On 2006-02-16 08:05, [AÐ]Light-of-Aurora wrote:
Sorry if it's too off topic but..
I notice people are talking about adding things, and wondered..
What if we lowered the amount of armor on all ships?
And K'luth had no armor, but had their .480 cloak, and extremely high damage weapons..

On 2006-02-15 16:50, Ase wrote:

It would be nice if each faction had tech that no other faction can fit on their ships that are absolutly awsome and that fits their factions main strength, but they don't really (barring dread/station only ones)

flux wave, flux cannon, gauss guns, pulse shield, fighters, core weapons, aux shield gens (if they're still in) cloak, auto hull repair, most kluth tech (see above), sabots (will probably be icc only) torpedoes (mostly faction only, see above), emp partical cannons and railguns (will probably be faction only respectivly). things like IT missiles, AR, pulse beams, chem lasers, reactors, drives, scanners, eccm, ecm, tractors, beacons will still be common on either faction

I do believe pulse beams should be ICC since they are ICC tech


Also, becons are a problem. What they do is fine, but the time on them is what really hurts the kluth. Becons time limit needs to be toned down A LOT. Make it a 15-20, maybe 30 second thing. Make people have to decide how to limit themselves on using them, not mashing the space bar firing 2+ becons per shot, what's max level give, 20 becons? Give them a long reload or something or the above mentioned change.

beacons are also in for some changes, what those will be are debatable. as it stands now, beacons have their own slot in ships equiped with them, and beacons can not be changed to or from any other item

also I say that beacons should come off once the ship that beaconed you has docked left a certan range or destoryed... also i say If a UGTO ship beacons a ship only the UGTO should be able to see it since the beacon is most likley transmitting the beacon code... just a thought.

What is it people find to hard to understand about Kluth ?

You're not meant to have a lot of armour to duke it out. You're meant to have a small amount of armour to force you into hit and run tactics. You're cloak should be tweaked to enable you to do that, along with beacon changes (hopefully). The ultimate supply is not meant to have a lot of armour, you're meant to repair OUT of battle, hence your cloak enables you to disapear so you can let the AHR do its job.

This cant reall be really responded untill the cloak timmer is fixed but Rag is right saying
well can be somone need to look into the armor on kluth ships

probaly mostly on smaller ships im not talking dreds here

1 layer dont do much when 1 flux can take it down to hull 50% in one blast

solution rework some of the armor layers

and/or some armor solutions for upgrading

look elsewhere for my elf armor sugestion
as it is right noe you decloak you can be targeted at my count 8 seconds before your fully declokes enough time for the enemy to get a full alpha on you taking down a scales armour and doing hull damage... so IF cloak isnt make to decloak faster then yes another armour plate is best... I know jack what you are saying but Fair is Fair and the luth do deserve to have a fair game aswell...

i noticed that dred armor is way stronger
[b] and whats wrong with the biggest and strongest ships have the armour to defend it for?

On 2006-02-21 04:16, Ragglock wrote:
get back to reality guys plz i reject your reality and subsitiute my own

i cant understand how a simple remark about "smaller ships on kluth need to get their armor rechecked" but they dont, on any faction. scouts are weaker than frigates, frigates weaker than dessies, and on up the line. its not about the armor. when (not if) decloak times get lowered a bit, beacons get tweaked, and eccm pinging gets sorted out, you're golden. how much armor you have doesnt matter all that much, when you're invisible and cant be shot at. get to be an blow out discussion on tactics, who knows best, goods and his mother ? because this is the internet

fact is that smaller ships on kluth Destoyers Frigates Surplys Workers scouts all suffers widly from focus on larger ships dreds crusiers and stations. uh.. duh? EVERYBODY, except those that either havent copied their profile to beta, or just dont have the rank for it will get a station/dread/cruiser. a few will acutally get a dessie, almost nobody flys scouts/frigates/sups/engies/trannies in beta. nobody tests the smaller ships and they get all out of whack (scouts, escort and picket dessies, harrier frigate's weaker than the interceptor, minelayers do diddly squat for damage).

so if someone say "its allright becaus the dreds are good and strong..." we are back to zerro. oh im sorry.. in this reality of yours, dreads shouldnt be stronger than any other ship class except stations? gotcha.

someone takeing out a dred to test how the armor works on smaller ships dont cut it.

you have to fly smaller ships to test that. and nobody does (im guilty of that too)

and you all on about how kluth should be played how they can cloake etc...

i freaking know how to play kluth the kluth way , i have been doing just that for years now so what do you do when the kluth way changes?

all i asked was "we need to check out how the smaller ships works". and i quote: "well can be somone need to look into the armor on kluth ships"

who say that a frigate cant have some more armor rings ? or 1 extra engine slot for speed ? anyone interested in keeping frigates weaker than destroyers says frigates cant have some more armor rings. OR- we just get tael to change the number of armor rings per armor. frigates keep the same amount of armor, but with 50% more rings, and stations will have armor rings the size of LARGE planets. as for engines, what are you smoking? frigates dont need to be faster. a frigates with IE drives tops out at 30gu/s, add AMEs and its about 32.5 or so

or take a look on the weapon layout on the destoyers they basical the same from ship to ship.


i would like the dirvese layouts back on the smaller kluth ships back.

before there was
stinger fast ship not many weapons
shell lots of armor not many weapons

i want this kind of option back + i realy like to fly smaller ships

else you can just ditch those ship classes from kluth , no one flys ships that dont work or are the same.

kluth ships dont have the same amount of options to mount diffrent armors or shilds as the ugto/icc, so it have to be ajustet by looking at the standard layout of those ships.

so back on track what can we do to improve on smaller entry lvl ships ?
not alot, they're going to have less armor and weapons than larger ships, the midshipman ships especially. all they really have going for them is A: speed B: manuverablity C: short jumpdrive recharge time D: long jump range. barring a dictor in the area, they can dance around a battle and hit enemies where they're weak, tc/ac rear armors, ead rear armors, and the like. they're weak weapons and armor is offset by a good pilot putting the ship where they can land hull shots, or at least keep armor/shield from rechanging so others can get those hull shots (called teamwork)

want to discuss dreds, weapon lvl, tactic, i ask you to do it in another thread

this is "Layout on smaller kluth ships" discussion not "Jacks idiear on how kluth should be overall" but it does seem to be Ragglocks idear on how kluth should be overall