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From: *CLASSIFIED*
|  Posted: 2004-03-17 11:46
Im not sure what the reason behind it is, or whats causing it but this one point is beginning to be the number #1 complaint I have for this new version.
Dont get me wrong, I truely like 95% of the changes (other than being semi-nerfed, but I knew it was coming)
I prefer the speed and manuevarability of a destroyer .... Drainer mainly. It cant handle allot of damage now with the armor tweaks, but I just like to pilot it. The advantage of having a speedy ship is that I can dodge incoming fire, torps and fighter flack. The new version has a tendency to "Hang" for a few seconds, here you can do squat but sit back and enjoy the view.
And now Im getting delayed Ejumps ... you hit the button and .... "Noda" your SOL with no system damage.
this has also been a reason why some of my planet collisins have been rising. Ill orbit a planet and decide to move to the other side to get out of the line of fire and controls will lock and boom .... I try and land on the planet.
3-5 seconds of zero ship control can mean a sweet kill, a tactical retreat .. or becoming Gaifen food.
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Faustus
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Joined: May 29, 2001
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From: Austin, Texas
| Posted: 2004-03-17 13:39
Arch,
Basically, hidden in this latest version was a dramatic change in the way data was sent between the servers and the clients...
In the previous version, when you turned your ship, your client applied the changed locally and sent the verb (packet) onto the server as well, which was subject to the same lag your now actually seeing...
Now, when you turn your ship, the command is sent to the server first, then the server sends it back to the client. This solves 2 things, firstly it fixed the syncronization issues... secondly now you can actually see the lag between your client and the server, instead of it being hidden and you being oblivious to any connection problems.
Use the A/S/D keys to steer or switch to the other turning system (Alt-Y while in the tactical screen)...
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Coeus {NCX-Charger}
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Joined: February 16, 2004
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From: South Philly
| Posted: 2004-03-17 21:40
I do use the ASD keys to pilot - have this problem alot. Most annoying while least deadly is when the controls lock up just after exiting a wormhole (happens about 1 in 5 WH jumps) and I re-enter because I'm locked in a hard starboard turn.
Think I rather liked the old way - better to not notice lag than have it slam you in the face 
[Edit] Oh, and I really don't like the no-yaw flying... just doesn't work for me. I crash more with that then I do from lag.[/Edit]
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UnknownWarrior
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Joined: July 18, 2002
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From: North Carolina, USA
| Posted: 2004-03-17 21:45
This is true, ill go along one path for a few moments, trying to turn to fire Forward Weapons on my AD, but even with my A,S,D controls, it STILL locks for like at least 7 seconds max before it starts turning again
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Joined: January 21, 2002
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From: Redmond,WA,USA
| Posted: 2004-03-17 23:16
I find that although on your screen you slide all over the place, the path you actually take is perfectly consistent with the keys you press.
Since what you see in 1.481 is currently so freaked out, I find that I pilot beter if I don't pay specific attention to my ship, since its misleading.
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Coeus {NCX-Charger}
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From: South Philly
| Posted: 2004-03-17 23:19
Good advice, but I'm far too visual a person to rely on piloting instincts by control presses alone. Maybe with a stick & rudder, but I can't afford those 
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Pope
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From: World of tomorrow
| Posted: 2004-03-18 02:09
But..
If its like F described, then Why does the ship crash?
Take this situation for example. you approach a planet at 10 gu/s and hold A.
The turn indicator goes to a full left turn. The Ship doesnt react.
This Ship hits the planet surface and instantly blows up.
While travelling to the planet you unload inf/ fire weapons and the effect is not lagged. Your internet connection is stable.
Explanation?
(EDIT: Of oucrse it is like F said, i wanted to express that there is probably more to it)
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Diabo|ik
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From: Quebec, Canada
| Posted: 2004-03-18 02:23
Wish the old code was still in use.... this "lag" is very annoying, especially in the MV, in GA or Newbserv it isnt so bad.
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From: World of tomorrow
| Posted: 2004-03-18 02:29
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On 2004-03-17 21:45, Iroquois wrote:
This is true, ill go along one path for a few moments, trying to turn to fire Forward Weapons on my AD, but even with my A,S,D controls, it STILL locks for like at least 7 seconds max before it starts turning again
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And this is another problem that expecially hits capital ships..
Allow me to claim that im a pretty good assault class dread pilot, and ive found it VERY irritating not to be able to use my front arc weapons when it was the whole point of my manoever..
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| Posted: 2004-03-18 07:10
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On 2004-03-17 13:39, Faustus wrote:
Use the A/S/D keys to steer or switch to the other turning system (Alt-Y while in the tactical screen)...
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That doesnt fix anything...
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From: *CLASSIFIED*
| Posted: 2004-03-18 08:40
Im sorry Faustus, but I dont buy that.
If your saying its just the lag we DIDNT see before then why do we die when hitting a planet, or when torps slam into you.
This is a 'ship' control lockup not assosiated with lag or whatever you want to call it.
Ill be locked and take dammage all at the same time. Maybe Lag isnt the correct word for it.
I believe we are talking about 2 different issues my friend.
If your saying the 1.480 had the same thing we just couldnt see it, I beg to differe, because I could steer out of planet collisions, torps, missles and whatever was on my butt. This version you cant do anything for 3-5 seconds.
I just ask you to look into it alittle further and please dont dismiss it. Something is different and is causing alot of frustration
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| Posted: 2004-03-18 09:18
I also experience this "zero-control" lag where everythingelse is happening but none of my commands are received (including msgs). It ranges anywhere from 3~10 seconds for my case...periodically. My planet crashes has rised dramatically because of it. This used to happend to all the new servers but 2 days ago there was an update and somehow the lag problem improved dramtically (and most of the time disappeared all together) in the MV.....but i still get it in GA and the newbie server (esp the newbie server).
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Gideon
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From: Oregon, USA
| Posted: 2004-03-19 10:55
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On 2004-03-18 02:09, sono wrote:
But..
If its like F described, then Why does the ship crash?
Take this situation for example. you approach a planet at 10 gu/s and hold A.
The turn indicator goes to a full left turn. The Ship doesnt react.
This Ship hits the planet surface and instantly blows up.
While travelling to the planet you unload inf/ fire weapons and the effect is not lagged. Your internet connection is stable.
Explanation?
(EDIT: Of oucrse it is like F said, i wanted to express that there is probably more to it)
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Because the command has to go TO the server before it actually functions. If that is where there is a connection issue, then you will not be able to turn your ship, and you will merrily fly into the planet. You see this happen, because the client side is drawing things based on vector and location that has been sent to it from the servers. That's why if you get a serious disco, you see ships circling, sitting still, or traveling in a straight line forever. The client side is still rendering things based off of location and vector it last recieved from the servers.
So, the command isn't getting to the server, and then when you crash, the server pushes down a "you crashed" thing.
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From: *CLASSIFIED*
| Posted: 2004-03-19 11:04
thanks for the reply ..... sure sounds like you guys have another bug to squash to me.
Ive been seeing more and more phantom ships going round and round in circles lately also.
I will be very happy with this version if you could fix this issue !!
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Dempster
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Posts: 668
| Posted: 2004-03-19 12:25
This turning lag has killed me multiple times and im getting sick of it... lost 3 bombers cause i couldnt turn out
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