~]Gideon: "19.95 retail"
03:00:53 [Admin]Selvarian: "You get a manual and a CD"
* [Nu-B]Kano whispered "my main concern with the Gauss guns is that while they have potential, they are ridiculously underpowered for their cost, and miss stationary targets nearly 75% of the time"
03:01:17 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "hehe Im buying a copy  "
03:01:19 [Admin]Selvarian: "It's basically another way of marketing the game."
03:01:29 [~L~]Gideon: "the CD is excellent for scaring away birds if you string it up by wire, and the manual has many uses, as it is paper..."
03:08:36 [Admin]Tael: "[03:01:14 04/09/02] * [Nu-B]Kano whispered "my main concern with the Gauss guns is that while they have potential, they are ridiculously underpowered for their cost, and miss stationary targets nearly 75% of the time""
* [~L~]Crownan whispered "Can we change the spawn at home gate on logon code to, say, spawn at a random gate in the last system you were in?"
* [-GTN-]SirFoty whispered "Are Dread jd going to stay as they are? too long to charge..."
03:01:54 [~L~]Coleen: "Help feed Faustus! Buy your copy TODAY!"
03:01:58 [PB]tragicx: "Here's a question, if I buy a copy, even though I'm already paying? Can I still get one month free? Or is only for new accounts?"
03:02:01 [MUTED] [*TS*]InterBorg: "I have a suggestion.. Perhaps it may provide more playability if we can purchase with our credits.. More Cargo Space and Slots... What do u think ?"
* [Nu-B]Kano whispered "the poor hit rate must be a bug. However, it seems that the Gauss guns could be significantly improved, to the point where their cost could be increased to 1000 or 2000 credits"
03:09:47 [Admin]Tael: "[03:02:27 04/09/02] * [Nu-B]Kano whispered "the poor hit rate must be a bug. However, it seems that the Gauss guns could be significantly improved, to the point where their cost could be increased to 1000 or 2000 credits""
03:02:44 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "I would think just new accounts"
03:03:05 [Admin]Selvarian: "Well, Gauss guns, to my knowledge, were a holdover from beta and weren't intended to be put back into play before they were "fixed"; they came to light primarily during the "Mod Orb" testing, and Faustus made them available again because people bugged him about it."
* [~L~]Crownan whispered "Oh, nm, I just remembered some systems dont have gates. Anyway, logging off some where far away and the logging back in at your home system is not very good for the game."
03:03:16 [Admin]Selvarian: "Same with IP Beams"
* You whispered to [~L~]Crownan : "that is changing with the new shipyard code, this spawn back at home is just in prepperation for that"
03:03:50 [MUTED] [-DD-]ViRGE: "IP Beams?"
03:03:51 [Admin]Selvarian: "Trag -> you are complicating the billing system. Stop that."
* [*TS*]Midnight whispered "i agree with him"
* You whispered to [~L~]Crownan : "the log off and go home was brought about because of players complaining about reappearing in now enemy controlled systems, this is under review"
03:04:13 [PB]tragicx: "Ok selv. =)"
03:04:17 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "we dont have IP beams though =)"
03:04:27 [MUTED] [*TS*]evilwevil: "yeah ive had to change cards 3 times now"
* [Nu-B]Kano whispered "is there any chance the Gauss guns will stay? It is true that they arent really necessary, but they could be efficient small-ship killers for cruisers and the like"
03:12:04 [Admin]Tael: "03:02:01 [MUTED] [*TS*]InterBorg: "I have a suggestion.. Perhaps it may provide more playability if we can purchase with our credits.. More Cargo Space and Slots... What do u think ?" <-- there is plans for economy that will make credits more important... such as when you order a ship"
03:05:10 [Admin]Selvarian: "Yeah, he didn't put EVERYTHING back into the game.. QSBs, for example"
03:12:15 [Admin]Tael: "[03:04:28 04/09/02] * [Nu-B]Kano whispered "is there any chance the Gauss guns will stay? It is true that they arent really necessary, but they could be efficient small-ship killers for cruisers and the like""
* [-GTN-]TheGriffin smiles at [~L~]Gideon...
03:06:11 [~L~]Gideon: "They are highly efficient, if you have about half an hour to plink away at a ship. As long as it's not a K'luth ship. then you can't damage it before it regenerates..."
03:06:30 [Admin]Selvarian: "Since we're fielding questions from the players, I'm gonna set the room to normal, and let everyone discuss things. Keep it civil and (somewhat) orderly."
* Room is no longer moderated...
* [Admin]Selvarian set the room to unmoderated...
* [*TS*]evilwevil whispered "make the guass gun into achain gun like effect that would make them lethel"
* [*TS*]Midnight blinks
03:06:56 [-GTN-]SirFoty: "question"
03:06:58 [Nu-B]Kano: "That's exactly the problem- even four gauss guns do almost nothing"
03:06:59 [-DD-]ViRGE: "The IP Beam, what is it exactly?"
03:07:24 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "virge the IP beam was in beta"
03:07:26 [-GTN-]GeneralD: "Question of Faustus 8/5 post about adding flag planets to the MV ---stil in the works???"
03:07:27 [Admin]Selvarian: "It's just a weak beam that used to be on some of the old ICC ships back in closed beta, I believe."
03:07:28 [*TS*]InterBorg: "Also. Im going on holiday in 2 weeks, (for 2 weeks) which means that I will only get half a months play for a full months subscription. Is it Possible to Suspend an account until resturn ?"
03:07:34 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "I like the idea of being able to buy more slots for youre ship, but that would create UBBER DICTOR DREADS possibly"
03:07:46 [Nu-B]Kano: "in any case- it's not a pressing issue- but it would be nice to see it improved. Thanks for listening, all."
03:14:58 [Admin]Tael: "03:06:39 04/09/02] * [*TS*]evilwevil whispered "make the guass gun into achain gun like effect that would make them lethel""
03:07:55 [PB]Smokey: "back"
03:07:56 [PB]Arzon: "I had 4 gauss guns on an ICC sensor scout. It did 2% damage to heavy armor. So the only good thing about them, is they look cool when they fire."
03:08:13 [PB]tragicx: "Interborg, unfortunately I don't think so."
03:08:40 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "Hey, does anybody know just how many gadgets are out there that aren't available? Like the QSB and the Ion Cannon?"
03:08:41 [Admin]Selvarian: "No, there will not be any flag planets added to the MV. There may be missions that are based on taking "temporary" systems, but the MV cannot be "won" like Scenarios, so flag planets don't make any sense in the MV"
03:08:42 [~L~]Crownan: "Can we turn off the "Clients in system" code in the MV?"
03:08:43 [*TS*]Midnight: "hmm.. chain gun.. not bad.. but youd run out of ammo fast lol"
03:08:52 [*TS*]evilwevil: "say like maybe 60 rounds pre minute"
03:08:53 [VA]metallica-: "maby limit the slots u can buy w/ credits."
03:08:59 [PB]tragicx: "Jimmy, quite a bit."
03:09:05 [PB]tragicx: "Death Beam is one. =)"
03:09:13 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "-_-"
03:09:17 [NET]NETCommand: "so after talking and talking whats going on with the change"
03:09:24 [Admin]Selvarian: "No, Death Beam is the Crystal Entity's weapon"
03:09:34 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "oh, hehe"
03:09:38 [*TS*]kalias1029: "id like to see a machine gun time wepon"
03:09:40 [Admin]Dr Evil: "no, it's mine!!!"
03:09:40 [PB]tragicx: "Yes, but it's still out there."
03:09:40 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "Thats the actual name? lol"
03:09:40 [-GTN-]SirFoty: "out of topic. I think that JD charge time are way too much for Dreads, they cant figth anything exept dreads."
03:09:48 [Admin]Dr Evil: "I own the death beam!!!"
03:09:54 [PB]tragicx: "I could drop one in the Orb long ago."
03:09:55 [NET]NETCommand: "i was here the hole time and did not no a word of it"
03:09:58 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "lol Jimmy thiers a Mouth Beam "
03:10:00 [*TS*]evilwevil: "who is to say it has to be live ammo and not like hmm energy weopon"
03:10:01 [PB]tragicx: "Couldn't equip it though."
03:10:09 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "for Gaifens"
* [-GTN-]The_G has entered the room...
03:10:19 [VA]metallica-: "well the ideea would be 2 get ppl 2 fly other ships than dreds.."
03:10:24 [-GTN-]GeneralD: "Selvarian---Then how do we win in the MV --whats the point of that part of the game???"
03:10:27 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "I mean, gadgets that aren't used anywhere"
03:10:35 [Nu-B]Kano: "One of the gauss gun suggestions was to shoot off five rounds per salvo, like a railgun or particle cannon, while keeping the damage per round the same"
03:11:01 [~L~]Gideon: "you wipe out all the enemy systems."
03:11:04 [*TS*]kalias1029: "id like to just fly a cruser i dont like dreads they like trying to hit asia with a nuke not hard to hit at all"
03:11:07 [Admin]Selvarian: "Well, that's an interesting question, GeneralD. It's supposed to be kinda like the realms in Dark Age of Camelot."
03:11:09 [Nu-B]Kano: "For that I might pay 1000 or even 2000 credits"
03:11:11 [PB]Arzon: "Are there any plans to change the stock ICC Combat Dread? It's a topic that pops up in discussions and/or the forum on a near-daily basis."
03:11:12 [*TS*]InterBorg: "Better Idear about slots and cargo space.. is to make the price of adding each.. Almost exponential, (just Like in Elite), that way it has to be done progressively"
03:11:14 [~L~]Gideon: "You extinguish their fire from the stars, that is how you win."
03:11:15 [~L~]Coleen: "It's happend before"
03:11:18 [-GTN-]GeneralD: "So the poit is to cap all the planets in the MV??"
03:11:25 [Admin]Selvarian: "No one can ever really completely take over one of the realms."
03:11:35 [~L~]Gideon: "When your enemies' homes are burned and their people are crushed, then you have won."
03:11:40 [*TS*]Midnight: "would be nice to see a dinamic ammo system for large class ships vs smaller though.. dreads have a higher ability to hold munitions.. well should"
03:11:40 [~L~]Coleen: "Were you here when the K'Luth took over most of the MV?"
03:11:54 [PB]tragicx: "Just to get a census here, who would like to see new ship introduced?"
03:12:00 [Nu-B]Kano: "@ Arzon, good topic. Can we discuss this in more depth? People?"
03:12:00 [-DD-]NightDragon: "and took over all of icc space?"
03:12:08 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "MEEEEEEEEEE"
03:12:11 [Admin]Selvarian: "Yeah, that is how it CAN work. However, the MetaVerse is designed to be persistent, and not reset"
* [PB]Praetorian raises his hand
03:12:14 [*TS*]InterBorg: "I would"
03:12:19 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "Answering Tragicx =)"
* [-DD-]NightDragon raises his hand
03:12:23 [-GTN-]GeneralD: "So when the planets are caped the NV resets and we start over??"
03:12:25 [PB]Arzon: "New ships are good... but... lets fix some of the old.. like the Combat Dread"
03:12:27 [-GTN-]The_G: "i would"
03:12:28 [*TS*]evilwevil: "i would get rid of bombers they are pretty much obsolite"
03:12:32 [Nu-B]Kano: "Agreed!"
03:12:36 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "I want new ships!"
03:12:40 [PB]tragicx: "I agree arzon."
03:12:52 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "ICC Pocket Carrier - Destroyer with 2 fighter bays ^_^"
03:12:52 [*TS*]InterBorg: "If the MV were persistant we would not loose our ships and FIttings"
03:12:58 [PB]tragicx: "Well, ok."
03:13:13 [PB]Arzon: "That's cool, Jimmy."
03:13:14 [*TS*]Midnight: "ohhh..*thought of something good* At the moment 1 drone bay can reload 10 ships from empty JDs or hardly even one dread from low hull.. The drone count should be increased to make supply ships more uselful again.. "
03:13:27 [Admin]Selvarian: "Because the MetaVerse is in a state of design flux between Scenarios and the completed version that Faustus sees in his dreams, it has conflicting ideals."
03:13:42 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "lol"
03:13:52 [*TS*]Midnight: "even 2 drone bays cant do 2 dreads from 1 hull"
03:13:57 [*TS*]evilwevil: "i say get rid of gates in mv"
03:14:12 [-GTN-]GeneralD: "Well in the next several months palestar will get some serious compitition..."
03:14:22 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "GIVE DREADS MANEUVERABILITY OF STATIONS =P"
03:14:23 [Admin]Selvarian: "In some ways, yes"
03:14:24 [*TS*]kalias1029: "yha we alrdy got enough fuel to make the jumps"
03:14:31 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "Just fanning the flames ^_^"
03:14:39 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "NOOOOOOOO Jimmy"
03:14:45 [*TS*]InterBorg: "I think that slots and cargo space Additions would make this game Far More Adaptable to Individual players and would be a sure winner.. especially if you can also Buy Addional Turret mounts"
* [~L~]Coleen grabs [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}, stuffs them in a storage container, seals it, slaps on a lablel marked ICC Toxic Waste Disposal, and puts them on the next tranny to Sol.
03:14:53 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "lol"
03:14:54 [-GTN-]Kortoz: "have to go. g night all"
03:14:57 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "paradigm"
03:15:07 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "c ya Kort"
03:15:08 [Nu-B]Kano: "night "
03:15:09 [-GTN-]SirFoty: "nite kotoz"
03:15:13 [Admin]Selvarian: "SWG, EvE, and E&B are considered competition in some ways. They are RPGs, however."
03:15:15 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "Ooh, here's an idea"
03:15:24 [-GTN-]The_G: "nite"
03:15:28 [PB]Praetorian: "I think the K`luth need MAD mobility...being a faction that faces their enemies facing them, with so few FULL mounts, and so MANY foreward mounts, turn times need to be cut drastically."
03:15:32 [Admin]Selvarian: "DS will not become a RPG, most likely"
03:15:43 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "paradign? what they got comeing?"
03:15:47 [-DD-]NightDragon: "well right now those games are very well known, Darkspace isnt"
* [~L~]Crownan raises his hand.
03:15:47 [PB]Smokey: "btw there is a certain amount of slots you can have in a ship.. 32... anything after that it starts to make problems..."
03:15:52 [-GTN-]GeneralD: "I think we have redesign its gaming paradigm or westwood will clean our clock"
03:15:57 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "not paradign"
03:16:02 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "paradigm"
03:16:03 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "DOUBLE the hull points on Dreads, but reduce their maneuverability to that of Stations"
03:16:14 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "Make the battle come to the Dread, instead of the Dread coming to the battle"
03:16:18 [Nu-B]Kano: "I like the small player base of DS though"
03:16:20 [*TS*]evilwevil: "westwood lol"
03:16:21 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "If you know what I mean"
03:16:21 [PB]tragicx: "Just to let the player base know, I am currently working on about 8 or 9 new missions. Including pirate factions that attack."
03:16:26 [-DD-]NightDragon: "so i think what you may wanna do it start advertizeing with PCgammer and such other places...."
03:16:34 [Admin]Selvarian: "Go ahead Crownan"
03:16:34 [-DD-]ViRGE: "Woot!"
03:16:36 [Admin]Dr Evil: "Jimmy... no"
03:16:51 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "moeny nightdragon"
03:16:53 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "What's so bad about that?"
03:16:54 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "all about money =)"
03:16:58 [PB]Arzon: "Any comments on changing the Combat Dread?"
03:16:59 [-DD-]ViRGE: "Night, that costs money, Faust doesn't have any money"
03:17:08 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "no moeny = no advertisement"
03:17:12 [*TS*]Midnight: "the thing with you guys.. is you make the battle.. your normaly charging foward..maybe a tactic to cover your buts could bemade.. I know i have tactics to fend you guys off "
* [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum} sighs
03:17:16 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "of course i can't type tonight"
03:17:23 [*TS*]evilwevil: "has any one ever been on westwood latly there player support sucks"
03:17:23 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "My comments are lost in the tide of chit-chat...."
03:17:28 [~L~]Crownan: "Thanks Selv: I just wanted to know if the Clients in system reporting can be turned off in MV. That would allow covert type operations, and force factions to patrol their territory."
03:17:29 [-DD-]NightDragon: "unfourtantly its kidna of a both wayt thing "
03:17:29 [-DD-]ViRGE: "Change the CD; if you love us you'll change the CD"
03:17:42 [-GTN-]GeneralD: "We need more that a shooting game -- the politics concept, the trading and business model that the game had earlier"
03:17:48 [-DD-]NightDragon: "lol virge =)"
03:18:06 [Admin]Dr Evil: "it's in the works General"
03:18:12 [Admin]Selvarian: "Prolly won't happen until the scale and scope of the metaverse is significantly increased."
03:18:27 [PB]Arzon: "[03:18:00 04/09/02] * [-GTN-]The_G whispered "what about a missle dread for ugto and a carier dread for icc""
03:18:29 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "but selv "
03:18:34 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "General talk to Tael "
03:18:41 [~L~]Gideon: "yes, it's been in the works for months."
03:18:46 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "that point is moot if we dont have the player base to support a significantly increased MV"
03:18:47 [PB]Arzon: "That's a damn good idea."
03:18:57 [-GTN-]GeneralD: "I thnke we need to focus on those isues and stop working on how many lasers ore on which dred"
03:19:27 [~L~]Gideon: "No, that is increasing the ammount of samness between the factions. They are barely any differnet as it is right now..."
03:19:29 [Admin]Dr Evil: "yeah, lets make all the factions identical so there is no differences at all...."
03:19:37 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "General like they said thats been in the works for months"
03:19:42 [PB]Arzon: "I think he meant swap them"
03:19:44 [~L~]Crownan: "Ok, I just think it detracts from the game if all the enemy has to do is click around the Nav map to find out where you are."
03:19:53 [*TS*]Midnight: "ATM the issues are more important.. I can deal with the worthless scrapmetal that the CD is .. and how underprotected the BD and CC is for the time being ^_^"
03:19:53 [PB]Smokey: "no bob there should just be 1 ship we all can only pilot.. )"
03:19:54 [PB]Arzon: "Give the ICC the carrier dread (since they have the carrier cruiser)"
03:20:18 [Admin]Selvarian: "Sky; it's not moot, because you don't understand what I am saying"
03:20:30 [~L~]Crownan: "Kind of goes against the "Fog of War" concept."
03:20:32 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "Hey Tael can you give the players some insight on what may be comeing?"
03:20:34 [*TS*]InterBorg: "Perhaps as a sweetner for all us beta subscribers, you could provide us with a special ship in each Race, that only we can access !! ?"
03:20:37 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "could you elaborate on it then =)"
03:21:02 [PB]tragicx: "I'll do that grif. Lots of new players."
03:21:03 [~L~]Gideon: "Beta subscriber?"
03:21:17 [Admin]Selvarian: "Planet sizes increased; distances increased ("scale"), more systems as needed, but with more things to do ("scope"), like the diplomacy system and places to explore"
03:21:20 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "IB youre not a Beta subscriber"
03:21:32 [~L~]Gideon: "You arn't beta subscribers. You just didn't buy the game in a box rather than download it. That is the only difference."
03:21:32 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "Could somebody Moderate again? Its getting chaotic in here"
* [*TS*]Midnight wonders when they are going to get tired of the chatter and throw us out.. so they can get on with thier work.. *laughs*
* [~L~]Coleen doesnt see a Beta badge in IBs profile..
03:22:00 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "but with that selv we should have something populating the servers"
03:22:02 [-DD-]NightDragon: "thats sounds like a good idea........ make it some huge post in general or moderator feedback and lock it so there isnt 100 commesnts saying good idea bad idea etc"
03:22:07 [*TS*]InterBorg: "yea.. i thought pre-retail, public testing was classified in development circles as beta "
03:22:10 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "to be able to interact more"
03:22:15 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "Hey, I'm a REGULAR player asking for somebody to Moderate, come on!"
03:22:17 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "right now the MV lacks players"
03:22:18 [~L~]Gideon: "Downloading the game will still be an option, even after a retail box goes to the shelves."
03:22:23 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "granted"
03:22:32 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "sometimes it is populated by a lot of people"
03:22:34 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "but not all the time"
03:22:36 [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "MODERATE ALREADY"
03:22:44 [*TS*]InterBorg: "yea i can hardly keep up"
03:22:45 [PB]Praetorian: "Interborg, the game is already retail...we're talking about the NEW boxed persion release of the game."
03:22:47 [Admin]Dr Evil: "we're already retail, been that way since last year"
* [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum} @17308 has been muted by [-GTN-]TheGriffin...
03:22:55 [~L~]Coleen: "InterBorg, we're technically already in retail"
03:22:55 [Admin]Selvarian: "DS is actually in a released state; the "retail" part is just another marketing angle"
03:22:56 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: ":)"
03:22:56 [~L~]Gideon: "This isn't pre-retail public testing. That was last year."
03:23:01 [*TS*]InterBorg: "lol ok"
* [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum} @17308 has been unmuted by [-GTN-]TheGriffin...
* Room is now moderated...
* [PB]tragicx set the room to moderated...
03:23:25 [~L~]Gideon: "This is reatail, we just are putting a box on the shelves. Marketing in changing that is all."
03:23:27 [MUTED] [TK]Admiral Jimmy {Continuum}: "Thank you! =)"
03:23:28 [MUTED] [*TS*]InterBorg: "my mistake... u were talking about "before retail" earlier"
03:23:51 [~L~]Gideon: "It's an easy way to divide the pre and post box eras...&
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Tael
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Joined: July 03, 2002
Posts: 3695
From: San Francisco Bay Area
| Posted: 2002-09-03 22:51
03:24:09 [~L~]Coleen: "You make it sound like Star Wars, Gideon.."
03:24:20 [~L~]Gideon: "how so?"
03:24:25 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "sorry gtg afk be back asap"
03:24:38 [Admin]Selvarian: "OK. Anyway. I think we have covered all the open topics. If anyone wants to bring up anything else, head to the forums. Don't forget that Mod Feedback is for good comments as well as rebukes."
03:24:49 [~L~]Coleen: "Like the 'Pre Episode 1 Era' when all was new and shiny.. and no JarJar Binks.. "
03:24:50 [~L~]Gideon: "Wow, only three words in that sentance...."
03:25:58 [MUTED] [PB]Arzon: "Selv: You're doing alot of balancing issues we've heard... are there any plans to alter the stock loadout on the Combat Dread?"
03:26:12 [PB]Praetorian: "Yes Arzon."
03:26:14 [~L~]Gideon: "Balance issues arn't on the table right now."
03:26:24 [~L~]Gideon: "They will be eventually, I hope."
03:33:36 [Admin]Tael: "Open potion of meeting ended, now moving to closed meeting all staff follow"
03:26:42 [MUTED] [*TS*]InterBorg: "well.. I do think that this has been a good session. "
03:26:42 [Admin]Selvarian: "I'm not providing specific changes to anything; the balance model is just a tool for Faustus to use to analyze the balance of the game."
03:26:59 [Admin]Selvarian: "Thanks for coming, everyone!"
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