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Moderator's Meeting 003 |
Dwarden
Admiral
CHIMERA
Joined: June 07, 2001
Posts: 1072
From: Czech Republic
|  Posted: 2001-10-15 14:59
Joining 'Moderator Meeting'...([ C `] Dwarden)
[ C `] Dwarden has entered the room...([ C `] Dwarden)
18:01:46 Creeper: "I agree with Evil Bob, sometimes its hard to get everyone to go in together though"
[ C `] Dwarden is back from away ...([ C `] Dwarden)
18:01:50 [Evil]Evil Bob: "it's OK capt, I'll be your friend  "
18:01:54 [PS]Faustus: "http://www.darkspace.net/en/manuf.htm"
[ C `] Dwarden says "Hi ALL" ([ C `] Dwarden)
18:02:37 [el33t]captnsmooth: "What are those, Faustus?"
18:02:39 [Evil]Disgruntled Doug: "is it okay if I listen in?"
18:02:55 [MoA]Bumblebee: "good link"
18:03:00 [PS]Faustus: "Some more background on DS.... "
18:03:04 [-Fed-]Loreman: "hi all"
18:03:06 [BIS]BIOnicman: "heya"
18:03:15 [el33t]captnsmooth: "What is with the yellows?"
18:03:37 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "nice"
18:03:41 [BIS]BIOnicman: "soon to be mods ?"
18:03:51 [el33t]captnsmooth: "*shrugs*"
18:03:55 [PS]Faustus: "Those of you, if you didn't now, goto the english side... I've added some more content to the DS web site.."
[eXS]Gladi has entered the room...([eXS]Gladi)
[eXS]Gladi greets all ([eXS]Gladi)
18:04:06 [Evil]Disgruntled Doug: "naw, just want to listen if that's okay"
18:04:08 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Faust: 1 quick thing on the website."
18:04:15 [BIS]BIOnicman: "a hole lot  "
18:04:18 [PS]Faustus: "Yellow, is fine..."
18:04:27 [BIS]BIOnicman: "been reading all afternoon"
18:04:34 [el33t]captnsmooth: "The Navigation Bar is a little cut off, you might want to make a scroll bar in that frame."
18:04:35 [MoA]Bumblebee: "wait a mom capns"
[eXS]Gladi greets all ([eXS]Gladi)
18:04:43 [GER]DrMud: "greetings"
18:04:47 [MoA]FrankySZ: "hi Gladi"
[eXS]Dead-Eye waves to [eXS]Gladi...([eXS]Dead-Eye)
[GER]Samweis has entered the room...([GER]Samweis)
18:04:56 [GER]Samweis: "hi"
18:04:56 [Evil]Evil Bob: "ah I see, the web site is IE only  "
[eXS]Dead-Eye waves to [GER]DrMud...([eXS]Dead-Eye)
18:05:00 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Sorry, just needed to get that out."
[eXS]Hydronix waves to [eXS]Gladi...([eXS]Hydronix)
18:05:07 [ C `] Dwarden: "faustus history need change"
18:05:11 [ C `] Dwarden: "add 10 years"
18:05:12 [GER]DrMud: "hi sam"
18:05:15 [PS]Faustus: "heh..."
18:05:17 [BIS]BIOnicman: "1 ruel lets make this meeting emote free plz"
18:05:20 [eXS]Hydronix: "hi sam"
[GER]Samweis waves to [GER]DrMud...([GER]Samweis)
18:05:32 [ C `] Dwarden: "2001 political system on earth is still in fragments"
18:05:33 [eXS]Hydronix: "ok"
18:05:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "2002 3rd world war"
[GER]Samweis waves to [eXS]Hydronix...([GER]Samweis)
18:05:50 [PS]Faustus: "yeah, might need to update that... "
18:05:55 [eXS]Hydronix: ":)"
18:05:57 [ C `] Dwarden: "2003 world wide peace"
18:06:12 [PS]Faustus: "@dwarden... yeah, under islamic state... "
18:06:12 [ C `] Dwarden: "2004 earth heal from lost of 3 billions of people"
18:06:20 [=USO=]Atlan: "hi"
18:06:20 [eXS]Gladi: "lol"
18:06:21 [GER]Samweis: ":)"
18:06:34 [ C `] Dwarden: "2005 earth federation established"
18:06:40 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "hi atlan"
18:06:43 [Evil]Evil Bob: "I don't know, it may be that the islamic state gets wiped out in the next year..."
18:07:00 [=USO=]Atlan: "hi dead"
Selvarian has entered the room...(Selvarian)
Selvarian greets all on the planet below from his orbiting HQ.(Selvarian)
18:07:09 [el33t]captnsmooth: "This history seems a little quick..."
18:07:14 [ C `] Dwarden: "all in islam speak about tolerance ...but why is nothing different islam tolerated?"
Selvarian greets all on the planet below from his orbiting HQ.(Selvarian)
18:07:18 [el33t]captnsmooth: "2002 WW3, then next year world peace?"
18:07:18 [el33t]captnsmooth: "2002 WW3, then next year world peace?"
18:07:28 [el33t]silentdeth: "2006 federation annouces darkspace will be required training for piliots"
18:07:40 [ C `] Dwarden: "capt peace after 2/3 of humans die in war"
18:07:45 [PS]Faustus: "hehe..."
18:07:59 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "hmm"
18:08:03 [BIS]BIOnicman: "actuly brings me to a point is religion based clans allowed in this game like jihad1 , matters of islam , the crusarder of god etc "
18:08:03 [PS]Faustus: "K... enough politics... wonder were sunshine is ?"
18:08:06 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Hm so in 1 year, 2/3 of earths population is annihilated?"
18:08:09 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Still doesn't make sense."
18:08:12 [PS]Faustus: "did he say he wasn't coming?"
18:08:13 Selvarian: "sunshine running late?"
18:08:16 [eXS]Gladi: "hm right where is he?"
18:08:22 [ C `] Dwarden: "any amount usage of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons result in lost of millions or billions of people"
18:08:22 [MoA]Bumblebee: "im wondering too"
18:08:40 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "even in ICQ he is off"
18:08:45 [ C `] Dwarden: "actually we can anihilate whole earth in 35 minutes"
18:08:44 [Evil]Evil Bob: "well with today's nuclear arsonnal, we could remove 2/3 of the world's population in a matter of hours..."
18:08:45 [MoA]Bumblebee: "he was not telling me something else"
18:08:47 [eXS]Gladi: "he want to talk about cheater i think"
18:09:00 [PS]Faustus: "oh well... he'll remember soon ..."
18:09:07 [PS]Faustus: "so lets continue.."
18:09:13 [ C `] Dwarden: "as trigger fire 1 salve of long range missiles from somewhere"
18:09:29 [ C `] Dwarden: "strikeback will produce domino effect"
18:09:32 [eXS]Hydronix: "one question"
18:09:42 [eXS]Hydronix: "what about the mute?"
18:09:42 [GER]DrMud: "*sigh*"
18:09:45 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Intersesting theory on war."
18:09:48 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "ok lets concentrate on our problems now"
18:09:50 [PS]Faustus: "Firstly, congrats to all mods... nobody has been kicked or banned for trivial reasons this week... atleast I've gotten no emails."
18:09:59 Selvarian: "OK. I posted a list of issues in the moderator forum. Do we want to use that list?"
18:09:59 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "u can discuss that later"
18:10:09 [GER]Samweis: "hehe"
18:10:12 [GER]DrMud: "lol"
18:10:52 [PS]Faustus: "Second, let's discuss cheating... or what everyone sees as exploits... keeping in mind, once we release, PS will run all ladder servers, except those servers we consider trusted... no guidlines have been set for trusted servers as of yet."
18:11:30 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Someone better first explain what cheating has been going on first to make it clear...cus I'm not clear.. "
18:11:47 [ C `] Dwarden: "User which is using mistake in program or 2nd party util to get advantage agaisnt normal user is cheater"
18:11:48 [PS]Faustus: "me neighter... I thought we had most of the exploits under control"
18:11:58 [ C `] Dwarden: "cheater must be punished w/o mercy"
18:12:03 [eXS]Gladi: "i told it sun and send him a shot and the debug.mis "
18:12:19 Selvarian: "..or utilizing a known exploit to gain unfair advantage?"
18:12:35 [BIS]BIOnicman: "cheating is to easy make a 8/8 server turn ballance off then make sure to kick anyone else that the ones you cheat with into the server"
18:12:52 [el33t]captnsmooth: "So what are we discussing, the current exploits, or how to deal with them?"
18:12:56 DoomDragon: "You know faustus that we still had no time to discuss the exploits "
18:13:02 [Evil]Evil Bob: "well, that will be taken care of by the PS servers Bio"
18:13:02 [PS]Faustus: "@bio... yeah, like I've said, those won't be allowed to run ladder in release... "
18:13:10 Selvarian: "Games *will* have exploits. Those that choose to use them after being told not to should be punished."
18:13:11 [GER]Samweis: "it should be possible to see players on server for moderators"
18:13:14 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... let's discuss them now then..."
18:13:30 [BIS]BIOnicman: "2 accounts login ?"
18:13:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "DD yes i'm exploit hunter too "
18:13:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "i'm sure there will be possible buy 2 accounts"
18:14:00 DoomDragon: "i think its better after the meeting, it would take to much time now"
18:14:00 [el33t]captnsmooth: "I agree with Selvarian"
18:14:03 [ C `] Dwarden: "2 diff credit cards eneded"
18:14:17 [=USO=]Atlan: "or a autobalance like in CS could be nice where the best player is taken from the side with to much players to the side with lesser players (in our case the player with the highest rank)"
18:14:26 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "no DD it the topic now so start."
18:14:47 [ C `] Dwarden: "speak now ..."
18:14:56 DoomDragon: "k"
18:14:58 [PS]Faustus: "@atlan... balance takes in account ranks, not number of players..."
18:15:11 [ C `] Dwarden: "how you want close usage of 10 friends in clan ?"
18:15:19 [BIS]BIOnicman: "should take the bages into it to"
18:15:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "if u made metaverse clan = yes ...then its easy use another clan to advance"
18:15:40 [PS]Faustus: "@bio... ouch"
18:15:46 DoomDragon: "One exploit is firing at the nme who is repaired by many depots....you can do this with a friend on the other faction near 2 close planets"
[PS]sunshine has entered the room...([PS]sunshine)
18:15:57 DoomDragon: "you get ship damage fast"
18:16:01 [GER]Samweis: "hi sun "
18:16:04 [ C `] Dwarden: "DD classic advance "
[MoA]Soul132 begrüßt [PS]sunshine([MoA]Soul132)
18:16:06 [eXS]Hydronix: "hi sun"
18:16:08 [PS]sunshine: "sorry for beeing to late"
18:16:10 [BIS]BIOnicman: "yes ouch but i see this as a problem with current rank/ladder system"
18:16:11 [MoA]Bumblebee: "hokka sun"
18:16:15 [PS]sunshine: "heya all"
18:16:16 DoomDragon: "best for clans "
18:16:21 [MoA]FrankySZ: "hi sun"
18:16:24 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... K"
18:16:21 [MoA]FrankySZ: "hi sun"
18:16:24 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... K"
18:16:21 [MoA]FrankySZ: "hi sun"
18:16:24 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... K"
18:16:41 [ C `] Dwarden: "DD or 4 supply ships 2 fighting 3 each side"
18:16:49 [Evil]Evil Bob: "that will be taken care again by the PS only DS servers"
18:16:54 [ C `] Dwarden: "thats easy to advance too"
18:16:53 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... I think that if we disallow players of the same clan ever joining a different faction, then this might help some.."
18:16:59 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "right, old solution: request to depots and they only work with no enemy around"
18:17:08 [Evil]Disgruntled Doug: "sounds like the major problem is with people cooperating"
18:17:15 [BIS]BIOnicman: "what about back to the cheat topic we are moving to the ballance issiue"
18:17:19 [PS]Faustus: "A change which I'm alreadying thinking about... basically, if you join a clan that is ICC, you can never join UGTO.."
18:17:18 [ C `] Dwarden: "yes ..."
18:17:23 DoomDragon: "I think it would be good to loose some prestige by getting hull damage...."
18:17:29 [GER]Samweis: "@spirit: but for the non-cheating it wouldnt be so good "
18:17:33 [Evil]Disgruntled Doug: "what happens when you get two clans cooperating and taking over a server for "clan training""
18:17:38 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
18:17:44 DoomDragon: "well, you could leave your clan to level up and join later"
18:17:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "Faustus did u noticed my idea about different rank ladders for each faction ?"
18:17:53 [BIS]BIOnicman: "lets folloow the list salvina made just to keep the thred"
18:17:54 [GER]Samweis: "@faustus: never, on metaverse or all servers?"
18:17:58 [ C `] Dwarden: "so if u want be fleet admiral for UGTO"
18:17:56 [PS]Faustus: "I've been thinking ships lost might need to happen while your gettting damaged.."
18:18:04 [ C `] Dwarden: "u are still midshipman in ICC"
18:18:06 [eXS]Hydronix: "but what about training?"
18:18:19 [eXS]Hydronix: "could you turn it off if the ladder is off?"
18:18:29 DoomDragon: "jep faustus, but then there should be no big prestige loss once you die"
18:18:41 [PS]sunshine: "i prefer dwardens way with different ranks for each faction"
18:18:45 DoomDragon: "since you already got prestige loss for 99 percent "
18:18:48 [el33t]captnsmooth: "This sounds more like suggestions to improve the game..."
18:18:48 Selvarian: "Well, we are going to get to the point where you will have to play PERFECTLY to gain any prestige, if we are not careful."
18:18:49 [PS]Faustus: "That wouldn't apply to tutorial or combat servers.. "
18:18:54 [ C `] Dwarden: "6 badges"
18:19:05 [eXS]Hydronix: "and servers with ladder off please"
18:19:06 [ C `] Dwarden: "copper, bronze, silver, gold, platinum, diamond"
18:19:12 [eXS]Gladi: "HEY WHATS ABOUT CHEAT TOPIC?"
18:19:14 [GER]Samweis: "ok"
18:19:28 [BIS]BIOnicman: "what about back to the cheat topic we are moving to the ballance issiue"
18:19:29 Selvarian: "Yes, let's stick to the topic at hand."
18:19:32 [BIS]BIOnicman: "lets folloow the list salvina made just to keep the thred"
18:19:32 [PS]Faustus: "@selvarian... I think the lost prestige would be low for getting damaged... if we decided to go that route.."
18:19:34 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Guys, we can post these ideas in the suggestions forum."
18:19:37 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "but this prestige loss for hull loss is hard for newbie, so let that only activate from lets say Lt. comm. on"
18:19:48 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... has the floor"
18:19:53 DoomDragon: "Next exploits is building on nme planets and have a friend bombing the buildings"
18:19:56 [ C `] Dwarden: "bio problem is cheating, exploiting and unbalanced prestige gain are linked each to other"
18:20:07 [Evil]Evil Bob: "it's a big can of worms, it'll punish lower ranks entirely too much."
18:20:07 [GER]Samweis: "right spirit"
18:20:12 DoomDragon: "you should only allowed to build on friendly planets"
18:20:21 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Agreed Doom."
18:20:32 [BIS]BIOnicman: "hmm dontknow about that DD"
18:20:37 DoomDragon: "And, you can only build when the revolt level is atleast 0.6 "
18:20:40 [ C `] Dwarden: "Another glitch entering enemy gate....DISABLE it please"
18:20:40 Selvarian: "Yes, I agree there."
18:20:58 [BIS]BIOnicman: "its allready risky to build anything with defence on if enm planet"
18:21:01 [PS]Faustus: "@DD.. you serious, I thought I had changed to code to allow you to build only on friendly planets..."
18:21:14 DoomDragon: "are you sure?"
18:21:18 [PS]Faustus: "but I'll check"
18:21:19 [Evil]Evil Bob: "nope, you can still build on hostile planets"
18:21:20 [MoA]Bumblebee: "one little addenum"
18:21:23 [BIS]BIOnicman: "yeu can build on enm"
18:21:25 [ C `] Dwarden: "faustus i think only on neutral"
18:21:27 [PS]Faustus: "K... that's a bug"
18:21:42 [MoA]Bumblebee: "you can build on neutral planets with NO gaim"
18:21:43 [PS]Faustus: "I need to change it so the planet must be friendly.."
18:21:45 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "but stays the same just the bomber is on the other team and they use the /target or /yell command to spek to each other"
18:22:03 DoomDragon: "but more important is that you cannot build when the planet is near a revolt after tons of bombing"
18:22:08 [Evil]Disgruntled Doug: "right, cooperation is really the issue"
18:22:10 [MoA]Bumblebee: "but if you bomb the structure after building you get bombing-prestige"
18:22:10 [el33t]captnsmooth: "I have a followup to that bug..."
18:22:17 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "i have seen such discussions : let me bomb and i will not harm u so we will get both our points"
18:22:23 [eXS]Vampyer: "hi"
18:22:35 DoomDragon: "even when you build on a friendly planet and your friend on the other faction bomb them you can still build"
18:22:39 [eXS]Hydronix: "hi vamp"
18:22:52 [PS]Faustus: "@spirt... to a certain extent we cannot prevent ALL exploits... I think these types of exploits will be much harder on official PS servers, simply because there will be so many players, someone would notice and come to kill one or the other."
18:23:12 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... K "
18:23:12 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "right"
18:23:23 [Evil]Evil Bob: "agreed, PS servers will most likely cure that kind of exploit"
18:23:23 [MoA]Bumblebee: "or push them"
18:23:38 [PS]sunshine: "there are still many ways to use exploits .. now we should discuss how to handle it when we get to know about some players/clans who are ding it .."
18:23:52 [eXS]Gladi: "anjd what is about cheaters?"
18:23:56 [ C `] Dwarden: "what about think more about planet population"
18:23:56 Selvarian: "Faustus -> Agreed. Most of the remaingin exploits found after the gold release will have to be dealt with as Code of Conduct violations."
18:23:58 DoomDragon: "the changes you made for capturing are nice, i think this exploit is finally gone...but the revolts are still bugged"
18:24:11 [ C `] Dwarden: "actually its only number affecting production rate and revolts"
18:24:42 [ C `] Dwarden: "what give to population mood so it stop produce under bombing etc"
18:24:39 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "yes i like the idea from DD that revolting planets become neutral"
18:24:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "because bombed civils not working"
18:24:56 [ C `] Dwarden: ":)"
18:25:04 Selvarian: "The main thing is to determine if a known exploit is being used or not. If it is, then reprimands need to be issued."
18:25:07 [PS]Faustus: "@sunshine.... I think nothing at this point except to kick or push those who are found out... once offical servers are online, then it will be much less..."
18:25:08 [BIS]BIOnicman: "and neutral dont give cap points hmm"
18:25:10 [GER]Samweis: "@dwarden: and also more buildings on larger planets"
18:25:12 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Yup my computer officially sucks."
[eXS]Possessor has entered the room...([eXS]Possessor)
18:25:36 [ C `] Dwarden: "Samweis thats another idea differ building max number on planet / moon size"
18:25:46 [PS]sunshine: "until then only push/kick ... no prestige reset for the categories they used any way of exploiting .."
18:25:47 [eXS]Possessor: "hello all im alittle late sorry "
18:25:56 [eXS]Gladi: "hey unnormal tha LB has the same buildings like BB"
18:25:58 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "and neutral planets should give u 1 point and not 5 like enemy "
18:26:00 DoomDragon: "I think planets who revolt should be the rebel faction....computer controlled"
18:26:01 [el33t]captnsmooth: "So like I said, I have another exploit/bug that should be mentioned that goes along with the building on enemy planets..."
18:26:01 Selvarian: "If one is unsure, then the issue needs to be brought up for discussion ASAP in the mod forum and/or meetings."
18:26:07 [GER]Samweis: "@dwarden: yes, and its an old idea "
18:26:07 [PS]Faustus: "FYI... the reason the structure limit is at 16, is more of a performance issue than anything else... "
18:26:07 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Whenever you're ready."
18:26:07 [ C `] Dwarden: "i feel bad when i see planet 4 times bigger as moon and each have same amount of buildings"
18:26:18 [ C `] Dwarden: "good to hear F"
18:26:29 [BIS]BIOnicman: "i think the max buildings makes it good whats wrong it that the mine/factory is upside down one some planets"
18:26:32 [GER]Samweis: "ah"
18:27:06 [PS]Faustus: "http://www.darkspace.net/en/manuf.htm"
18:27:13 [BIS]BIOnicman: "most actuly did anyone in here read my proposed new res scheame"
18:27:14 [PS]Faustus: "for those of you who have arrived late.. "
18:27:18 [eXS]Gladi: "hm or make more buildings on bigger planets but a defens/shild/barrkas/depot/ maximum"
18:27:51 [eXS]Hydronix: "the problem is, you cant drop troops on lb if there are 16 buildings and 16 inf"
18:27:56 [eXS]Hydronix: "theres no room"
18:27:59 Selvarian: "So, are we resolved that we need to a) document all known exploits (and if/when they are fixed), b) reprimand (push/ban) those using them when found out, and c) gather evidence on possible new exploits to add to the list."
18:28:01 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... rebel faction, might be a good ideal for revolts to make the planet neutral again"
18:28:03 Selvarian: "??"
18:28:04 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Ok well I'm just going to blurt this out: There is also a bug/exploit where you can supply other ships, enemy ships. Now this doesn't make too much sense, so I think it should be restricted to friendly ships."
18:28:05 DoomDragon: "I really think that the upkeep for armies should be less than 5 resources"
18:28:08 [BIS]BIOnicman: "thats a good point"
18:28:09 [eXS]Gladi: "right you must first bomb it"
18:28:23 DoomDragon: "i posted something about revolts in the sugg. forum faustus"
18:28:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "lol FTL"
18:28:48 [eXS]Gladi: "and faustr plz make it the inf dont get trough schilds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
18:28:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "lot of games use Free Trade League "
18:28:54 DoomDragon: "And, when you have no resources on a planet and a negative income the buildings and armies should slowly get damaged!"
18:29:00 [PS]Faustus: "@Captn.... agreed, I've added that to my list.."
18:29:20 [PS]Faustus: "@DD.... yes"
18:29:20 [GER]Samweis: "right DD"
18:29:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "DD yes negative economy must have negative effect"
18:29:33 [BIS]BIOnicman: "@Gladi: thaT WOULD TIP THE BALLANCE TO ICC TO MUCH"
18:29:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "like slowdown in depot repair rate, slowdown in defence fire etc"
18:29:55 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Guys lets get off the suggestions about balance."
18:29:58 [ C `] Dwarden: "longer in minus = worse effect"
18:30:02 [PS]Faustus: "@gladi... don't like that ideal, we tried it before, it was bad..."
18:30:02 [BIS]BIOnicman: "right"
18:30:04 Selvarian: "ok, we are heading back to the balance issue..."
18:30:04 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Gladi: or the shield strengh mut be less than 20% to drop infs"
18:30:10 [eXS]Gladi: "hm okey the give ugto 2 lasers and make troops like little shipd wich land on planest but hard to get"
18:30:19 [PS]Faustus: "@dead-eye... we tried that, nope.."
18:30:21 Selvarian: "We'll be here all day if we're not careful."
18:30:23 [el33t]captnsmooth: "FOCUS people, FOCUS!"
18:30:30 [ C `] Dwarden: "Gladi landing shuttles "
18:30:26 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "ok"
18:30:30 [BIS]BIOnicman: "http://www.palestar.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=2292&forum=33&6"
18:30:32 [PS]Faustus: "focus.... DD has the floor"
D3VaST8D has entered the room...(D3VaST8D)
18:30:42 [eXS]Gladi: "right"
18:30:45 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Thankyou."
18:30:46 [BIS]BIOnicman: "should we not follow the prepared list"
18:30:54 [eXS]Gladi: "landing shuttles which jo can shot down"
18:30:57 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Faustus: when we tried this?"
18:31:02 DoomDragon: "i think that are the main exploits which aren't fixed"
18:31:03 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "*thinking*"
18:31:12 [eXS]Gladi: "we start with cheating but nothing sayed to this"
18:31:21 DoomDragon: "Dunno if we want to discuss any other balance issues"
18:31:20 Selvarian: "OK. So, are we resolved that we need to a) document all known exploits (and if/when they are fixed), b) reprimand (push/ban) those using them when found out, and c) gather evidence on possible new exploits to add to the list?"
18:31:21 DoomDragon: "Dunno if we want to discuss any other balance issues"
18:31:37 [PS]Faustus: "@selvarian... agrred"
18:31:43 DoomDragon: "Maybe the prestige system? "
18:31:49 Selvarian: "Anything to add to that resolution?"
18:31:49 [BIS]BIOnicman: "ok the jump with = jump fuel exploit/bug /cheat ?"
18:31:52 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Gladi: cheating will be lowered with PS-servers"
18:31:56 [PS]sunshine: "prestige system .. also a good point"
18:32:11 DoomDragon: "I still find it to easy to level...and ppl tend to use the method which gives them the big ships the fastest way"
18:32:13 [Evil]Evil Bob: "you mean the e-jump without fuel Bio"
18:32:15 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "dokument al lexploits so that everyone will try ?"
18:32:16 Selvarian: "Do we want to follow the list now?"
18:32:19 [PS]sunshine: "when you see some players using exploits tell them and push them if they don't stop it"
18:32:20 [BIS]BIOnicman: "yes "
18:32:28 [BIS]BIOnicman: "ok the jump with 0 jump fuel exploit/bug /cheat ?"
18:32:34 Selvarian: "Yes, try and be kicked/banned"
18:32:34 [eXS]Gladi: "hm i think we dont follow the list from first i will leave CU"
[MoA]Patlukowsky greets everyone...([MoA]Patlukowsky)
18:32:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "@F any improvements on NOname player ? i thinks its not good have that player in Metauniverse"
18:32:54 [PS]Faustus: "K... jump bug is on my list... continue"
18:32:58 [MoA]Soul132: "hi pat"
18:33:13 DoomDragon: "Different ranks for each class would be nice. Sam? "
18:33:17 [PS]sunshine: "heya pat"
18:33:32 [GER]Samweis: "yes DD )"
18:33:34 [PS]sunshine: "agree with you DD"
18:33:44 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "as do i"
18:33:44 [PS]sunshine: "and sam "
18:33:46 Selvarian: "OK. Next item from the list: Moderator function / categorization. This was brought up last time. Shall we touch on it again or table it for further forum discussion?"
18:33:56 [BIS]BIOnicman: "1. Moderator Functions / Categorization "
18:33:58 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "And the JG res bug? You can get a cruiser with 2000 res"
18:34:00 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Wait"
18:34:04 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "lets say 3 main classes : Fighters Supply and Engineer"
18:34:15 [el33t]captnsmooth: "I have another exploit."
18:34:19 [ C `] Dwarden: "DD 6 ranks for class is enough i think "
18:34:27 DoomDragon: "there is a nice article in the suggestion forum"
18:34:42 [Evil]Evil Bob: "we're back to balance issues again, lets stick with the bug's and exploit discussion please"
18:34:46 [GER]Samweis: "@dwarden: not if u want to specialize yourself"
18:34:46 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Apparently if you emergency Jump when your drive is damaged, it does not get damaged further, so after the jump is complete, you can jump again after the normal time."
18:35:00 DoomDragon: "dwarden, you need some higher levels for power players....which shouldn't give super ships but a light increase"
18:35:16 [el33t]captnsmooth: "I don't know if this is true, it was just brought to my attention."
18:35:28 [ C `] Dwarden: "actually u have ranks plus 6 levels for each class"
18:35:39 [ C `] Dwarden: "that can give lot of combination"
18:35:50 Selvarian: "OK. I think specific instances of exploits need to be listed in the forum for discussion. We'll be here all day if we list everything now."
18:35:59 DoomDragon: "i would remove the ranks, thats where you have levels"
18:36:07 [GER]DrMud: "seems like noone been reading my post at general forum"
18:36:10 Selvarian: "The issue is how to deal with them."
18:36:43 [PS]Faustus: "K... I've got a limited amount of time... so let's move on.."
18:36:46 Selvarian: "Let's move along. Any discussion on the moderator function / categorization issue from last time?"
18:36:47 [PS]sunshine: "yes, elets stop the discussion about the exploits/bugs"
18:36:48 DoomDragon: "i think when faustus did all the changes you cannot use exploits anymore"
18:36:52 [eXS]Hydronix: "good"
18:37:09 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "And the bug with ressources in JG to buy a ship?"
18:37:13 [BIS]BIOnicman: "if we see anyone use know exploites in game should we wren them then kick them or just kick ?"
18:37:20 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Yes, I still want to move for Specific - Knowledge Moderators."
18:37:33 DoomDragon: "i use push"
18:37:40 Selvarian: "Basically, it had to do with classifying moderators by the areas of expertise, so players whould have an idea who might be able to answer their question best."
18:37:44 [PS]sunshine: "warn him"
18:37:46 [PS]sunshine: "then push"
18:37:50 [Evil]Disgruntled Doug: "maybe a tag for people who have been warned?"
18:37:52 [PS]sunshine: "NEXT TOPIC !"
18:38:00 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Please, lets move on."
18:38:02 DoomDragon: "sure i warn before "
18:38:02 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "And the bug with ressources in JG to buy a ship?"
18:38:20 [PS]Faustus: "onward... "
18:38:36 [BIS]BIOnicman: "bugs is not uner discussion here save it for the forum i say"
18:38:42 [el33t]captnsmooth: "So what are your thoughts on this moderator idea?"
18:38:45 [MoA]Bumblebee: "read my post (s)"
18:38:47 Selvarian: "OK. No discussion on that point... next: current moderator count and "weeding the patch""
18:38:50 [PS]sunshine: "moderators"
18:39:01 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Rofl Selv.."
18:39:04 [BIS]BIOnicman: "and that means ?"
18:39:09 [PS]sunshine: "please let me state some things ..."
18:39:12 [BIS]BIOnicman: "weeding the patch ?"
18:39:24 [PS]Faustus: "my thoughts, nice but with the limited time and other tasks that need to be done, highly unlikely it would get done in time..."
18:39:25 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes please sun"
18:39:33 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Bio: its posted more times, but not solved"
18:39:35 Selvarian: "It was brought up that we have too many moderators and that sunshine was working on removing inactive or problematic mods fro the list."
18:39:43 [PS]sunshine: "since last meeting i got only 2 complains about abused mod rights"
18:39:55 [PS]sunshine: "better than 1st week "
18:40:03 [PS]Faustus: "yay "
18:40:04 [MoA]Patlukowsky: ":)"
18:40:14 [GER]Samweis: ".)"
18:40:18 [BIS]BIOnicman: ":D"
18:40:20 [MoA]Bumblebee: "and?"
18:40:20 Selvarian: "(it wasn't me!)"
18:40:26 [Evil]Evil Bob: "that's what fautus brought up just before you arrived Sun "
18:40:33 Chromix_: "argh, looks like I've to wait for the logfile..."
18:40:38 Selvarian: "How many mods do we have right now?"
18:40:46 [PS]sunshine: "in my opinion it's important to see who kicked/banned"
18:40:49 DoomDragon: "The number of mods should be based on the number of ppl playing....a small community needs not many mods..."
18:40:55 [PS]Faustus: "~50"
18:41:05 [MoA]Bumblebee: "please let sun speak"
18:41:06 [PS]sunshine: "sunshine was banned by faustus .. for example"
18:41:12 DoomDragon: "the question is, how big is the pool of active players"
18:41:15 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... thats a good thing about having a democratic system..."
18:41:18 [el33t]captnsmooth: "DD, it should also be based on time zones, because if we have all mods that go to sleep while most people are playing, well thats not going to work."
18:41:28 [PS]Faustus: "@Sunshine.. agreeded, I'll work to add that to the banning messages.."
18:41:34 [PS]sunshine: "time zones is the next point"
18:41:40 Selvarian: "As was brought up before, I think we need to define some of the functions/duties that moderators fulfill and base our need for new moderators on how well we are filling those roles."
18:41:41 [PS]sunshine: "okay, thx faust"
18:41:44 [GER]Samweis: "right cptn"
18:42:04 [PS]sunshine: "i'll open a thread in the mod forum this evening or tomorrow, where all mods should reply"
18:42:17 [MoA]Gatos: "k"
18:42:21 [MoA]Bumblebee: "rgr"
18:42:29 [MoA]FrankySZ: "k"
18:42:34 [GER]Samweis: "k"
18:42:35 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "k"
18:42:41 DoomDragon: "when i look on my fighting reputation i would surely loose my mod rights by a democratic system "
18:42:43 [PS]Faustus: "I think the most important mod function is to push/kick bad players, the second most important task is to introduce new players to DS..."
18:42:46 [PS]sunshine: "i'd like to know the times when you're online"
18:42:47 [MoA]Soul132: "k"
18:42:47 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "what with the 2 compains?"
18:42:54 [GER]Samweis: "lol dd"
18:43:03 [MoA]Bumblebee: "agreed DD"
18:43:09 [PS]Faustus: "DD... I'd vote for you "
18:43:11 [BIS]BIOnicman: "im on line 24h on / off as you all know"
18:43:13 [Evil]Evil Bob: "we also need accountability, there should be a text field added to the commands for a reason as to why the person was /push, /kick/, etc. which will show up visible to mods/admins in the player's bio."
18:43:14 [PS]sunshine: "so i can check for times where we've a lack of mods ..."
18:43:19 Selvarian: "Be sure to post the times in GMT for sanity's sake."
18:43:20 [el33t]captnsmooth: "@ Selv - We need something more than the Moderator Rules, that's too general and doesn't explain how to deal with certain situations, unless the admins want us to use our own discretion."
18:43:27 [PS]Faustus: "DD and anyone who played on your team, would vote for you "
18:43:34 DoomDragon: "thx faustus, but would that help? "
18:43:36 [PS]sunshine: "what's your lobby time ?"
18:43:46 [PS]sunshine: "i've 18.44 atm"
18:43:53 [PS]Faustus: "18:43"
18:43:57 [ C `] Dwarden: "faustus can you made database with punts, bans, kicks ?"
18:43:59 Selvarian: "captn -> You referring to the Code of Conduct stuff or something else?"
18:44:06 [GER]Samweis: "18:44"
18:44:07 [PS]Faustus: "the time, is in GMT..."
[eXS]Gladi sent "hey i have been selected for dual field"([eXS]Gladi)
18:44:20 [ C `] Dwarden: "like 18:43 Server:name; Player:name; Type:kick; reason:abuse"
18:44:21 [PS]Faustus: "@dwarden... sounds like I need too.."
18:44:24 [PS]sunshine: "okay perfect .. so post the times in GMT (lobby time)"
18:44:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "plus author:moderator_name"
18:44:32 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Something like that, because when I became a mod, I had no idea what to do really.."
18:44:43 DoomDragon: "I think it would help to devide mods into special areass like newbies help, technical stuff and normal mods"
18:44:47 [MoA]Bumblebee: "rgr2"
18:44:47 [Evil]Evil Bob: "that will help when a player comes and complains about mod abuse, it'll be shown who kick'd and for what reason. "
18:44:51 Selvarian: "To a certain extent, any form of management will mean that you have to make a judgement call, as there will always be situations which are not covered by the rules."
18:45:00 [el33t]captnsmooth: "EXACTLY DD, only if you were paying attention before.."
18:45:02 [GER]Samweis: "yes dd"
18:45:03 DoomDragon: "so a newbie would see which mod can actually help the best"
18:45:16 [el33t]captnsmooth: "OMG I'm going to shoot myself."
18:45:38 [PS]sunshine: "yes, and when ever you ban a player, please report it to me or faustus , don't know if you want a copy to faust ?"
18:45:50 [PS]Faustus: "DD... just sounding to complex, ofcourse I'm the poor sap who has to program all this "
18:45:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "faustus that list will allow us defend when some user point on me and say HE abused power"
18:45:57 [BIS]BIOnicman: "hehe"
18:45:57 [GER]Samweis: ":)"
18:46:07 [MoA]Bumblebee: ":9"
18:46:08 [BIS]BIOnicman: "keep it simple"
18:46:12 [MoA]Lord_Binary: ";)"
18:46:13 Selvarian: "Faustus -> by your choice, yes...  )"
18:46:24 DoomDragon: "just give them different colors and explain them with a picture in the lobby bar "
18:46:43 [Evil]Evil Bob: "Sun, is it possible to get a reply from the SQL database that indicates the account that has just been kicked? it'll be easier to report such action if we know the account name and not the login name."
18:46:50 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "what if a mod can/will do tech help and newbiw help ?"
18:46:54 [ C `] Dwarden: "Faustus idea about newbies in game ... please listen and tell me what you think"
18:46:57 [BIS]BIOnicman: "any mod should be able to help a newb at demmand thats simple"
18:47:00 [GER]Samweis: "and a locator if a mod is ingame so a player can get him into lobby out of the game "
18:47:00 [MoA]Bumblebee: "ok folks - sorry but i have to go now"
18:47:16 [MoA]Soul132: "cu bumble"
18:47:18 [ C `] Dwarden: "what about put behind player name field Dwarden [365] where 365 mean number of days in game !"
18:47:20 [MoA]Bumblebee: "im a bit sick and have to cool down"
18:47:28 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "cu"
18:47:29 [GER]Samweis: "cya bumble"
18:47:31 [PS]sunshine: "isn't it the same @bob ?"
18:47:34 [MoA]Bumblebee: "cu all and tnx"
18:47:35 [PS]sunshine: "bye bumble"
18:47:35 [el33t]captnsmooth: "@ Lord - The system would work to indicate what the moderators knowledge is stronger in, i.e. Tech Mod has more knowledge of hardware, etc."
18:47:36 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "cu bumble"
18:47:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "this allow fast orientation who is newbie and probably need help"
18:47:42 [MoA]Gatos: "cu bumble"
18:47:43 [MoA]FrankySZ: "cu Bumble"
18:47:45 [el33t]captnsmooth: "But all mods would still be able to answer all questions."
18:47:58 Selvarian: "OK, so the last two points are somewhat tied together. We won't really know if we need any more mods, or how many to remove until we have some idea of the requirements of both functional and temporal coverage. (IE, what to do and when to do it)."
18:48:06 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "and how about changing the ingame color back for mods - so player see whom they can ask"
18:48:03 [PS]sunshine: "better give new players another color for the first 7 days"
18:48:06 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "and how about changing the ingame color back for mods - so player see whom they can ask"
18:48:14 [BIS]BIOnicman: "a tech mod that cant play the game is not much of a mod anyway"
18:48:23 [ C `] Dwarden: "Sunshine that not differ newbies .... "
18:48:39 [ C `] Dwarden: "i mean this allow player see someone with [424] he know that guy is veteran"
18:48:47 [ C `] Dwarden: "and he can probably ask him too"
18:49:02 [GER]Samweis: "good point dwarden"
18:49:03 Selvarian: "So, we need to gen up a list of functions in the forum and see when everyone can fulfill those functions, including making sure we have enough to back them up in case they can't make it."
18:49:03 DoomDragon: "you can see the playtime in the profile"
18:49:10 [PS]Faustus: "I sorta like the ideal of some special protection for newbies... however, PS will certainly run official newbie servers... I think this will have the same effect..."
18:49:14 [ C `] Dwarden: "DD not playtime"
18:49:15 [BIS]BIOnicman: "DD right"
18:49:27 [ C `] Dwarden: "this is Counter since account registered in days!"
18:49:46 [ C `] Dwarden: "Silentdeath of course there will be info about chat in GCQL manual"
18:49:59 DoomDragon: "well, you can register your account and don't play....doesn't mean you are a vet"
18:50:15 [ C `] Dwarden: "DD acounts will be deleted after 90 days of inactivity"
18:50:14 [BIS]BIOnicman: "@F yes we have to protect the newbs from killing sprees"
18:50:19 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Selv - What's next."
18:50:26 DoomDragon: "we have about 14000 inactive accounts i guess"
18:50:30 [PS]sunshine: "yes .. so i'd prefer the color for new players in the first days"
18:50:43 Selvarian: "I would actually like to have the ability to switch to "player" mode. That way, I can be "just another player" and not be bombarded with questions in my "play" time."
[eXS]Gladi has entered the room...([eXS]Gladi)
18:51:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "silent death so easy PopUp move mouse over player name and it popup field with"
18:51:05 [PS]Faustus: "I think selvarian is on the topic of choosing moderators for their skills to provide functions... "
18:51:13 [PS]Faustus: "one thing I have to say... "
18:51:28 [ C `] Dwarden: "Info: This player is White ...that mean he is administrator....and that number behind his name mean days in service "
18:51:29 [PS]Faustus: "technical support, is something we can handle mostly with the web site..."
18:51:30 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Good idea Selv, but I think the commitement of being a mod should restrict you to being a mod all the time while youre on DS"
18:51:37 [PS]Faustus: "and knoledge base.."
18:51:51 Selvarian: "In fact, I would rather have to turn on "moderator" mode. Maybe certain functions would have different colors, and people who have been given access to turn on those indicators can do so when they want to perform those functions."
18:51:59 [MoA]Gatos: "gtg work to do cu"
18:52:12 [PS]sunshine: "cu gatos"
18:52:13 [MoA]Soul132: "cu gatos"
18:52:26 [PS]Faustus: "@selv... I've been planning to add a stealth mode, so moderators can remain hidden in the lobbies.."
18:52:39 [GER]Samweis: "cya gatos"
18:52:40 Selvarian: "captn -> Then the mods will eventually get bored and "burn-out"."
18:52:48 [ C `] Dwarden: "ahhh now i get romulan technology "
18:52:49 [PS]Faustus: "I think this would solve the problem..."
18:52:49 [eXS]Gladi: "and away mode?"
18:53:00 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "good also the away command is still needed"
18:53:01 [PS]sunshine: "and also an away mode "
18:53:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "grey color = away"
18:53:02 [BIS]BIOnicman: "@F good idiar then i can scrap my 5 unactive pprofiles "
18:53:05 [GER]DrMud: "OMG; dont led it become a police state..."
18:53:11 Selvarian: "Faustus -> Agreed. Anyway, I think this can be continued in the forums."
18:53:13 [Evil]Evil Bob: "people behave differently when the mods are not about, stealth mode will give us a good reality check."
[-IMO-]AlGates laughs at [BIS]BIOnicman...([-IMO-]AlGates)
18:53:26 [eXS]Gladi: "and mute?"
18:53:30 [PS]Faustus: "@evil... agreed"
18:53:34 [el33t]captnsmooth: "But what if a mod was in "stealth" mode, and saw a player acting inappropriately..then can he just kick/push him without the player knowing there was a mod?"
18:53:45 [el33t]captnsmooth: "To me that seems a bit unfair."
18:53:45 [PS]Faustus: "away and mute are something I'm still working on..."
18:53:49 [PS]sunshine: "no cap"
18:53:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "no cap"
18:53:59 [PS]Faustus: "no cap"
18:54:03 [ C `] Dwarden: "but force players FEAR that MODERATOR is everywhere "
18:54:03 Selvarian: "Just come out of stealth mode and pop them."
18:54:07 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Ouch shot down."
18:54:11 [PS]Faustus: "moderators must warn firstly, then kick..."
18:54:22 [Evil]Evil Bob: "they shouldn't need to know there is a mod about, they just need to know that they're supposed to behave regardless if a mod is present or not"
18:54:30 [PS]Faustus: "@dwarden.. agreed"
18:54:31 [PS]sunshine: "when faustus added new code, everybody will see which mod kicked7banned"
18:54:38 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Alright, I've been run over."
18:54:40 [el33t]captnsmooth: ":)"
18:54:46 [el33t]captnsmooth: "No need to beat a dead horse."
[PS]Faustus gives [el33t]captnsmooth a great big hug...([PS]Faustus)
18:54:54 [PS]sunshine: "hehe"
18:55:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "oki next point ?"
18:55:03 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "They should learn to use right words"
18:55:05 [GER]Samweis: "but u can get soap from it "
18:55:10 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Let's move on."
18:55:25 [PS]sunshine: "new mods ..."
18:55:29 Selvarian: "OK. I think we can move along... what about the accidental ban issue with the pop-up menu?"
18:55:36 [PS]sunshine: "let's discuss this point next week"
18:55:41 [ C `] Dwarden: "*"
18:55:38 [PS]Faustus: "yeah, 5 more minutes and I need to get back to work ;:)"
18:55:50 [el33t]captnsmooth: "I think that was resolved because you need to confirm the ban, Selv."
18:55:53 Selvarian: "Uh-uh!"
18:56:00 [ C `] Dwarden: "*"
18:55:57 [el33t]captnsmooth: "So accidental bans should not happen."
18:56:02 [PS]sunshine: "when i got an overview about the times where we've a lack of mods"
18:56:09 [PS]Faustus: "How can someone do this, because of the confirmation dialog?"
18:56:19 [ C `] Dwarden: "Faustus hunted by time counter "
18:56:24 [PS]sunshine: "when a user left the channel ?"
18:56:26 [PS]Faustus: "hehe"
18:56:32 Selvarian: "OK. I didn't know that... ) Next point... Unbanning"
18:56:42 [PS]Faustus: "@sunshine.. the confirm has the user name.."
18:56:51 Selvarian: "(obviously, I haven't used those functions yet)"
18:56:58 [PS]sunshine: "okay .. problem solved "
18:57:23 [Evil]Evil Bob: "we also need a confirmation in game Faustus"
18:57:30 [ C `] Dwarden: "i posted this in forum and sended u mail ... i hate when i kick someone who is innoncent"
18:57:30 [PS]sunshine: "yes, an automatic push from server for this " " players would be best i guess"
18:57:38 Selvarian: "I think unbanning should be left up to admins. Otherwise you have the potential for a moderator "clan war"."
18:57:42 [-IMO-]AlGates: "confirmation like at selfdestructs"
18:57:49 [Evil]Evil Bob: "yep"
18:58:01 [GER]Samweis: "yes "
18:58:08 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "yes"
18:58:19 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "k"
18:58:33 Selvarian: "Discussion? Everyone agree?"
18:58:38 [Evil]Evil Bob: "I'd also like a tect entry after the /kick command, some small explanation why the person was kick'd, etc."
18:58:38 Radarrider: "agree"
18:58:39 [eXS]Hydronix: "yes"
18:58:40 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Next Issue."
18:58:49 [PS]sunshine: "yes, wanna have access to the banned-player-list @faustus "
18:58:55 [BIS]BIOnicman: "are a messege in the darkspace.log and server.log"
18:58:58 Selvarian: "Next. Moderator feedback system..."
18:58:59 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "cap: no time"
[-IMO-]AlGates shakes his head at [PS]sunshine...([-IMO-]AlGates)
18:59:18 [PS]sunshine: "when you kick an player, you have to give this explanation before !"
18:59:27 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Yes I want a Moderator Feedback Forum."
18:59:31 [PS]Faustus: "@sunshine... I know, need to write the script..."
18:59:37 Selvarian: "sunshine -> agreed. I like that idea"
18:59:37 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "@sun right"
18:59:40 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "moderator feedback ?"
18:59:46 Radarrider: "yes, in warnings beforehand"
19:00:01 [PS]sunshine: "atm i guess there's no need for this feedback formula"
19:00:12 Selvarian: " /ban Hoser "Because he was using sexually explicit language for the THIRD TIME tonight!""
19:00:13 [-IMO-]AlGates: "formula?"
19:00:18 DoomDragon: "We still need a fast way to push ppl ingame with very difficult names"
19:00:21 [PS]sunshine: "when people want to complain about any mod, they can write an email to me directly"
19:00:23 [Evil]Evil Bob: "yes Selv, exactly"
[-IMO-]AlGates slaps Selvarian in the head...([-IMO-]AlGates)
19:00:31 [PS]Faustus: "@DD... working on that"
19:00:36 DoomDragon: "good"
19:00:53 [Evil]Evil Bob: "you warn them first, then kick them if they don't behave, and place a reason why you kicked them in the kick command."
19:00:55 [BIS]BIOnicman: "10. Potential new moderators"
19:01:00 Selvarian: "Yes, the moderator feedback system. Way for players to suggest new mods and comment on existing ones."
19:01:11 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "ok"
19:01:12 [el33t]captnsmooth: "@ Sunshine - what happens when the game goes public, and you have 1000s of emails a day?"
19:01:17 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "@Bio htis was delayed for a week"
19:01:19 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Why not just implement a feedback form now?"
19:01:23 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "good idea"
19:01:25 Selvarian: "Then he gets a helper"
19:01:27 [BIS]BIOnicman: "that subject is into F´s hands and in the forum"
19:01:31 [PS]sunshine: "comments directly to me, so there's no need for a feedback system"
19:01:36 [PS]Faustus: "I think a forum would do the job..."
19:01:42 [PS]Faustus: "for now.."
19:01:46 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@cap: he has a lot of work now "
19:01:48 [PS]sunshine: "where's the difference ? 1000 emails or 100 entry in the feedback system ?"
19:01:49 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Man I'm getting shot down left and right here."
19:02:01 Selvarian: "OK. Sounds good."
19:02:20 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Well 1000s emails are handled by you alone, if you have helpers you have to forward messages to them"
19:02:36 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selvarian what about idea about Bugzilla ?"
19:02:41 [PS]sunshine: "i guess i won't recieve so many mails "
19:02:43 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Form, say 10 admins can access it, so the work can be divided quickly."
19:02:43 [ C `] Dwarden: "Bugzilla4DS ?"
19:02:44 Selvarian: "Dwarden asked last time if moderators would mind if their personal info was know to other moderators?"
19:02:45 [PS]Faustus: "Shoud anon posting be allowed on the moderator feedback forum?"
19:02:57 Selvarian: "Dwarden -> Hang on a sec"
19:02:58 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "I want to left the lobby"
19:03:00 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "cu all"
19:03:04 [ C `] Dwarden: "no"
19:03:12 [ C `] Dwarden: "i think anonimity lead to bad results"
19:03:09 Chromix_: "anonymous ? will just result in flaming"
19:03:12 [BIS]BIOnicman: "yes"
19:03:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "anonymity "
19:03:16 [eXS]Vampyer: "cu Dead"
19:03:21 [eXS]Possessor: "cu dead"
19:03:28 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Why do we need anon?"
19:03:28 Radarrider: "But if the feedback forum is readable by all, is that a good idea?"
19:03:29 [PS]sunshine: "cu dead"
19:03:32 [el33t]captnsmooth: "We're all friends..."
19:03:33 [el33t]captnsmooth: "I think "
19:03:36 Selvarian: "Sure. You weigh the words of the poster against the fact that they are anonymous."
19:03:40 [Evil]Evil Bob: "no Faustus, anon's hide under anonymity and are not very credulous"
19:03:52 [Evil]Disgruntled Doug: "spam flaming would be a real prob"
19:03:59 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Readarrider - Feedback would go to 1 mailbox, which could be accessed by several admins."
19:04:09 [BIS]BIOnicman: "been flamed so much so i think that anonymity should be an option"
19:04:18 Selvarian: "Of course, it is easier to use email than to post anonymously."
19:04:20 Radarrider: "ahh, much better than open forum"
19:04:52 Selvarian: "OK. Mods knowing the personal info of other mods. Anyone care?"
19:04:55 [PS]sunshine: "in my opinion there are other, more important points than the moderator feedback system ..."
19:05:03 [PS]sunshine: "that's my opinion"
19:05:07 [BIS]BIOnicman: "k on we go"
19:05:11 [Evil]Evil Bob: "I don't mind at all"
19:05:18 [PS]sunshine: "when you've any suggestions for new mods, tell me and we'll discuss this on the meetings"
19:05:21 Selvarian: "Me neither."
19:05:26 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "right if one wants to give a feedback he writes a mail - done"
19:05:39 Selvarian: "However, that info should be kept private from players."
19:05:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "all can see my profile . then all know my icq, and on icq i have real personal info"
19:05:51 [el33t]captnsmooth: "How about making mod emails public?"
19:05:53 [PS]Faustus: "K... gotta run very soon... anyway, just want to let everyone know what I'm working on currently."
19:05:57 [MoA]FrankySZ: "agree with sun"
19:05:57 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "right spirit and agree sun"
19:05:57 [Evil]Evil Bob: "yes, kept within the mods/admin circle"
19:06:08 Selvarian: "I posited the feddback system as opposed to a voting system."
19:06:09 [MoA]Soul132: "agree with sun"
19:06:09 [GER]Samweis: "ok faustus"
19:06:14 DoomDragon: "the fighters? "
19:06:24 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "*listen*"
19:06:37 Radarrider: "I think only the admins should know that info since moderator turnover is a reality"
19:07:22 [PS]Faustus: "High priority for this week: map editor, new communications screen within DS, enhancements to nav and engineering screens, galactic map for navigation screen, player profile visible in-game, formations, and ofcourse loads of bug fixes.."
19:07:43 [PS]sunshine: "sync/lag issues ?"
19:07:44 Radarrider: "nice "
19:07:45 [GER]Samweis: "sounds really good "
19:07:49 [BIS]BIOnicman: "goddy goddy"
19:07:51 [eXS]Vampyer: "sounds good"
19:07:52 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Fix the web page navigation frame."
19:08:12 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "nice"
19:08:15 [el33t]captnsmooth: "It gets cut off in the chat client"
19:08:16 [MoA]FrankySZ: "great"
19:08:21 [el33t]captnsmooth: "so maybe add a scroll bar."
19:08:21 Selvarian: "Any Metaverse issues that came out of the test going to be addressed?"
19:08:22 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "really nice F"
19:08:35 [ C `] Dwarden: "Made star bacground more randomize"
19:09:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv lotsa of bugs was result of Sun/Sat test "
19:09:07 Selvarian: "*poof* he's gone. OK...age limits for moderators?"
19:09:12 [ C `] Dwarden: "15+"
19:09:20 [BIS]BIOnicman: "up or down "
19:09:22 [el33t]captnsmooth: "34 years of age and younger "
19:09:27 [ C `] Dwarden: "i will vote for 18+ but i'm not sure"
19:09:31 [Evil]Evil Bob: "doh!"
19:09:33 Selvarian: "Works for me."
19:09:35 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "how to proof ?"
19:09:36 [Evil]Disgruntled Doug: ":)"
19:09:41 [ C `] Dwarden: "15+ mean 15 and plus"
19:09:51 [el33t]captnsmooth: "34-!"
19:09:58 [ C `] Dwarden: "BInary thats easy i can send u copy of my Natinal ID card"
19:10:02 [ C `] Dwarden: ":)"
19:10:05 [ C `] Dwarden: "national"
19:10:02 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "ok got to go cu later"
19:10:04 [eXS]Possessor: "min 90 and looking dead "
19:10:04 [GER]Samweis: "how old are you all? so we can know it to decide "
19:10:06 [el33t]captnsmooth: "And no Georgians."
19:10:07 [GER]DrMud: "uhm, faustus ?"
19:10:09 Chromix_: "hm, is there a weapon chart out yet where ppl can view weapon stats / factions etc"
19:10:12 Chromix_: "?"
19:10:14 [GER]Samweis: "24"
19:10:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "Cromix not yet"
19:10:29 [GER]DrMud: "no somment"
19:10:37 Selvarian: "I actually don't think we need an age limit. Since we are acquiring new mods by subjective methods (noting people who are doing well and helping others), I don't think age is an issue."
19:10:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "22"
19:10:38 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "but who handles this ?"
19:10:52 [el33t]captnsmooth: "http://www.darkspace.net/en/manual/manual.htm?"
19:10:55 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Weapons list."
19:10:58 [GER]Samweis: "@drmud "
19:11:01 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "yeah, I don>'t think that it's very usefull as well"
19:11:06 [BIS]BIOnicman: "age dont count just what and how you do it"
19:11:13 [MoA]FrankySZ: "agree Salverian"
19:11:14 [GER]DrMud: "grml"
19:11:20 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Look under ship systems."
19:11:25 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "some 15 years old are for sure more mature than so
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| Posted: 2001-10-15 14:59
19:11:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "yup binary"
19:11:41 Selvarian: "If the mod changes into this rabid beast once he/she becomes a mod, well, they go bye-bye."
19:11:45 [GER]Samweis: ":)"
19:11:47 [GER]DrMud: "ur 15 lord ?"
Chromix_ waves to [MoA]Lord_Binary...(Chromix_)
19:11:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "but i'm not sure about admin job age "
19:12:00 [ C `] Dwarden: "but again it depends on skills"
19:12:00 [el33t]captnsmooth: "hey what if i was 9"
19:12:01 [Evil]Evil Bob: "I'm guessing here that Lord is 15?"
19:12:08 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Would that change your views of me?"
19:12:14 [el33t]captnsmooth: ":*("
19:12:18 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "nope ;>"
19:12:19 Selvarian: "Well, admins are up to PaleStar. "
19:12:21 [GER]Samweis: "no cptn"
19:12:26 [Evil]Evil Bob: "no capt, we all know you're much younger then that "
19:12:33 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Rofl!"
19:12:33 [GER]Samweis: "lol"
19:12:33 [BIS]BIOnicman: "hehe"
19:12:46 [eXS]Possessor: ":-)"
19:12:58 [ C `] Dwarden: "yeah he not said he mean 9 months and he is genius "
19:13:01 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Well then I'd be the little computer genius, now wouldn't I?"
19:13:01 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Well then I'd be the little computer genius, now wouldn't I?"
19:13:01 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Well then I'd be the little computer genius, now wouldn't I?"
19:13:18 [BIS]BIOnicman: "damm my give the kid an ice creem emote is gone ;9"
[el33t]captnsmooth received Warning that he will be KICKed if he continue with this action ...([ C `] Dwarden)
19:13:22 Selvarian: "OK. I think we ought to avoid the age limit until we have some hard evidence that those who are underage prove to be able to fool all of us into letting them become mods so they can mess up."
19:13:26 [GER]DrMud: "ok cya later..."
19:13:37 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Hm ok...?"
19:13:46 Selvarian: "Later, DrMud"
19:13:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "yeah trash age limit"
19:13:53 [GER]Samweis: "cya ... i will go now"
19:14:01 [ C `] Dwarden: "care bout rules "
19:14:09 [eXS]Possessor: "CU sam "
19:14:10 Selvarian: "Next. Poweridling."
19:14:10 [MoA]FrankySZ: "cya GERs"
19:14:15 [Evil]Evil Bob: "agreed, it might be a bit hard to enforce, track record will be the best way to judge."
19:14:15 [BIS]BIOnicman: "13. Moderator culling criteria. ?????"
19:14:36 [ C `] Dwarden: "poweridle ? whats that?"
19:14:34 Selvarian: "Oops. Did I skip one?"
19:14:39 Selvarian: "Bad me."
19:14:46 Selvarian: "Yes, moderator culling criteria."
19:14:52 [ C `] Dwarden: "something about waiting with powercord in hand?"
[ C `] Dwarden grins evilly ... ([ C `] Dwarden)
19:15:04 [el33t]captnsmooth: "To solve Mod Age problem, just have Palestar through a huge party, and whoever's mommys dont let them come, are too young."
19:15:19 [Evil]Evil Bob: "heh"
19:15:20 Selvarian: "For what reasons will / should moderators have their mod privileges be revoked?"
19:15:20 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "LOL"
19:15:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "oki who pay to me USA - EUrope flight with back one i fly"
19:15:30 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "would be a way"
19:15:33 [BIS]BIOnicman: "hmm where should this party take place on BB ?"
19:15:43 [el33t]captnsmooth: "rofl sorry"
19:15:49 [el33t]captnsmooth: "lets get back to the subject"
19:15:54 Selvarian: "No parties.. just FOCUS. )"
19:16:01 [BIS]BIOnicman: "hope i dont crash into the new rebuild WTC on the way"
19:16:02 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Selv - obvious power abuse"
19:16:16 [el33t]captnsmooth: "I think that maybe a certain number of times a mod is reported to sunshine for behaviour..."
19:16:16 [Evil]Evil Bob: "repetivie abuse, not following the rules themselves."
19:16:28 Selvarian: "The main reason I am asking is for the moderator code of conduct document."
19:16:29 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "outsch Bio hard on the limit"
19:16:41 Selvarian: "Being inactive for ?? how long?"
19:16:46 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Bio dont say that, I have to fly in 3 days."
19:17:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selvarian same as account 90 days"
19:17:08 [ C `] Dwarden: "90 days = bye bye account"
19:17:10 [BIS]BIOnicman: "sorry about that it was my dark side taking over"
19:17:16 Selvarian: "OK. Works for me."
19:17:16 [Evil]Evil Bob: "if they're a mod and are incative longer then a month, then they're out of the loop rules wise."
19:17:20 Radarrider: "Obviously for breaking any of the Moderator Rules"
19:17:22 [el33t]captnsmooth: "No I think the inactivity should be less"
19:17:26 Selvarian: "Any other criteria."
19:17:37 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Too much changes in 90 days."
19:17:40 Selvarian: "OK."
19:17:43 [el33t]captnsmooth: "and Mods need to be up to date."
19:17:45 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "no a month is ok"
19:17:48 [Evil]Evil Bob: "agreed, 90 is far too long"
19:17:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "oki but you can be on holidays for 30 days"
19:17:55 [el33t]captnsmooth: "perhaps 30, or less."
19:17:57 [ C `] Dwarden: "so what about moderators = 45 days"
19:17:58 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "anything >=30 is ok with me"
19:17:56 Selvarian: "captn -> that is a tough call."
19:18:06 [ C `] Dwarden: "thats longer as month and less as two"
19:18:16 [Evil]Evil Bob: "like Dwarden doesn't take a laptop with him on vacation "
19:18:18 [BIS]BIOnicman: "hmm i take trips sometimes for 1 - 2 months"
19:18:20 [ C `] Dwarden: "in summer this increase to 90"
19:18:22 Selvarian: "perhaps a better criteria is constantly giving out the wrong information."
19:18:30 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "some of us have a work to attend and also some holiday sometimes so every 5 years "
19:18:31 Radarrider: "Unless of course there is a good reason, eh"
19:18:42 [ C `] Dwarden: "OKI there is another idea"
19:18:48 Selvarian: "C'mon, we're almost done."
19:18:49 [el33t]captnsmooth: "I think 30 days, unless you give advanced notice."
19:18:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "2 stages"
19:18:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "Active moderator"
19:18:52 [BIS]BIOnicman: "it should not be a fixed figure with out option for bending it"
19:18:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "and incative moderator"
19:18:56 Selvarian: "Let's stick to the topic."
19:19:08 [ C `] Dwarden: "active is within 45 days"
19:19:13 [ C `] Dwarden: "incative within 45 - 90"
19:19:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "after this he will be removed"
19:19:35 [ C `] Dwarden: "inactive must ask sunshine or faustus to reactivate"
19:19:44 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Whats the diff by making it 45-90, instead of 90?"
19:19:55 [ C `] Dwarden: "Capt thats due to holidays or illnes"
19:20:14 [ C `] Dwarden: "u can have crash in car and be 50 days in hospital w/o tell us"
19:20:19 [BIS]BIOnicman: "actuly this function would be better to get on the all over player listning"
19:20:40 [el33t]captnsmooth: "I think if over 30, inactivity, no matter what."
19:20:41 [BIS]BIOnicman: "not only mod accounts"
19:20:43 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Too much happens."
19:20:50 Selvarian: "captn -> How is the moderator help list?"
19:20:56 [el33t]captnsmooth: "And to regain Mod status, you must play and learn the new implementations that have occured."
19:20:59 Selvarian: "coming?"
19:21:03 [MoA]Lord_Binary: "yes, but if you are back, I'm sure your mod acccount can be reactivated if you had good reason"
19:21:07 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Whaddya mean?"
19:21:10 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Help List?"
19:21:14 [ C `] Dwarden: "capt my holidays have size 2 - 50 days"
19:21:40 [ C `] Dwarden: "depends on where and with who ..."
19:21:39 [BIS]BIOnicman: "hmm i take writing trips sometimes for 1 - 2 months"
19:21:49 Chromix_: "holidays ? whats that ? ;-/"
19:21:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "so 30 days is for me too short"
19:21:50 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Dwarden, what good are you going to be if you come back after 50 days of not being on DS, and then you can't answer any newbies questions?"
19:21:55 [BIS]BIOnicman: "i have 1 planed allready"
19:21:56 [Evil]Evil Bob: "that's easy dwarden, you just give a notice in advanced how long you're going to be absent."
19:22:01 [ C `] Dwarden: "cromix i decide when i have them "
19:22:06 Selvarian: "You mentioned last meeting that you were working on a moderator help list. A list of items that moderators can help newbies with? Kind of like a crib sheet, I think?"
19:22:23 [ C `] Dwarden: "Evil oki and what happend when i'm drived over by bus and end in hospital ?"
19:22:33 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Selv - Guess I forgot But I can definately work on one."
19:22:39 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "if u are off for long - mail to Sun, if u are are inactive for 30days u lose mod right"
19:22:43 [BIS]BIOnicman: "you hurt move on dward"
19:22:58 Selvarian: "Read the last chat log and see what you were referring to. Next topic..."
19:23:01 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Dwarden - If that happens, I think you have bigger problems to worry about than if ur still going to be a mod on DS."
19:23:07 [MoA]FrankySZ: "sorry must go cya"
19:23:19 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Sorry Selv - Short memory."
19:23:29 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "bye"
19:23:29 [BIS]BIOnicman: "14. Moderator help list - captnsmooth "
19:23:38 Selvarian: "OK. Conversant languages profile field.. needs Faustus input... OK. Poweridling."
19:23:47 [ C `] Dwarden: "oki inactivity max time 21 days"
19:23:44 [el33t]captnsmooth: "We just went over that!"
[el33t]captnsmooth whacks [BIS]BIOnicman with a rolled-up issue of the New York Times.([el33t]captnsmooth)
[el33t]captnsmooth whacks [BIS]BIOnicman with a rolled-up issue of the New York Times.([el33t]captnsmooth)
19:24:12 Selvarian: "He's gonna check on it, BIO. He forgot."
19:24:20 [BIS]BIOnicman: "ok"
19:24:32 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Is there more to the chat log?"
19:24:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "PIdling whats that ...operator in chat who does nothing?"
19:25:04 Selvarian: "Poweridling was a term coined by another mod which describes a bunch of moderators sitting in the chatroom AFK and not helping anyone (Prolly because they are drooling mindlessly)."
19:25:12 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "this is solved when away is in"
19:25:19 [BIS]BIOnicman: "hehe"
19:25:27 [Evil]Evil Bob: "when I'm AFK, I go to the AFK room for that reason"
19:25:45 Selvarian: "True, but in the meantime, I suggest creating another room (I use "Poweridling") and sit in there."
19:26:01 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Dwarden, is there more to last weeks chat log?"
19:26:03 [BIS]BIOnicman: "right on the away pare and we allready have the option to make a room to sit and drooling mindlessly in"
19:26:07 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selvarian THIS is useless topic"
19:26:13 [ C `] Dwarden: "till we get Away mode"
19:26:25 [ C `] Dwarden: "because i'm mostly off in work and i run lobby and read history"
19:27:04 Radarrider: "Not to mention, when there is a mod afk in the room, players don't know that and most likely behave"
19:27:05 Selvarian: "OK. Fine by me. Next topic. Nebie chat room / companions... anyone doing anything with this?"
19:27:32 Selvarian: "c/Nebie/Newbie/"
19:27:43 [BIS]BIOnicman: "im happy to help but we need to set up a time table and get a mod list with timezones"
19:27:44 [el33t]captnsmooth: "nvrmind."
19:28:11 [ C `] Dwarden: "bio thats my point country language and timezone into in moderator profile"
19:28:18 [ C `] Dwarden: "from this u can generate table "
19:28:27 Chromix_: "there wouldn`t be that many questions if the RTFM =)"
19:28:41 Selvarian: "So, we're waiting on the profile fix for this?"
19:28:45 Selvarian: "..and the FAQ"
19:29:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "i think i rewrite faq in this or next week into czech"
19:29:25 [BIS]BIOnicman: "just a list on all mods in publich with icq/timezone/contact time/onilne time"
[MoA]Lord_Binary has entered the room...([MoA]Lord_Binary)
19:29:40 Selvarian: "This segways neatly into the last topic in that section: Public moderator list with languages and ICQ number listed."
19:30:05 [BIS]BIOnicman: "right one cant happen with out the other"
19:30:15 [ C `] Dwarden: "but i want present this week DarkSpace to some media on Fair in this city'"
19:30:17 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "right as i have suggested long ago"
19:30:37 Selvarian: "We can make such a list, but who wants to maintain it and where should it be kept?"
19:31:04 Selvarian: "..and how should it be presented to the players?"
19:31:12 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "once it is created sun can maintain it"
19:31:14 Radarrider: "perhaps listed in the moderator rules section"
19:31:19 [BIS]BIOnicman: "F just have to make room for it on the web site it can be used for any futore mod reply form to"
19:31:38 Selvarian: "That would work for me, BIO"
19:32:12 Selvarian: "Trouble is, we are gonna have to squeeze this into his schedule... and we all know how easy THAT is. )"
19:32:18 [Evil]Disgruntled Doug: "Thanks for letting me sit in...I'm gone"
19:32:31 Radarrider: "AFK"
19:32:33 Selvarian: "OK. I think we will have to table this until we get his input on it."
19:32:38 Selvarian: "Later, Doug."
19:32:39 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "@selv i know but he is the one who removes or add new mods"
19:32:40 [BIS]BIOnicman: "until then we make a manualy contact list in forum ok"
19:33:04 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "so let us make the table"
19:33:29 [BIS]BIOnicman: "best place is Newb forum or server or modartor all the above ?"
19:33:40 [BIS]BIOnicman: "and in the faq mabye"
19:33:56 Selvarian: "Sounds good. OK. We can skip down over some of the stuff we have touched on to move this along quicker. I want to bring the topic about the use of sexually-explicit lang in the chat"
19:34:04 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "or in the lobby a button where this list pops up"
19:34:12 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Selv - Can you just remind me what I was thinking for the help list? "
19:34:21 [BIS]BIOnicman: "something with balls "
19:34:52 Selvarian: "Nope. I told you all I recall. You will need to find the context in the log.."
19:35:00 [BIS]BIOnicman: "we should not stop players from having some fun so where do we draw the line ?"
19:35:14 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Hm, ok..."
19:35:16 [el33t]captnsmooth: "more fun for me "
19:35:18 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "big problem"
19:35:31 Selvarian: ""tuna tacos" seems to be the phrase of the week."
19:35:33 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "its often depend on the situation"
19:36:11 Selvarian: "How about "explicitly referring to genitalia and/or explicitly describing actions with such"."
19:36:12 Selvarian: "?"
19:36:27 [BIS]BIOnicman: "i saw a threat on kick from a mod just for saying something with balls "
19:36:59 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "no kick for such langiuage just a small warning "
19:37:16 [BIS]BIOnicman: "right my opinion"
19:37:40 [BIS]BIOnicman: "i would like th have an option to kick some in the ball emote wise "
19:37:41 Selvarian: "Well, how many times do you want to issue "small warnings"?"
19:37:49 [el33t]captnsmooth: "Ok found it "
19:37:50 [Evil]Evil Bob: "that's the problem with having so many different cultures represented on the Internet, what's offensive to people in the US is not offensive to people in the UK."
19:38:11 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "lets 3 times and then he is pushed maybe"
19:38:13 [el33t]captnsmooth: "I think I pretty much dug myself a grave when I said I'd make a help list "
BIO gives [el33t]captnsmooth... a big drink with an umbrella on ([BIS]BIOnicman)
19:38:31 [Evil]Evil Bob: "I like the 3 strike rule"
19:38:49 Selvarian: "Yes, that is true. I'm no prude, but I think we need to make a statement so that we are consistent in our handling with the language."
19:39:01 [ C `] Dwarden: "i warn user a lot"
19:39:04 [ C `] Dwarden: "if he not stop"
19:39:06 Selvarian: "handling of the foul language."
19:39:20 [ C `] Dwarden: "he see incoming cruising kick missile "
19:39:21 [el33t]captnsmooth: "I gotta go, see you guys later."
19:39:59 Selvarian: "I think that we will tend to embarass a lot of female players with the amount of foul language that goes on right now."
19:40:12 Selvarian: "Later, smooth"
19:40:31 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "right so we want to keep the community clean"
19:40:56 Selvarian: ""Kick in the balls" is ok, but "I want to lick your testicles" is going a little far."
19:41:05 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "how it will look like when player talk about "balls" while F is showing the game around"
19:41:39 Selvarian: "Chicken is toeing the line with his "ASS ON FIRE. BALLS CATCHING" emote..."
19:41:55 Selvarian: "It's funny, but..."
19:42:10 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "yes chicken and saveme are annoying with their emeotes"
19:42:18 [BIS]BIOnicman: "ok if ti get repeated to much then warning then out"
19:42:42 [Evil]Evil Bob: "I look at it like this, there are like 7 words that they don't say on public TV, those are the ones I give immediate warnings on. If they're joking with inuendos, I don't mind too much until it gets out of hand."
19:42:45 Selvarian: "OK. I can go for that. Cute once. Boring second time. Annoying third time and out."
19:43:04 Selvarian: "Yeah, but everyone's "out of hand" is different."
19:43:06 [BIS]BIOnicman: "right"
19:43:30 [Evil]Evil Bob: "very true, that's the cultural difference I was talking about."
19:43:38 [BIS]BIOnicman: "hmm but its so hard to difine it all depends on the mood of the movment"
19:43:51 [Evil]Evil Bob: "Selv and I are both old farts, what's out of hand for us man not be for the younger guys."
19:44:02 [BIS]BIOnicman: "if all int the chat is fooloing around its ok"
19:44:22 Selvarian: "Even in the same culture, there are wide disparities. Anyway. I'll see if I can formulate some more language to cover this. Good input!"
19:44:23 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "right here comes the minimum age into play"
19:44:40 [Evil]Evil Bob: "not necessariy Spirit"
19:44:55 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "i'm also 23 and stand above many insults"
19:44:55 Selvarian: "THe only other thing I want to bring up is what anyone thinks about the RoC that Dwarden and I have put together."
19:45:31 [BIS]BIOnicman: "its loong we shoul have the short version to point to also"
19:45:50 [BIS]BIOnicman: "took me 10 -15 min to read the thing ,9"
19:45:57 [ C `] Dwarden: "i stated for game play its needed something like 18+ and younger with parents agreement (or we can change it 15+ and your with parents)"
19:46:15 [BIS]BIOnicman: "but either way it goes as water proff"
19:46:22 [ C `] Dwarden: "15+ is fine and younger need guarding aproval"
19:46:28 Selvarian: "Hmm. The "abridged" version. OK. I'll see what I can do for that. Simplify it back down to what it was before."
19:46:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv something like mine one line rule"
19:46:56 [ C `] Dwarden: "one line = one or more rules in"
19:47:09 [ C `] Dwarden: "u click on that line and u will be moved to detailed list"
19:47:09 [BIS]BIOnicman: "keep the extended version make one summing it up in 10 - 15 lines"
19:47:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "of course detailed list is law"
19:47:35 Selvarian: "Yep. I can handle that."
19:47:42 [ C `] Dwarden: "we all know kill person is breaking law"
19:47:47 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "the longer it is the fewer will read it"
19:47:52 [ C `] Dwarden: "but in justice this law have 1000 lines"
19:48:02 Selvarian: "What about the language in the long version? Any obvious holes/mistakes/etc?"
19:48:16 [ C `] Dwarden: "selv not noticed"
19:48:17 Selvarian: "Omissions?"
19:48:27 [BIS]BIOnicman: "my point it took all my streanght to read it and have to read it again to take notes "
19:48:44 Selvarian: "Well, if you find any, post them in the forum."
19:49:04 [ C `] Dwarden: "bio use my list as points and selv list as exaplaining "
19:49:10 [BIS]BIOnicman: "right place to do that"
19:49:29 [ C `] Dwarden: "i'm sure we made good RoC together "
19:49:31 Selvarian: "Yeah. However, when I read one of those, I don't want to memorize it; I just keep mindful of the differences between it and my normal behaviour."
19:50:00 [BIS]BIOnicman: "i think its fine"
19:50:14 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv it was long to read but nothing strange to see"
19:50:24 [ C `] Dwarden: "only size is problem ..."
19:50:31 Selvarian: "I may end up consolidating on some points and it will definitely be reorged better..."
19:50:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "its same as with advertising ...anything longer as 5 lines is not effective"
19:51:14 Selvarian: "If many of the points are easy to find and identify, then it may be easier to swallow."
19:51:53 [Evil]Evil Bob: "a reader's digest condensed version, if the player wants the full whammy, provide a link to the full document"
19:52:25 [ C `] Dwarden: "evil exact this we have in mind "
19:52:29 [BIS]BIOnicman: "surgestion : lets move the last issues to the next meeting "
19:52:35 [ C `] Dwarden: "oki another point to discuss ?"
19:52:47 [MoA]Spiritofthenight: "not from me"
19:52:58 [PS]sunshine: "sorry, had an important phone call .."
19:53:02 [PS]sunshine: "sorry again"
19:53:14 [Evil]Evil Bob: "no prob"
19:53:20 [BIS]BIOnicman: "ohh "
19:54:01 Selvarian: "Well, we're not advertising here. This is like the rules of a game. Most people already know most of them and they should take the time to be sure they understand the rules."
19:54:07 [BIS]BIOnicman: "2 hour meeting must be the limmit im falling down my chair as we speak"
19:54:49 Selvarian: "Besides. As long as we say ignorance of the rules is no excuse, and point them in the direction of the RoC whenever they break them, it doesn't matter how long they are."
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| Posted: 2001-10-16 00:16
ok this is bad i keep trying to get into the bloody meeting but i seem to keep missing them
LOL maybe i need someone to hold my hand and walk me there
Bah I'll be at the next one just wish this time zone diferance could be fixed with like and Auto email to the Mods to remind them.
sorry i missed it again
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| Posted: 2001-10-16 04:18
@h@voc: actualy ive been there but dont ask me what the whole content was..... *g*
TG we have the log 
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