On 2007-10-13 11:49, Enterprise wrote:
I was bored building today and had alot of free thought to spare so I came up with a few things.


Scrapping. - Always long since been a little well... illogical. To say the least. One of the things that has always bugged me is that if it takes time to build a planet, why doesn't take any time to scrap one? Stick a timer on scrapping buildings in proportion to the time it takes to build it.

Also, its long been discussed, but a person should really at least have a build to be able to scrap.

Building - One of the most irritating things about building, is that if you don't build everything individually, you'll get alot less prestige. So I thought of this.

A. Get rid of speed building. Yes. Gone. Kaboom. Make planets take time to build. No throwing together a planet in a half hour. One build gadget = one building at a time.

Which brings another thought which is..

B. Put more build gadgets on the engineering ships, depending on rank/class. The more you have, the more building you can build at once, or the faster you can build a single building. If its also possible, since levels will be clamped, you could also make it so the level of a build gadget also is a factor.

What does this mean? It means that defending planets before they're finished will be even more important. Engineers might well have to work together to get a planet up quickly, and large build capable ships, such as stations and command dreadnoughts could have enough building capibility to bring up planets quickly.

Yay they aren't entirely useless.

On 2007-10-13 11:49, Enterprise wrote:


Scrapping. - Always long since been a little well... illogical. To say the least. One of the things that has always bugged me is that if it takes time to build a planet, why doesn't take any time to scrap one? Stick a timer on scrapping buildings in proportion to the time it takes to build it.

Also, its long been discussed, but a person should really at least have a build to be able to scrap.


Building - One of the most irritating things about building, is that if you don't build everything individually, you'll get alot less prestige. So I thought of this.

A. Get rid of speed building. Yes. Gone. Kaboom. Make planets take time to build. No throwing together a planet in a half hour. One build gadget = one building at a time.

Which brings another thought which is..

B. Put more build gadgets on the engineering ships, depending on rank/class. The more you have, the more building you can build at once, or the faster you can build a single building. If its also possible, since levels will be clamped, you could also make it so the level of a build gadget also is a factor.

What does this mean? It means that defending planets before they're finished will be even more important. Engineers might well have to work together to get a planet up quickly, and large build capable ships, such as stations and command dreadnoughts could have enough building capibility to bring up planets quickly.

Yay they aren't entirely useless.

On 2007-10-14 07:52, Tommas [ USF HunnyBunny] wrote:

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On 2007-10-13 11:49, Enterprise wrote: Scrapping. - Always long since been a little well... illogical. To say the least. One of the things that has always bugged me is that if it takes time to build a planet, why doesn't take any time to scrap one? Stick a timer on scrapping buildings in proportion to the time it takes to build it. Also, its long been discussed, but a person should really at least have a build to be able to scrap. Building - One of the most irritating things about building, is that if you don't build everything individually, you'll get alot less prestige. So I thought of this. A. Get rid of speed building. Yes. Gone. Kaboom. Make planets take time to build. No throwing together a planet in a half hour. One build gadget = one building at a time. Which brings another thought which is.. B. Put more build gadgets on the engineering ships, depending on rank/class. The more you have, the more building you can build at once, or the faster you can build a single building. If its also possible, since levels will be clamped, you could also make it so the level of a build gadget also is a factor. What does this mean? It means that defending planets before they're finished will be even more important. Engineers might well have to work together to get a planet up quickly, and large build capable ships, such as stations and command dreadnoughts could have enough building capibility to bring up planets quickly. Yay they aren't entirely useless.

Timer on scraping things?? are u mad??? its **** boring to build a planet and it takes alot of time! what like 1hour? and then u want to make it even slower??? scrap that idea.

More drones i do like however, thoug the devs have said it will never ever come. Thoug i dont see the problem in this, as in next version there will be alot less planets to build (the idea atleast) and a builder will get the same amount of pres if it uses 1 or 2 drones, just makes the build alot faster.

On 2007-10-14 12:47, Crim wrote:

Are you a special child, really?

Building a planet is supposed to be strategical. So why make something thats supposed to be important to a fleet take thirty minutes to build?
.484 is about teamwork, not hopping around willy nilly capping systems within an hour and building them in that ammount of time too. Capping a system should take hours or even days considering the size of the system.

Oh yes, let's make building give off enough prestige in a shorter ammount of time, because we're all idiots here.

And having less planets means it should take longer to build them, showing the value of each planet. You shouldnt be able to build a planet within 30 minutes like you can now.

On 2007-10-14 15:31, Tommas [ USF HunnyBunny] wrote:

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On 2007-10-14 12:47, Crim wrote: Are you a special child, really? Building a planet is supposed to be strategical. So why make something thats supposed to be important to a fleet take thirty minutes to build? .484 is about teamwork, not hopping around willy nilly capping systems within an hour and building them in that ammount of time too. Capping a system should take hours or even days considering the size of the system. Oh yes, let's make building give off enough prestige in a shorter ammount of time, because we're all idiots here. And having less planets means it should take longer to build them, showing the value of each planet. You shouldnt be able to build a planet within 30 minutes like you can now.

Damn rigth im special!

And how many person can stay online for 1 hour at a time? thats not many realy...and thats 1 planet. what if u gona build a cluster? that takes alot time. First off u need the tech and population before actuly building. And it is boring to build no mather how important that one planet is. Its not rocket sience to build a planet, its relatively easy.

Capping a system should take days? err i mean that sounds REALY boring! dont get me wrong, i dont like the system how it is, but making it THAT difficult is just wrong.

The point is not to scare away the players, its to get em to stay and reqruit. This version cinda does with giving alot of building pres and automatical building pres if u got the time for it. But if u gona make it so hard that it will take hours to cap one planet = 40-80 pres...and then u have to share it with 3-4 other persons...

Anyways the point is that using more then 30-60 minutes to build a planet is realy a long time...god knows how many times ive tried to learn a new player to build a planet, but most of the times they can only be online for like 20-30 minutes if that. And that is ofc before they die of boredom. Its not like its fun and alot of action to sitt next to a planet for 1 hour watching a timer on a building now is it? people do it for one reason only, prestige. thats it.

On 2007-10-14 20:39, leonide wrote:
crim, he won't understand. he's one of THOSE noobs that doesn't understand how Darkspace should work.

On 2007-10-14 21:55, Fattierob (x2 Giga Drill Breakers) wrote:

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On 2007-10-14 20:39, leonide wrote: crim, he won't understand. he's one of THOSE noobs that doesn't understand how Darkspace should work.

Leo, I don't think we should make bias personal remarks towards people. True as you may think they are, true as they may be, this isn't the time or place to start a flame war because somebody can't "appear intellegent" or whose ideas of a "fun game" doesn't fit with your idea.

kthx.

On 2007-10-14 22:37, Crim wrote:

ROB I R BIAS AND U R FAT SO U EAT TWINKIES

Sorry, random post.

On 2007-10-14 20:39, leonide wrote:
crim, he won't understand. he's one of THOSE noobs that doesn't understand how Darkspace should work.

On 2007-10-15 13:25, Ospolos (qmbzjoh fwf) wrote:
yea... so back on topic:

Taking ideas from the suggestions. I like how this flows:

• auto completion of buildings is removed
  
• each structure is built by a build device and can be progressed in completion by that build device with the aid of other build devices to speed up the structures completion progress
  
• Depening on rank and/or badges, have several different build devices on several different engineer based ships to allow for multiple building as the player progresses in the building field.
  
• scrapping requires the same proceedure as building per build device. So the more build devices you have on a structure to scrap, the faster the structure is deconstructed.
  
• scrapping no longer induces prestige loss
  

Something along those lines...