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Drafell
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Mythica
Joined: May 30, 2003
Posts: 2449
From: United Kingdom
|  Posted: 2006-01-16 18:13
this is a slighlty edited log of the chat some people had with Tael about DS earlier today.
Enjoy.
21:39:44 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "ugto mirving again"
21:39:59 [-[R]-]Lacro: "bleh"
21:40:40 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "70% of the planets and they still feel the need to mirv"
21:41:05 JinHon: "spawn"
21:41:06 JinHon: ":p"
21:41:10 [-[R]-]Lacro: "who is it bombing?"
21:41:13 JinHon: "hey man"
21:41:13 SpawnX01: "hey"
21:41:18 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "idk"
21:41:20 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "just went on"
21:41:23 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "lac has been flattened"
21:41:27 [Admin]Tael: "yeah, i am going to lower the damage from bombs that should balance things back out."
21:41:28 SpawnX01: "were to"
21:41:32 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "so ima go flatten a few ugto systems now"
21:41:39 [Admin]Tael: "and change the bombers layouts."
21:41:40 [NaughtyBadFun]Doran: "omg tael"
21:41:45 [NaughtyBadFun]Doran: "hi2yuo"
21:41:48 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "yay"
21:41:56 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "tael, any chance the cloak time could be lowered"
21:42:01 [-[R]-]Lacro: "Nice to hear Tael, when will this be taking place?"
21:42:01 [Admin]Tael: "i've been here for an hour, noone saw me"
21:42:03 [-GTN-]Enterprise: "Whoh there Tael, where did you come from?"
21:42:19 [*BUM*]James Bum 007: "I saw you"
21:42:24 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "ello"
21:42:29 [-[R]-]Lacro: "It helps that you are hidden Tael"
21:42:30 [Admin]Tael: "i was just /away and watching to see who would notice"
21:42:32 [*BUM*]James Bum 007: "but since you were away I did not bother you."
21:43:02 [-GTN-]Enterprise: "I was busy making my current sig. =("
21:43:06 [*BUM*]James Bum 007: "when are you making that change Tael?"
21:43:14 [Admin]Tael: "well i wanted to do stuff in november before i took off for a month, but F said he was going to do something. so i held off"
* [-[R]-]Lacro feels like an idiot
21:43:49 [Admin]Tael: "it appears nothing has changed, so i am moving forward, i am remapping all the devices in a spreadsheet and redoing them all."
21:43:49 [-[R]-]Crim {Fear}: "Is faust still alive?"
* [-[R]-]Crim {Fear} gives [Admin]Tael a great big hug...
21:44:26 [*BUM*]James Bum 007: "take the iniciative Tael, make some changes"
21:44:31 [Admin]Tael: "He wants upgrade paths, so only like devices can replace like devices..."
21:44:37 [*BUM*]James Bum 007: "we are dieng here as Kluth"
* [-[R]-]Lacro begins applauding [Admin]Tael...
21:45:05 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "flying scale is funny"
21:45:11 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "only fires forwards, no front armour"
21:45:51 [Admin]Tael: "he is also throwing out the resources and going back to just 1 resource type"
21:46:06 [-[R]-]Crim {Fear}: "Yeah, saw that in beta"
21:46:08 [Admin]Tael: "that much i know"
21:46:15 [-[R]-]Crim {Fear}: ":) It was nice"
21:46:26 [Admin]Tael: "i am going to spend time in beta later to see what he has done before i read over the code"
21:46:40 [Admin]Tael: "i just got 3dsmax back on my system"
21:47:02 [Admin]Tael: "i am going to press on him to add another planet type, Toxic, though dont know if he will go for it."
21:47:13 [-[R]-]Crim {Fear}: "As far as I know, modding has been removed in beta, and the resources have been changed"
21:47:17 [Admin]Tael: "lets face it, Venus is not a "Terran" planet. lol"
21:47:35 [NaughtyBadFun]Doran: "toxic... nifty"
21:47:36 [Admin]Tael: "yeah we wanted moddding pulled for now"
21:47:42 [-[R]-]Crim {Fear}: "Heh"
21:47:43 [Admin]Tael: "now ships hulls set device level"
21:47:50 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "eh?"
21:47:54 [Admin]Tael: "so a scout has level 1 lasers and a dread level 8"
21:48:02 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "oh"
21:48:18 [-GTN-]Enterprise: "Can we make beams worth a damn now?"
21:48:36 [-[R]-]Crim {Fear}: "If it fixes the whole Picket dessie being more powerfull than a battle dread, im all for it"
21:48:37 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "kill beacons"
21:49:05 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "fix EAD plez!!!! not energy sucker"
21:49:21 [-[R]-]Crim {Fear}: "Only thing I want to see again, Public Dev meetings o.O"
21:49:39 [Admin]Tael: "beams should do moderate damage, cause power drain, and require no ammo so you can stay unsupported in battle, projectiles should do heavy damage, low power drain, but require ammo so you need support"
21:49:41 [-[R]-]Lacro: "Where people actually show up"
21:49:45 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "sposed to be one in 4 days"
21:50:02 [Admin]Tael: "kill the supports and they ammo hungry ships flee or die"
21:50:17 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "ugto sups are mean though"
21:50:21 [*CEC*]Nim *FL*: "btw why do cannons have such a long range?"
21:50:21 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "lol"
21:50:43 [Admin]Tael: "well the current ship layouts were done by gideon and he was a staunch UGTO player."
21:51:03 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "wonderful"
21:51:06 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: ":P"
21:51:07 [-GTN-]Enterprise: "Well, there should be artillery like cannons and rapid-fire like cannons really."
21:51:14 [*CEC*]Nim *FL*: "level 10 particle cannons has around 3.5k gu range"
21:51:35 [Admin]Tael: "lol, things changed since i last looked at the code."
21:51:56 [Admin]Tael: "the only thing that should go 2k besides pcm's should be core weapons"
* [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1* feels very happy to have a adm here 
21:52:12 [Admin]Tael: "which i am thinking of removing"
21:52:18 [NaughtyBadFun]Doran: "o/"
* [-[R]-]Crim {Fear} giggles at [Admin]Tael...
21:52:31 [-GTN-]Enterprise: "YES"
21:52:33 [-GTN-]Enterprise: ""THANK GOD"
21:52:36 [-GTN-]Enterprise: "I WILL HUMP YOUR LEG"
21:52:42 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "lol"
21:52:53 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "then give me a gang at VA and all shall be nwell with the world  "
* [-[R]-]Crim {Fear} @74050 sent to Friends: "At least tael still cares "
21:53:03 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "and plez ermove that flux wave slot its useless"
21:53:07 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "remove"
21:53:09 [*BUM*]James Bum 007: "well time to go home"
21:53:18 [*CEC*]Nim *FL*: "i find it useful"
21:53:24 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "for what?"
21:53:30 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "it dont killl onf"
21:53:31 Myth: "for fluxin"
21:53:33 [-[R]-]Lacro: "Tael, kluth are gimped in lower ranked ships so they have noe chance in newbie or admiral"
21:53:34 Myth: ":P"
21:53:34 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "inf"
21:53:35 [Admin]Tael: "flux wave should be used when their armor and shields are down"
21:53:37 [*CEC*]Nim *FL*: "kills inf in space and hurts systems once armor is down"
21:53:45 [Admin]Tael: "you time it right it will knock out their systems"
21:53:46 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "lol myth"
21:53:52 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "luth are gimped in every ship  "
21:54:00 Myth: "flux works"
21:54:00 [CSF]Likkarn: "Wassup ppl?"
21:54:08 [*CEC*]Nim *FL*: "i fluxed a dred right under him and i think that knocked out his jd"
21:54:12 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "never worked for me"
21:54:15 Myth: "right only when shield and armor is down"
21:54:17 [-[R]-]Lacro: "I am not doing bad with the scale except for the small armor on fore"
21:54:19 [Admin]Tael: "well i know i had to change the new kluth dread i made cause it was too powerful lol"
21:54:24 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "fluxed lvl 10 in my styation and it landed anyways"
21:54:25 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "yea"
21:54:30 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "and all the weps point forwards"
21:54:36 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "with doesn't help lolol"
21:54:59 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "what about the uhm lgboat/agincourt "
21:55:07 Myth: "which is the new dread of kluths?"
21:55:07 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "and the armor stuff? ICC complains a lot of it"
21:55:30 [*CEC*]Nim *FL*: "lgboat?"
* [*CEC*]Smartin *SL2* waves to everyone in the lobby
21:55:36 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "lag*"
21:55:47 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "lol lag ion lobby"
21:56:05 [Admin]Tael: "i also want to try and get a change made to stars and solar gens, so each star mass / type has a different solar power range and base."
21:56:13 Myth: "damn i should join a fleet :/"
21:56:24 [Admin]Tael: "so the closer to the star the more solar power you get."
* [-[R]-]Crim {Fear} recruits Myth...
21:56:41 [*CEC*]Nim *FL*: "no one uses solar anymore ever since nicea went away"
21:56:41 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "sounds good"
21:56:47 [Admin]Tael: "the farther away the less you get from solar power."
21:56:51 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "better than a planet thats only operational half the time "
21:57:05 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "solar sucks"
21:57:12 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "varience rocks"
21:57:29 [-[R]-]Crim {Fear}: "Solar generators on a ship would rule!..er..uh"
21:57:39 [*CEC*]Nim *FL*: "come join us if ya want myth"
21:57:41 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "lol"
* [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1* gonna take u to sanatory
21:57:49 [-GTN-]Enterprise: "It would be nice to see the individual turrets on ships."
21:58:20 Myth: "k"
21:58:23 [*CEC*]RonZo *SL1*: "hate cloacking"
21:58:32 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "hate cloaking?"
21:58:41 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "we have no armnour and cloaking is barely effective "
21:58:45 [Admin]Tael: "1 sec looking for something"
22:10:25 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "if i decloak to fire im almost certasin to lose my front arc and maybe get beaconed"
22:10:32 [NaughtyBadFun]Drafell: "but it still seems to be tied into the ecm system just differently"
22:10:36 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "ine chance for 10% armour off the enemy ship"
22:10:37 [*CEC*]Smartin *SL2*: "does anyone use Teamspeak anymore?"
22:11:01 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "which results in 0 pres"
22:11:01 [*BUM*]Topbum (Eng): "yep"
22:11:05 [Admin]Tael: "hmm maybe we cripple the kluth side and rear armor and boost their fore"
22:11:26 [Admin]Tael: "then it would be back to hit and fade tactics and give you a chance as long as noone gets behind or to your side"
22:11:31 [NaughtyBadFun]Doran: "could work.."
22:11:39 [*BUM*]Cataclysmic Bum: "would be different"
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Joined: July 19, 2004
Posts: 90
| Posted: 2006-01-16 18:32
More talk from the developers. I hope everyone has learned not to trust what the developers say.
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Galactic Navy
Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2006-01-16 18:57
Hm...
That talk is all well and great...
But for UGTO, all of those pretty much need to be ignored. Everyone knows UGTO = damage over time, which means their projectiles should stay the same as they are right now (require high energy, and have no ammo). Since UGTO are supposed to have the most energy of all ships (no organic crap or shields to drain anything), it supports the fact they are supposed to do the most damage over time.
For beams, damage needs to be the highest (higher than discruptors) at close range, but poor at long range. This will make the EAD, yet again, a feared ship in battle. Not just some easy prestige for a scout.
For kluth, do those armour changes (but do not give them more, force them into hit and run), but for gods sake, stop the beacons from stopping them cloaking. Just make it add a base signature so it takes them longer to cloak (and REMOVE the ambient engine sound WHEN cloaked)). That should make them what they should be.
As far as ICC go. They're pretty much perfect, EXCEPT, their shields are uberly borked (far, far too superior), and they can use UGTO armour. Remove those aspects, you return ICC to what it's supposed to be (you ICC should stop modding long range ships for close range battle!).
As far as core weapons go...
Do it, now. They add nothing to the game.
And I'll poke in the fact that the EAD is now utterly useless for the following reasons.
Has the most power hungry weapons in the game.
Has the least power in the game (UGTO ship, most power hungry ship... It's supposed to be able to sustain fire in combat for almost forever)
Meant to be the most damaging of the UGTO ships.
Six fore torps, TWO REAR?
Has tons of beams. Beams do crap damage.
AD has energy, but, not really enough, although 5 reactors is a god send compaired to the EAD's 3 (makes no sense), and the siphon has SIX reactors, and can fire it's core weapon till the cows come home, and will never run dry of energy.
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Borgie
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Pitch Black
Joined: August 15, 2005
Posts: 2256
From: close by
| Posted: 2006-01-16 19:38
well said jack, its good thing that a dev still cares about this game and well hopefuly changes will come.
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DOM700 [-IMO-]
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Joined: July 26, 2001
Posts: 3175
From: Eckental, Germany, Sol-System
| Posted: 2006-01-17 01:27
got agree with borgie, thx Teal for your work
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Lord DowneyBUM (UK)
Fleet Admiral
Joined: January 13, 2003
Posts: 437
From: London England
| Posted: 2006-01-17 04:26
Make the changes and see if it works,
it has got to be better than the current state of play.
Go with it. Teal.
Make it so.
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Light-of-Aurora
Grand Admiral
Joined: December 01, 2003
Posts: 602
From: NJ, USA
| Posted: 2006-01-17 06:10
Sorry for being dumb...
When is this going to happen again?
?:| <----- me = clueless newbie
Edit:
Just wondering, do you pronounce 'Tael' like "tay'l", or "ta'el" ?
[ This Message was edited by: [AD]Light-of-Aurora on 2006-01-17 06:15 ]
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Galactic Navy
Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2006-01-17 06:16
"Tayl"
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Koda
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Fatal Squadron
Joined: August 29, 2002
Posts: 1384
| Posted: 2006-01-17 07:17
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21:44:31 [Admin]Tael: "He wants upgrade paths, so only like devices can replace like devices..." Nice
21:47:02 [Admin]Tael: "i am going to press on him to add another planet type, Toxic, though dont know if he will go for it." Woot!
21:47:17 [Admin]Tael: "lets face it, Venus is not a "Terran" planet. lol"
21:51:07 [-GTN-]Enterprise: "Well, there should be artillery like cannons and rapid-fire like cannons really." Exactly
21:51:56 [Admin]Tael: "the only thing that should go 2k besides pcm's should be core weapons"
21:52:12 [Admin]Tael: "which i am thinking of removing" Increase the charge times?
21:56:05 [Admin]Tael: "i also want to try and get a change made to stars and solar gens, so each star mass / type has a different solar power range and base."
21:56:24 [Admin]Tael: "so the closer to the star the more solar power you get."
21:56:47 [Admin]Tael: "the farther away the less you get from solar power."
21:57:29 [-[R]-]Crim {Fear}: "Solar generators on a ship would rule!..er..uh" That would be FN awesome!!!
21:57:49 [-GTN-]Enterprise: "It would be nice to see the individual turrets on ships." Get er done!
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Smartin
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Joined: August 04, 2005
Posts: 1107
From: Michigan
| Posted: 2006-01-17 08:16
Just let me know if you need help BETA testing.
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HaVoX
Fleet Admiral
Joined: September 07, 2003
Posts: 269
From: Florida whoo hoo
| Posted: 2006-01-17 09:06
Ok I'm not gonna get into what needs changed on factions I'm not a part of, there are plenty of players on those factions who are very vocal on that part as well as what other factions need. So here is what I have to say on the luth.
First, Cloaks, we need to be able to fire as soon as were visable, once we decloak there is a 2 to 5 second period where we can not fire, bomb, or drop inf while were being smoked by planets or players. Make it to where we can fire as soon as visable, or when we fire or fire the first shot we become visable till our weapons recharge (energy drain on cloak and all). we could also have a charge time on the cloaking device as well. That allows for the hit and run tactics of the luth with out making cloaks over powerful.
Fix the armor, dont take it from the rear to add to the front, just make it stronger. Right now its like paper, possiably create a buildable at a factory upgrade (chiton perhaps) that allows for better protection but less mobility (but to much less we have the worst turning of any of the ships as well)
ruptors and torps are fine, when they hit, I'm good with that luth were designed to get in close nail the enemy and run like heck, they never needed great tracking as they prefer to get to near point blank ranges.
Beacons are a joke, the luth dont just turn invisable, there is a cloak field that surrounds the ship canceling engine emissions, comunications, and anything else that would allow a ship to be detectable. It ridiculas to belive a race that developed that tech would not be able to cancel a beacons ablity to transmit once the cloak is activated.
Now before anyone flames over the cloaks and beacons, remember, with ECM the ugto is as invisable as the cloaks and in some cases better as they still have a weapons free status. Go fig how a faction designed to hide cant hide as well as one meant to come in swinging and slug it out to the death.
Just my thoughts
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DarkScorpion
Marshal
Sanity Assassins
Joined: September 14, 2004
Posts: 237
From: London England
| Posted: 2006-01-17 09:14
i hope they boost kluth armour a bit more still should be weaker than the other factions also cut down beacon active time length and the amount you can stack as at the moment kluth are just hunted like the ai trannies of old for easy pres because of our gank armour sorting out the eccm pinging would be much needed and maybe a dreadnought class ship at va
and make human tech for humans and kluth tech left to us so we can be whant we are ment to be once again a stealth faction which cant sustain long engagements but can kill ship classes below ours
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Crim
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Sundered Weimeriners
Joined: March 16, 2003
Posts: 1336
| Posted: 2006-01-17 09:18
I coughed and my armor went to 57%..:/
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Galactic Navy
Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2006-01-17 10:01
Haha, it's paper because you keep uncloaked and try to get off more than one alpha...
That isn't how kluth are meant to play..
You uncloak, you fire, you recloak. Your armour is supposed to take a slight beating during that time but you're meant to do more damage to them in one alpha than they have to you. By the time you recharge and go in for another attack, your armour will be repaired back up to what it was, or a good percentage of what it was (if you tag team with other kluth players, you actualy get a longer repair time, so your armour goes up higher).
THAT is how kluth are meant to play. When I log onto my kluth account, I have no problem teaming up with one or two select people and obliterating anyone we see. It's quite simple really.
You're NOT meant to duke it out with human ships. One alpha, then you get out. Don't like it? Select a faction that fits the play style you want.
- Jack
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HaVoX
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Joined: September 07, 2003
Posts: 269
From: Florida whoo hoo
| Posted: 2006-01-17 10:25
I like the luth, but again becons make going cloaked again rather dificult in the present release, as well as the fact that u can have all the alphas you want, our weapons do not make it past sheilds or armor to reach hull and thus gain pres in a alpha. If you manage to get away with out being beconed on your first attack you wont on the second. Also the only thing self repair does for you better then ugot armor and shield regen is fix your hull, our armor does not repair fast enough for it to be a signifgent factor in relying on alpha attacks to destroy a enemy. We fight a constant battle of attrition, which as a faction we are pretty good at make you all pay for all the planets you cap reguardless of what we do to stop you.
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