On 2005-10-14 06:18, DOM700 [-IMO-] wrote:

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On 2005-10-14 05:03, Azreal wrote: I see 3 people in the MV atm. So what, w/o anyone else here, are they only supposed to build? Who are U to decide that?

One year ago most times I was in the MV I was only doing PCM bombing

On 2005-10-14 11:36, Mandator wrote:
Lone bombers wiping planet after planet that each take roughly an hour to complete and then leaving is really not something I understand.

Az, just now you and Sauur were in Ganglias. At the point where we had the fewest ships, there was a battle dread, a picket destroyer and a torpedo cruiser all chasing you around. That did almost nothing to impede your progress. Having combat ships respond to bombers is what I would call defending. As for not bother to capture planets you've just attacked; if you're not bombing with the intent to capture, gain ground and move forward, then why are you bombing?

On 2005-10-14 16:55, Azreal wrote:
nope. I logged in and found 3 systems wiped and only the one or two customary planet caps that help u refuel and continue. So I figured, lets see how they like it, and went with Sauur and wiped out 6 sysytems in retribution. It was fun listening to all 5 of the next kluth who logged in over the next 2 hours asking where the ship yards were. I suppose, until you fellows stop running into our systems and wasting them, I'll just have to do the same.

Now, true, for a change, I saw some folks trying to actually stop us. Was cool. Fun. Great fun. But funny. I never got beaconed, and I never once saw a dictor. You are on the right track fellas, but still new to the game, I'm afraid. I do encourage you to keep trying tho, I really do. You provided some pretty good fun for Sauur and I, as well as some interesting cross continent TSing.

See, Nim woulda brought some dictor ladden with 2000 beacons. Ya'll brought a TC and a BD. I did see a scout. All of you PJ'd within 120 gu's of me at some point. I waited for that tell tale red circle of death that beacons are. But never saw it. So in this case, it was merely blind luck on my part, or at least partially tactical on ya'lls.

So. If you are tired of seeing vast wastlands of green , stay outa our systems. That simple. I'm content to nibble at the fringe, and draw out some type of combat engagement. Ruin the day by bombing everything in 3 systems, and every ship yard you can find, and I'll be obliged to return the favor. Today was revenge for DP, Groom, and Sirius, all wasted, but not more than 8 planets capped in total.

On 2005-10-14 12:25, DOM700 [-IMO-] wrote:

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On 2005-10-14 11:36, Mandator wrote: Lone bombers wiping planet after planet that each take roughly an hour to complete and then leaving is really not something I understand.

I tried that once, it's actually quite funny to leave some systems with planets, where nature has the upper hand

@Jack Jumpcruiser (you ICC noob ), which has much better arcs, and was still able to cover the PCMs with 5 missiles

On 2005-10-13 18:33, Smartin wrote:

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On 2005-10-13 16:40, shine wrote: I'll also add I do laugh at any defense bases that are not Kluth=) Kluth defense is much stronger and gets me to think twice=)

A UGTO bomber can wipe out a kluth planet with out getting any closer than 900-1000gu away from it.

I agree with Deadlus and Jack. Should take more than one Ship.



[ This Message was edited by: Smartin on 2005-10-13 18:44 ]

On 2005-10-14 16:55, Azreal wrote:
Now, true, for a change, I saw some folks trying to actually stop us. Was cool. Fun. Great fun. But funny. I never got beaconed, and I never once saw a dictor.

On 2005-10-13 16:00, Arcanum {C?} wrote:
Let's not analyze this anecdotally, as this tends to involve personal experiences, which lead to emotional attachment and thus bias.

Let's examine the comparative bombing strengths and weaknesses of each faction factually.

(In the following comparisons, I assume the bombers are able to access all relevant bombing ships and are also reasonably competent. Thus, if one cannot understand how the techniques below are accomplished, then that person is unfortunately not in a position to make credible comments about this topic.)

UGTO

With the right ships and techniques, a single UGTO bomber can, in one run:

• Use neutron bombs to reduce a planet's population and units to zero.
  
• Use MiRVs to wipe an unshielded planet.
  
• Use MiRVs to wipe a 100% shielded planet.
  
• Use MiRVs to wipe 2/3rd of the structures of a 150% shielded planet.
  
• Use Fighters to substantially wipe an unshielded planet.
  
• Use Fighters to substantially wipe a 100% shielded planet.
  
• Use Fighters to substantially wipe a 150% shielded planet.
  
• Use Fighters to partially wipe a 175% shielded planet.

Comments: UGTO bombers have substantial difficulty in approaching properly built K'luth defense planets, but have no need to shield their bombs against a K'luth planet. UGTO bombers wishing to bomb a ICC planet must display some level of skill and timing.


ICC

With the right ships and techniques, a single ICC bomber can, in one run:

• Use neutron bombs to reduce a planet's population and units to zero.
  
• Use MiRVs to wipe an unshielded planet.
  
• Use MiRVs to wipe a 100% shielded planet.
  
• Use MiRVs to wipe a 150% shielded planet.
  
• Use MiRVs to wipe a 175% shielded planet.
  
• Use Fighters to substantially wipe an unshielded planet.
  
• Use Fighters to substantially wipe a 100% shielded planet.
  
• Use Fighters to partially wipe a 150% shielded planet.

Comments: ICC bombers have moderate difficulty in approaching properly built K'luth or UGTO defense planets, but have no need to shield their bombs against a K'luth planet.



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In summary, from a faction perspective, we can make the following statements:

• UGTO have the best fighter-bombing options, and good cloud-bombing options.
  
• ICC have decent fighter-bombing options, and the best cloud-bombing options.
  
• K'luth have decent fighter-bombing options, and poor cloud-bombing options, BUT can bomb with higher stealth and safety.

Each faction has its advantages and disadvantages. Take your pick.

[ This Message was edited by: Arcanum {C?} on 2005-10-13 16:09 ]