Selvarian {IMC}
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Joined: August 18, 2001
Posts: 1242
From: GA, USA
|  Posted: 2002-01-21 14:18
[19:00:53 21/01/02] * EVENT: 'Mod Meeting' event is starting now...
[19:00:49 21/01/02] * [IN]Dracona has entered the room...
19:14:32 Selvarian: "Meeting topics:
0. Meeting purpose issues - topics that can be resolved here.1. PlayNet moderators
2. More admins
3. /unban
4. Beta Forum
5. Keeping exploit discussions out of the meeting?"
19:00:54 Cuisinart: "Greetings and Salutations everyone *"
[19:01:06 21/01/02] * Vinco-ITG reports "the ladder flag in MV-lutyen is off"
19:14:46 Selvarian: "Meeting topics:
0. Meeting purpose issues - topics that can be resolved here.
1. PlayNet moderators
2. More admins
3. /unban
4. Beta Forum
5. Keeping exploit discussions out of the meeting?"
19:14:51 Selvarian: "That's better."
19:01:31 [PS]Faustus: "howdy"
19:01:35 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "ok i got disconnected. i hate my internet cable company"
[19:01:38 21/01/02] * Selvarian Sent "Your presence is kindly requested in the moderators meeting."
19:01:39 [ C `] Faravid: "how about the topics left out in last meeting"
19:01:41 Cuisinart: "hello"
19:01:41 [ C `] Faravid: "hey faust"
19:15:22 Selvarian: "OOPS. There he is"
[19:01:44 21/01/02] * [DI]H@VOC waves to [PS]Faustus...
19:01:49 [PS]Faustus: "reporting from Thadia in the sirius system, all is secure.."
[19:01:53 21/01/02] * Vinco-ITG gasps in disbelief at Faustuss presence.
19:15:31 Selvarian: "hehe"
19:01:54 [MoA]Bumblebee: "hokka faustus"
19:02:01 Cuisinart: "lol"
19:02:05 [-GTN-]Demorian: "nice, Faust"
[19:02:06 21/01/02] * DoomDragon whispered "To bad that sun isn't here but i still am curious about the suggestion forums....we delayed it to this week...and now?"
19:02:07 [MoA]Bumblebee: "lool"
[19:02:10 21/01/02] * [GER]Samweis has entered the room...
19:02:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "hey Selvarian"
19:02:16 Vinco-ITG: "faust, did you know that ladder in MV-lutyen is off?"
19:02:17 [-GTN-]Demorian: "didn't you say something about a small meeting?"
19:15:58 Selvarian: "OK. I think we need to get rolling."
19:16:07 Selvarian: "Yeah, well."
19:02:36 [PS]Faustus: "vinco... no I didn't... will restart that server"
19:02:38 Cuisinart: "ok, first topic is more admins, I'm all for that"
19:02:41 [MoA]Bumblebee: "where is sunshine??"
19:02:43 [ C `] Faravid: "how about the topics left out in last meeting"
[19:02:55 21/01/02] * [DI]H@VOC waves to [MoA]Bumblebee...
19:16:38 Selvarian: "Here's the topic list:
0. Meeting purpose issues - topics that can be resolved here.1. PlayNet moderators
2. More admins
3. /unban
4. Beta Forum
5. Keeping exploit discussions out of the meeting?
6. Moving scenario servers back to pre-1.3 code, but with fixes."
19:03:07 Vinco-ITG: "supernova10 has brought it to my attention."
[19:03:11 21/01/02] * [eXS]Geo stands um and gives a standing ovation for Faustus...
19:03:12 Cuisinart: "oops"
19:03:25 [eXS]Geo: "um = up"
19:03:26 [PS]Faustus: "K... luyten has been restarted"
19:03:33 Cuisinart: "ok, I've never seen a 'Playnet moderator'"
19:17:19 Selvarian: "OK. Folks, let's settle down and get this thing rolling. In case you are not aware of the new format:"
19:03:36 [-GTN-]Demorian: "roger that Selvarian"
[19:03:39 21/01/02] * Smokey whispered "might want to post that link for the meetings rules again.."
19:17:22 Selvarian: "New meeting rules here. Please read and act accordingly. Thanks!"
19:03:55 [PS]Faustus: "anyway... let me just give an update to everyone, let you all know where things are DS wise.."
19:04:04 [MoA]Bumblebee: "me 2 - no playnet-mod ever seen"
19:04:04 [PS]Faustus: "is that OK?"
19:17:49 Selvarian: "Faustus has the floor."
19:04:12 [DI]H@VOC: "yes Sir"
19:04:12 [eXS]Geo: "sure"
19:04:18 Smokey: "sure"
19:04:20 Cuisinart: "please proceed Faus"
19:04:21 [MoA]Bumblebee: "ok"
19:04:22 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "disconnected again."
19:04:35 [PS]Faustus: "firstly, playnet is just billing, they do no community management... that's pretty much up entirely to us.."
[19:05:11 21/01/02] * [-GTN-]Demorian nods.
19:18:52 Selvarian: "OK. Comments, anyone?"
19:05:12 [ C `] Faravid: "hard to help with billing problems when there's no people here who knows about the structure of it"
19:05:19 [ C `] Dwarden: "@F but one person from playnet to answer questions regading billing problem can really help ..."
19:05:25 [PS]Faustus: "K... second thing, I've fixed a major CTD bug.. which was causing possibly 95% of the crashes from DS... had to do with the updating of the BSP tree for collision checking"
19:05:50 [-GTN-]Demorian: "nice"
19:05:51 Smokey: "what the [ C'] guys said..."
[19:05:55 21/01/02] * [-GTN-]Demorian begins applauding [PS]Faustus...
19:05:56 Cuisinart: "How do we handle people with billing/acct active problems?"
19:06:06 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "haha i have my internet cable company on speed dial."
19:06:38 [PS]Faustus: "cuisinart... if someone has billing problems, then tell them to goto http://www.playnet.com, click on "Help" in the upper right corner, and submit a customer support problem to playnet.. using their iCommunicate"
19:06:52 [MoA]Bumblebee: "@ firstly - ok - but they do the job not quite well - agreed??"
19:07:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "@f actual situation with someone problem with playnet look like this A: i have problem Mod: contact playnet support A: (think) idiots you point me on another company to ignore my question ..."
19:07:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "Playnet q&A guy is badly needed here too ..."
19:07:29 [MoA]Bumblebee: "my icommunicate-help is "in progress since the 21. of december"
19:07:31 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "yeah dwar is rigth"
19:07:35 [ C `] Faravid: "yes we need a good way to communicate with playnet staff"
19:07:39 Cuisinart: "Cuisinart goto http://www.playnet.com, click on "Help" in the upper right corner, and submit a customer support problem to playnet.. using their iCommunicate""
19:08:11 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "it just looks less professional because there are 2 companies involved. although i understand that logistically, it's almost impossible to get a playnet rep in here. it's just not going to happen."
[19:08:13 21/01/02] * [BIS]Bionicman has entered the room...
19:08:26 [PS]Faustus: "well, I'll talk with playnet then... lets see if we can streamline a communications channel between the mods and the playnet guys who can fix billing problems."
19:08:36 [eXS]Geo: "@Faustus: any new infos from Gamesurf/Playnet ?"
19:08:37 [ C `] Faravid: "thanks"
19:22:19 Selvarian: "That would be ideal."
19:08:43 Cuisinart: "excellent"
19:08:45 [MoA]Bumblebee: "that would be great"
19:08:45 [ C `] Dwarden: "then another IDEA big FAT button WITH BOLD text on DarkSpace main PAGE ...THIS is LINK to PLAYNET SUPPORT ...  "
19:09:06 [DI]H@VOC: "we need to have a person implamented with Paly net to be able to contact a play net CS person to have things fixed corectly"
19:09:27 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "What about mirroring their help pages on DS website?"
19:23:12 Selvarian: "I have no doubt that you are losing a significant number of players and PR from PlayNet's unresponsiveness to problems."
19:09:56 [ C `] Dwarden: "yes....that number is actully only in my eyes over 100s"
19:09:57 Cuisinart: "Well, it would be nice to be able to check the status of people for billing etc. to verify that they are good to go"
19:09:59 [MoA]Bumblebee: "agreed to selv"
19:10:05 [ C `] Faravid: "yes most people don't like a horde of problems"
19:10:25 [PS]Faustus: "dwarden... basically, heres the problem... palestar has to pay $1 for every non-billing customer support problem.. so it's in our best interests that players who video card and other problems using the knoledge base, forums, and FAQ to fix their problems. If we make the iCommunicate link easy to find, then it will cost us a $1 per customer support ticket"
19:24:08 Selvarian: "I know we can't really expect much from a company that is in chapter 11 bankruptcy reorg right now, but it is hurting DS."
[19:10:54 21/01/02] * [-GTN-]Demorian nods at Selvarian...
19:24:38 Selvarian: "@Faustus -> Agreed, but we are all only talking about billing problems."
19:11:00 [ C `] Dwarden: "but i speak about billing problem ..."
19:11:03 Cuisinart: "ouch, $1 for each"
19:11:05 [DI]H@VOC: "humm thats Quit the rip off "
19:11:07 [ C `] Dwarden: "not about video card issue"
19:11:19 [PS]Faustus: "as for gamesurf... contracts might be signed this week, NDA's have been signed, so it's just however fast gamesurf wants to move"
19:25:19 Selvarian: "I know I help at least 5-10 people per hour with hardware issues."
19:25:29 Selvarian: "I never send those problems to playnet."
19:11:50 Cuisinart: "what will DS's affiliation with gamesurf entail?"
19:11:53 [DI]H@VOC: "thats Y Palestar needs to have someone to sort out the billing vs other issues "
19:12:16 Vinco-ITG: "The mods can handle hardware support... it's the playnet screw-ups that we can't handle."
19:12:19 [eXS]Geo: "@Faustus: does it sound good in your eyes?"
19:12:25 [PS]Faustus: "cuisinart... pretty much just like our relationship with playnet, except for europe.."
19:12:25 [ C `] Dwarden: "$1 for every non-billing customer support problem"
19:12:35 Cuisinart: "oh good"
19:12:39 [ C `] Dwarden: "so that mean 0$ for billing customer problem right?"
[19:12:45 21/01/02] * [BIS]Bionicman has entered the room...
19:12:49 [MoA]Bumblebee: "should be psiible to tell people the icommunicate is for billig-problems only"
19:12:53 [PS]Faustus: "dwarden.. right"
19:26:34 Selvarian: "Maybe they should be paying PaleStar $1 for every billing support request we receive, eh?"
19:13:09 [PS]Faustus: "dwarden.. any customer problems related to billinig, playnet doesn't charge us for them.."
19:13:28 [eXS]Geo: "@Faustus: does it sound good in your ears? (thanks Samweis, for correcting me! *g*)"
19:13:41 [ C `] Faravid: "why don't they just stop answering to other than billing problems"
19:13:41 [ C `] Dwarden: "Faustus how its counted that $1 every lame question to iCommunicate is $1 ?"
[19:13:42 21/01/02] * [Evil]MaDB|otcH whispered "lol"
19:13:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "can be that exploited to damage PaleStar?"
19:13:50 [PS]Faustus: "geo... I missed what you said, I'm in-game"
19:14:20 [ C `] Faravid: "sounds like rip off, that playnet icommunicate system"
19:14:27 [GER]Samweis: "fun and work ... nice combination F  "
19:14:36 [eXS]Geo: "@Faustus: I only wanted to know if you are happy about it or not ... you don't need to answer if you don'T want to"
19:14:37 Cuisinart: "Ok, this is kinda off topic"
19:14:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "yes PaleStar maybe need start with different strategy every leaving customer will cost playnet $1 too"
19:14:46 [PS]Faustus: "no... I can review everything they charge us for... so no hanky panking is allowed."
19:28:36 Selvarian: "OK. ANYways. So, we are to basically send them to PlayNet for ANY billing issue and wash our hands of it, right?"
19:28:54 Selvarian: "them = users"
19:15:15 [PS]Faustus: "anyway... lets move on, since billing problems have decreased since most of the kinks in the system have been worked out."
19:15:17 Cuisinart: "sounds that way..."
19:15:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "Faustus erm i mean how they calculate that $1 is that calculated for signed accounts or for ANY report ?"
19:15:25 [-GTN-]Demorian: "roger that Faustus"
19:15:27 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Selv?"
19:15:33 Cuisinart: "next topic?"
19:29:21 Selvarian: "OK."
19:15:56 [PS]Faustus: "you guys gotta remember too, sometimes billing problems are LEGIT... it's not always a problem with playnet, sometimes a customer doesn't enter their credit card information correctly."
19:16:09 Cuisinart: "yes, that's true"
19:16:15 [ C `] Dwarden: "true"
19:30:01 Selvarian: "The issues of PlayNet moderators has pretty much been answered: There will be none."
19:16:18 [eXS]Geo: "true"
19:16:20 [PS]Faustus: "anyway, I want to continue updating you ... "
19:30:04 Selvarian: "Correct?"
19:16:25 [ C `] Dwarden: "i only wanted be suer ..."
19:16:34 [-GTN-]Demorian: "correct"
19:16:37 [eXS]Geo: "all quite please"
19:16:39 Cuisinart: "correct"
19:16:40 Vinco-ITG: "can a way be put in place to change from monthly/3-month/6-month subscriptions?"
19:16:40 [ C `] Dwarden: "correct"
19:16:42 [eXS]Geo: "quiet"
19:30:32 Selvarian: "Folks, let's keep the noise level to a minimum. Thanks!"
19:30:42 Selvarian: "Next topic. More admins"
19:17:31 [-GTN-]Demorian: "roger that Selv"
19:17:34 [ C `] Dwarden: "interesant ..."
19:17:38 Vinco-ITG: "that goes for non-mods as well, please"
19:17:39 [eXS]Possessor: "lol"
19:17:46 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Selvarian, you mean more white people or more green people?"
19:31:37 Selvarian: "admins = white"
19:18:18 [ C `] Dwarden: "i agree we need maybe some admins"
19:18:28 [ C `] Dwarden: "but there was already idea about GameMasters or QuestMasters"
19:32:12 Selvarian: "We need to get another person or two with admin capabilities to cover when sunshine/Faustus is not available"
19:18:41 [ C `] Dwarden: "i think admin is actual position for PaleStar Staff"
19:18:48 [DI]H@VOC: "Ill Volenteer for admin status  "
19:18:51 [-GTN-]Demorian: "awesome."
19:18:57 [-GTN-]Demorian: "oh, on that idea, Dwarden"
19:18:59 [PS]Faustus: "hehe... "
19:19:02 [-GTN-]Demorian: "can I make a suggestion?"
19:19:04 Cuisinart: "that'd be cool"
19:19:09 [ C `] Faravid: "oh no swarm of newbies "
19:19:09 [PS]Faustus: "demor... sure"
19:19:13 [eXS]Possessor: "very nice )"
[19:19:18 21/01/02] * Vinco-ITG whispered "need to have the /mute command here "
19:19:30 [eXS]Geo: "may I say something?"
19:19:36 [-GTN-]Demorian: "we all have the power to remove someone from the game should they be reported...however there is always the case where we get a report of something and we are not near the player to deal with it. like we're in lobby, they're in game"
19:19:52 [ C `] Dwarden: "i will volunteer myself ...but i hate do that...so someone must elect me 1st ..."
19:33:34 Selvarian: "OK. The topic is admins. "
19:33:46 Selvarian: "Geo, please go ahead."
19:20:15 [-GTN-]Demorian: "my suggestion is that we have the ability to choose a special class on the selection screen, thats just like a little GM ship that can't do anything.....and be able to just *zap*..more or less quickly, to trouble players"
19:20:19 [-GTN-]Demorian: "okay Geo"
19:20:21 [eXS]Geo: "about all the newbies that will come: what do you think about a special Server where mods and other veteran players can go and teach the newbies? Meybe on a special day/evening?!"
19:20:29 [PS]Faustus: "I've got email... so getting out of game, be back in a sec.."
19:20:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "Geo i think about that too"
19:21:03 [ C `] Dwarden: "something like Tutorial server online"
19:21:13 [eXS]Geo: "that would make the works easier for us ... and more fun"
19:21:16 [-GTN-]Demorian: "yea dwarden"
19:21:25 [eXS]Geo: "right, but we as Mods teach them the basics"
19:35:08 Selvarian: "I have suggested before that we have a "default" newbie chatroom that newbies automatically join when they install the game, staffed by mods on duty at most times that are there to help."
19:21:34 [GER]Samweis: "and a special trainee badge for those who help newbies "
19:21:40 [MoA]Bumblebee: "but NO prestige-gain there for shure"
19:21:53 Cuisinart: "lol"
19:21:54 [eXS]Geo: "@Bumble: why not?"
19:35:39 Selvarian: "Once they have gotten all of their initial problems resolved, they can change their default to the normal chatroom of their choice"
19:22:09 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Actually, regarding the trainee badge, there should be some badge for completing the tutorial/tutorials"
19:22:11 [ C `] Dwarden: "yes that Newbie train server need server side executed scripts ..."
19:22:12 [eXS]Geo: "without it wouldn't be interesting for newbies"
19:22:17 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "to give newbs some incentive to do it"
[19:22:24 21/01/02] * [MoA]Tegan whispered "Is it posible to ask Faustus if when a planet is capture that transports coming ot it belonged to the proper faction?"
19:22:27 Cuisinart: "Ok, Faustus do you have any thoughts about providing more admin coverage?"
19:22:36 [MoA]Bumblebee: "because there will be some "helper" who teach others to admirals  ("
19:22:37 [eXS]Geo: "and additionally I can switch the gamesurf Servers to Newbie servers ..."
19:22:38 [ C `] Dwarden: "Geo it can be again exploited"
[19:22:39 21/01/02] * [MoA]Tegan whispered "err to the planet"
19:22:39 [BIS]Bionicman: "on a trani server like that newbs should be able to try any ship with restrictons eg all eng ships avalible and all transport class ships etc"
19:22:54 [-GTN-]Demorian: "gonna say once again, my suggestion is that we have the ability to choose a special class on the selection screen, thats just like a little GM ship that can't do anything.....and be able to just *zap*..more or less quickly, to trouble players."
19:23:02 [eXS]Geo: "@Dwarden: don't always think of exploits"
19:23:09 [eXS]Geo: "think of FUN!"
19:23:16 [eXS]Geo: "and all the new players"
19:23:17 Cuisinart: "I was thinking that about 2 more community managers would be nice"
* Selvarian whispered "I would suggest you whisper it to him or wait until we get through all of our current topics. Thanks!"
19:23:24 [PS]Faustus: "One more thing from me... we'll be testing a gadget pricing scheme on the beta servers over the next few days.. so be sure and join to help test gadget buying/selling before we put it online... wife needs me, BRB"
19:23:28 Cuisinart: "Can we stay on one topic at a time please?"
19:23:28 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Demorian it's a good idea."
19:23:28 [ C `] Dwarden: "to teach newbie u not need him to gain prestige"
19:23:30 [ C `] Dwarden: "OR"
19:23:41 [MoA]Bumblebee: "agreed dwarden"
19:37:24 Selvarian: "Please, folks. Let's stay on-topic. Send any/all new topics to me in a whisper, please."
19:23:43 [ C `] Dwarden: "You can limit it TO max 40prestige per lesson!"
19:23:44 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Cuisinart, i suggested this before Geo's idea and got ignored"
19:23:44 Vinco-ITG: "A US-admin would be nice"
19:23:47 [-GTN-]Demorian: ":) hehe"
19:23:54 [ C `] Dwarden: "thats enough to teach Newbie..."
19:23:57 [BIS]Bionicman: "right no prestige on a traning server"
19:23:58 [MoA]FrankySZ: "agreed Dwarden"
19:23:59 [MoA]Soul132: "agree dwarden"
19:24:01 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "agreed @dwarden"
19:24:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "agreed"
19:37:56 Selvarian: "Admins first, newbie server suggestions second"
19:24:19 [BIS]Bionicman: "what is the topic ?"
19:24:32 [ C `] Dwarden: "oki back to admins"
19:24:39 [ C `] Dwarden: "yes we need persons higher mods ..."
19:38:23 Selvarian: "Well, the actual current topic is more new admins."
19:24:43 Cuisinart: "Like I said, we need about 2 more community managers"
19:24:44 [eXS]Geo: "@Demo: very good Idea ... sorry for interrupting you"
19:24:44 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "2 more admins would be nice i think"
19:24:44 [MoA]Bumblebee: "is tere a need for (some) more admin's"
19:24:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "but Admin as now is PaleStar Staff sign ..."
19:24:55 [MoA]Bumblebee: "that is the topic now"
[19:25:24 21/01/02] * [Evil]MaDB|otcH whispered "Faustus, can u remove the dictor thing today? Is there a way to easily/quickly make dictor and cloaks restricted devices like the EMP? Any ship that doesnt have one shouldn't be able to load one. there are too many people exploiting this in the scenario servers ruining the game. (a carrier dread with a dictor and such). I was wondering if it was possible to just patch that one up real quick until the full 1.4 comes out."
19:25:26 Cuisinart: "it's all rather moot without Big F here to put in his say"
19:25:28 [ C `] Dwarden: "but there was already idea about GameMasters or QuestMasters ...which can have most of rights of Admin ..."
19:39:12 Selvarian: "Yes. There are times when sunshine/Faustus et al are not available for things that only they can do (the recent accidental banning of Kamikaze Chicken, for example)"
19:25:38 [ C `] Faravid: "2 levels of admins, with different colors"
19:39:34 Selvarian: "Well, he'll be back in a sec"
19:26:08 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Nah I dont like the idea of people having GameMaster ability"
19:26:11 [ C `] Dwarden: "he is back ... i see him ... i think "
19:26:14 Cuisinart: "That would be fine, but what powers does this position need to have?"
19:26:19 [DI]H@VOC: "Can I volenteer to be an Admin im on mostly at Night "
19:26:27 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "It's a bit too much power if u ask me."
19:26:38 [ C `] Dwarden: "Madbiotch no gamemaster and questmasters i want to see to improve gameplay..."
19:26:44 Cuisinart: "I'm sure everyone here would volunteer to be an admin"
19:26:46 [ C `] Dwarden: "they will be responsible for quests etc in future"
19:26:55 [ C `] Faravid: "i don't agree with volunteering, they needs to be chosen by an admin"
19:26:59 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "oh ok"
19:27:00 Smokey: "if we have the power to ban we should be able to unban IMO..."
19:27:02 [BIS]Bionicman: "think it should be palestar and no other that select admins"
19:27:02 Cuisinart: "but how do we decide who is best to fill the position?"
19:40:54 Selvarian: "I have suggested that we take nominations from among our ranks and issue votes of confidence for the candidates, then let Faustus select from the candidates with the most confidence."
19:27:14 [-GTN-]Demorian: "pick someone and vote?"
19:27:16 [-GTN-]Demorian: ":)"
19:27:17 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "I dont think anyone should be given a sub-admin position. it's too much power."
19:27:50 Cuisinart: "There is something else to consider"
19:27:54 [BIS]Bionicman: "we will never be able to agree on any admins there will allways be someone that dont want him or her as one"
19:27:55 [ C `] Dwarden: "we can elect in vote Admin candidates"
19:28:09 [ C `] Dwarden: "and Faustus &co. decide who become admin"
19:28:16 Cuisinart: "this person must be able to make him/herself available on a regular basis"
19:28:17 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "I think that it's just dangerous."
19:28:40 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "of course that depends on how much power is given to this sub-admin, but even so, I think it's too much."
19:28:43 [BIS]Bionicman: "yes vot on possible candidates then give it to palestar to deside"
19:28:46 Cuisinart: "I have to go with Faravid on this one"
19:42:26 Selvarian: "That is why you take a vote of confidence. It isn't as democratic, since unltimately, Faustus selects whoever he wants, but at least he knows who most of us respect the most."
19:28:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "but i still say admin is highest level for palestar staff ... so i guess we need for this problem new type of rights ..."
19:28:57 Cuisinart: "must let the current admins decide"
19:29:29 [PS]Faustus: "K... basically, I do agree with need atleast 1 other admin for the US timezones... since I'm usually unavailable during the evenings, having wife and kids and such, so I think the primary requirment is that the new admin be located in the US.."
19:29:33 Vinco-ITG: "I agree with sel's idea... let faust know who we trust to fill this role, then let him choose"
19:29:43 [PS]Faustus: "sounds good to me.."
19:29:47 [DI]H@VOC: "i think Voting for them would not be the best idea i see freinds voting in freinds just so they have more power though who they voted in "
19:29:48 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "agreed"
19:29:55 [-GTN-]Demorian: "okay Faustus"
19:29:56 Cuisinart: "agreed"
19:30:04 [MoA]FrankySZ: "agreed"
19:43:47 Selvarian: "Well, we are all friends here, mostly."
19:30:12 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Yeah that's a consideration faustus."
19:30:14 [eXS]Hydronix: "ok"
19:30:20 [eXS]Geo: "but who comes form the US?"
19:30:23 [PS]Faustus: "havoc... it won't matter, I already have an ideal who I would let be admin anyway, just curious if you'll pick the same person I'm thinking of.. "
19:30:24 [ C `] Dwarden: "Then secret VOte"
19:30:26 [ C `] Dwarden: ":)"
19:30:28 [MoA]Bumblebee: "one more agree from me"
19:44:08 Selvarian: "It's up to Faustus how he wants to handle it, though."
19:30:30 [ C `] Dwarden: "directly to faustus "
19:30:35 Smokey: "im in the US  )"
19:44:19 Selvarian: "No, it needs to be a public vote."
19:30:47 [-GTN-]Demorian: "oooo faustus already picked em out shot us ALLLL down ^_^ hehe"
19:30:53 [PS]Faustus: "I'd love to hear from you guys who you think would be good "
19:44:33 Selvarian: "It's just a vote of confidence, guys"
[19:30:57 21/01/02] * [ C `] Dwarden nods at Selvarian...
19:30:57 Cuisinart: "Ok, so when can we expect to find out?"
19:30:58 Smokey: "geo..."
19:30:59 [-GTN-]Demorian: "IDEA"
19:31:05 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Let Faustus pick the "nominees""
[19:31:32 21/01/02] * [PS]Faustus smiles at Selvarian...
19:31:32 [ C `] Faravid: "i think i don't know any mod form US well enough, so i won't vote at all"
19:31:33 [-GTN-]Demorian: "and we can vote based on that"
19:31:36 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Let's all line up in the MV and let the Gaifens decide"
19:45:31 Selvarian: "So, how do you want to handle it, Faustus?"
19:31:52 Vinco-ITG: "hahaha"
19:31:53 [PS]Faustus: "hehe"
19:31:55 Cuisinart: "lol"
19:31:56 [MoA]Bumblebee: "oh evil - oh oh"
19:31:59 [MoA]Spirit: "lol"
19:32:01 [eXS]Geo: "loool"
19:45:45 Selvarian: "Folks, let's keep the noise level to a minimum. Thanks!"
19:32:07 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "evil first in"
[19:32:08 21/01/02] * Smokey whispered "would you take the position if it was offered to ya?"
19:32:09 [eXS]Geo: "the Gaifen would kill us all .-)"
19:32:09 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "hehe"
19:45:56 Selvarian: "Let's stay focused, guys."
19:32:18 [eXS]Geo: "and then the transports "
19:32:28 [PS]Faustus: "@selv.. it's cool if you guys want to vote... it would be a factor, but not the ultimate factor.."
19:32:28 [ C `] Dwarden: "sure drop all into sensor scout ...who alive that massacre will get admin ....lololol ..."
* Selvarian whispered "I don't know if I could."
19:32:35 [-GTN-]Demorian: "LOL Faustus"
19:32:42 [-GTN-]Demorian: ""i have power. you do not. hahaha.""
19:32:45 [MoA]Bumblebee: "ok - big F"
19:46:26 Selvarian: "That's the point."
19:32:49 [BIS]Bionicman: "i actuly dont have a clue who is from where as im on/off 24 h day or night"
19:32:55 Cuisinart: "Faustus, if you already know who you want, just tell us..."
19:32:59 [MoA]Bumblebee: "you have the last word - for shure"
19:32:59 [BIS]Bionicman: "and many are to "
[19:33:01 21/01/02] * Smokey whispered "yeah cause of your work and stuff? that's what i was wondering.... else i'd nominate ya to fill the slot )"
19:33:10 [PS]Faustus: "If you guys don't mind, I'm going to track down the sync problem with sirus ... so I'll be listening.."
[19:33:12 21/01/02] * [ C `] Dwarden thinks decision about new admins isnt in my rights ...so i guess we need move to next topis !
19:33:13 [-GTN-]Demorian: "i think that if Faustus has an idea who he wants as his new mod for his game, then its his vote...we all know we can trust him"
19:33:13 [DI]H@VOC: "i nom Selv and Bumblebee"
[19:33:16 21/01/02] * [ C `] Dwarden thinks decision about new admins isnt in my rights ...so i guess we need move to next topic !
19:33:17 [eXS]Geo: "@Faustus: any other updates you want to tell us?"
19:46:59 Selvarian: "A voite of confidence just means that we are offering you our opinions"
19:33:31 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "I nom Selv too"
[19:33:32 21/01/02] * [BIS]Bionicman begins applauding [PS]Faustus...
19:33:51 Smokey: "im up for Selv... if he can do it.. )"
19:33:57 [BIS]Bionicman: "that is a bitch sirius get to work faustus and be quick "
19:33:58 Vinco-ITG: "I'll throw my support to selvarian"
19:47:38 Selvarian: "I'm not always available to be online, so I don't think I would be a good choice."
19:34:01 [-GTN-]Demorian: "roger that "
19:34:04 Cuisinart: "I have confidence in Selvarian"
19:34:19 [-GTN-]Demorian: "hehe you're in over your head now Selv, don't give us that ^_^"
19:34:35 [DI]H@VOC: "dont be so modest selv"
19:34:35 [ C `] Dwarden: "@selv noone said u will be alone ..."
19:48:31 Selvarian: "THAT's part of the problem, with the RoC and the meeting responsibilities... I'm gonna get burned out."
19:34:57 [-GTN-]Demorian: "agree with Dwarden"
[19:35:20 21/01/02] * [GER]Samweis gives Selvarian new coals to burn
19:35:22 [-GTN-]Demorian: ":("
19:35:25 Cuisinart: "@Faus, tell us what would be required of an admin?"
19:35:35 [eXS]Possessor: "i think havoc is a good choice...."
19:35:37 [PS]Faustus: "FYI... Once I fix the sync issues with sirius, then i'm going to make refitting a little more restrictive, then update of 1.3 will occur.. then I'll start implementing pricing scheme for gadgets for testing."
19:35:38 [BIS]Bionicman: "go ahead get selv as a admin i actuly think its him faust is thinking about"
19:35:41 [DI]H@VOC: "so selv you can build up a reputable customer support for Palestar"
19:35:44 [MoA]Bumblebee: "agreed cuis"
19:35:54 [GER]Samweis: "good"
19:35:55 [MoA]Bumblebee: "should been defined"
19:36:09 Cuisinart: "any min time requirements etc.?"
* Selvarian whispered "You're not SERIOUSLY thinking about makeing ME an admin?"
19:36:58 Smokey: "okay should we move on?"
19:36:59 Cuisinart: "Sure is quiet"
* Selvarian whispered "After the way i bust your chops in the forums? "
19:37:22 Cuisinart: "Well, would be nice to close this topic before we move on"
19:51:03 Selvarian: "Yes, I think that we need to start a thread on this in the forum and do the voting there."
19:37:37 [-GTN-]Demorian: "i think Faus can close it "
19:38:13 [DI]H@VOC: "heh lets start a political campain for the Admins LOL J/K"
19:38:15 [MoA]Bumblebee: "agreed selv. lets have a look what will come out of it"
19:38:19 [PS]Faustus: "K.. hang"
19:38:21 [MoA]Spirit: "why voting the decision is already made by faustus"
19:38:28 [-GTN-]Demorian: "that would be mildly amusing, H@VOC"
19:38:40 [DI]H@VOC: "heh i agree"
19:38:48 [-GTN-]Demorian: "my sentiments exactly Spirit"
19:38:50 [DI]H@VOC: "would be fun though Dem"
19:52:36 Selvarian: "OK. I have started a new thread."
19:38:58 [-GTN-]Demorian: "lol yep"
[19:39:17 21/01/02] * DoomDragon whispered "I hate to interrupt but i have only 20 minutes left until my gf needs me. Last meeting i said that i don't have enough times to be suggestions forum mod anymore. We delayed it one week and it would be nice to have a clear result today."
19:39:31 Cuisinart: "I think we need 2 new admins though..."
19:53:15 Selvarian: "Please post your nominations and votes in it. Let all the other mods know to go and issue their nominations and votes."
19:39:45 [ C `] Dwarden: "...minimally..."
[19:39:49 21/01/02] * DoomDragon whispered "With today i mean in the next 20 minutes, hopefully."
* Selvarian whispered "Got it. I will make it the next topic."
19:39:56 Cuisinart: "where is the thread Selv?"
19:53:42 Selvarian: "OK. next topic."
19:40:06 [PS]Faustus: "In closing... basically, an admin would be someone who would be online quite a bit, but not necessarly everyday for 24 hours a day... who is level heading, and can pick new players to become moderators who can properly represent the community.. also has the ability to make those hard decisions, such as removing moderator rights from someone if necessary."
[19:40:07 21/01/02] * DoomDragon whispered "thx"
19:53:50 Selvarian: "Private moderator forum"
19:40:12 Smokey: "probably the priv forum"
19:40:20 [PS]Faustus: "level headed I ment to say.."
19:40:28 [-GTN-]Demorian: "roger that Faustus"
19:40:34 [ C `] Dwarden: "@selv i got only hope that public voting will not fail into friend2friend service"
19:40:43 Cuisinart: "Ok, that's all given pretty much"
19:40:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "i voted for u to get admin so u get st. speacil for me next time ... etc"
19:41:00 [MoA]Bumblebee: "again - faustus has the last word"
19:41:02 [ C `] Dwarden: "that can lead to bad ends ..."
19:54:46 Selvarian: "Next topic is the Suggestion Forum moderator. Doom?"
19:41:11 [-GTN-]Demorian: "next topic"
19:54:53 Selvarian: "DoomDragon has the floor"
[19:41:32 21/01/02] * [-GTN-]Demorian listens intently to DoomDragon...
19:41:54 DoomDragon: "Well, i don't have enough free time anymore. So i cannot stay as a forum mod. We need a new one."
19:42:05 [DI]H@VOC: "well we can vote all we want but PS faustus will be the deciding vote any how with a good idea who is mature enough to do the job without biosness"
* Selvarian whispered "Thanks, you are special to me, too, David."
19:42:25 DoomDragon: "Sun delayed it till this week. Dunno what he was already doing this week about it."
19:42:25 [-GTN-]Demorian: "i'll do it bro, i post a lot of suggestions there and would enjoy moderating them all."
19:42:48 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Yeah Demorian seems up to it"
19:42:59 [-GTN-]Demorian: "anyone else interested, so i don't shut anyone out?"
19:56:41 Selvarian: "Sounds good to me.. done?"
[19:43:12 21/01/02] * [MoA]Soul132 has entered the room...
19:43:14 [eXS]Geo: "I agree"
19:43:16 Vinco-ITG: "I'll vote for dem. 2 forums are enough for me"
[19:43:16 21/01/02] * [ C `] Dwarden whispered "what?"
19:43:21 Smokey: "agree"
19:43:21 [DI]H@VOC: "let Dem do it "
[19:43:40 21/01/02] * [-GTN-]Demorian nods.
19:43:43 [-GTN-]Demorian: "thanks guys"
19:43:45 Cuisinart: "I'd be willing to mod a forum if needed, but take voluteers first"
19:43:48 [ C `] Dwarden: "what forum moderator?"
19:43:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "sugessions ?"
19:57:36 Selvarian: "OK. Demorian is nominated and confirmed as the new Suggestion Forum Moderator, Faustus."
19:43:58 Smokey: "for suggestions"
19:43:59 [-GTN-]Demorian: "suggestions"
19:44:05 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Yeah demorian is in there all the time"
19:44:09 [eXS]Hydronix: "one question"
19:44:12 Vinco-ITG: "a minor aside... but demorian and I should be removed from modding the DI/DIBC forums. and H@VOC should be put in place as mod for those."
19:44:17 [DI]H@VOC: "Off topic @ Faustus can you put me back in control of my DIBC forums plz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
19:44:20 [MoA]Bumblebee: "agreed to dem"
19:44:21 [MoA]Spirit: "yes lets give it to Demorian"
19:44:26 [-GTN-]Demorian: "YES, Faustus, do that for H@VOC"
19:44:27 [eXS]Hydronix: "is it good, to have an admin from a clan?"
19:44:31 [-GTN-]Demorian: "i know its off topic"
19:44:42 [ C `] Dwarden: "hmm i'm already for bugs ...i got sometimes sugestions too ... can i participate?"
19:44:50 Cuisinart: "I think not"
19:44:53 [-GTN-]Demorian: "but please restore DIBC forums to him, me and Vinco don't lead DIBC anymore"
19:45:03 [-GTN-]Demorian: "okiedokie, *shuts up*"
19:45:04 Cuisinart: "that was at Hydronix"
19:45:19 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Hydronix, there has always been that concern regarding mods from clans as well. Maturity is the final deciding factor. The admin's responsibility is to put game integrity ahead of in-game politics."
19:45:28 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Mods have that responsibility as well."
19:59:09 Selvarian: "Hydro -> Bring the issue up in the forum."
19:45:37 [-GTN-]Demorian: "amen, Mad."
19:45:49 [eXS]Hydronix: "why at the forum?"
19:45:56 [eXS]Hydronix: "i thought this is a moderator chat"
19:59:40 Selvarian: "We need to move on before Faustus' time is up."
19:59:50 Selvarian: "It is, but we have moved on to the next topic."
19:46:13 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Hydro yeah but we're trying to stay on topic and reduce the clutter."
[19:46:19 21/01/02] * ICC Jump Gate has entered the room...
19:46:25 [eXS]Hydronix: "didnt knew this has no priority"
[19:46:32 21/01/02] * [ C `] Dwarden whispered "what was mean with line Selvarian whispered "Thanks, you are special to me, too, David.""
19:46:43 [-GTN-]Demorian: "next topic?"
[19:46:45 21/01/02] * [ C `] Dwarden whispered "and this line was reaction for what?"
19:46:46 [eXS]Hydronix: "sorry for disturbing"
[19:46:58 21/01/02] * [Evil]MaDB|otcH whispered "lol, is that name "ICC Jump Gate" a bit of an exploit?"
19:47:07 [-GTN-]Demorian: "s'ok Hydro"
[19:47:20 21/01/02] * [Evil]MaDB|otcH whispered "I.E. regarding targeting. You might confuse it on the radar with the actual jumpgate..."
* Selvarian whispered "Just replying to your earlier comment about nominating me in the forum and that you want to be considered for some special treatment in the future."
20:01:22 Selvarian: "OK."
[19:47:42 21/01/02] * Vinco-ITG whispered "demorian talks a lot... make him your secretary "
20:01:40 Selvarian: "Next topic. /unban command."
[19:48:03 21/01/02] * [ C `] Dwarden whispered "lol it was mean that IT can end in friend2friend solutions .e.g XhelpY and then YhelpX"
19:48:07 [ C `]Acid_Jiles: "get a move on"
20:01:52 Selvarian: "Faustus, what is the status of this."
19:48:14 [-GTN-]Demorian: "aieeeee not that one"
20:01:56 Selvarian: "??"
19:48:18 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Acid"
[19:48:21 21/01/02] * [MoA]Soul132 has entered the room...
19:48:21 [-GTN-]Demorian: "please remain silent"
19:48:26 Cuisinart: "I am in favor of an unban command"
19:48:33 Smokey: "me too"
19:48:44 [-GTN-]Demorian: "me too"
19:48:44 Vinco-ITG: "agreed"
19:48:47 [DI]H@VOC: "i second it maistake are made at times"
19:48:49 Cuisinart: "Slightly off topic, the F9 menu does NOT list all players on the server"
19:48:52 [PS]Faustus: "me too.. just haven't got it implemented yet"
19:48:53 [DI]H@VOC: "err"
19:48:59 [DI]H@VOC: "mistakes"
19:49:05 [PS]Faustus: "I'm debugging sirius right now.. so AFK"
20:02:58 Selvarian: "I think having another admin would solve some of the issues, but it makes it much easier to do without having to use the forum control panel, even for an admin."
[19:49:42 21/01/02] * [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "we should bring up the midreporting of badges in game, if we have time....its a bug thats been around too long. i just got my gold bomber today and it told me i got gold star"
20:03:47 Selvarian: "OK. So, that will have to be tabled for later."
19:50:13 Cuisinart: "well that was easy, next topic ?"
20:03:57 Selvarian: "It looks like it is going to happen, though."
20:04:11 Selvarian: "Next topic, beta forum?"
19:51:02 Vinco-ITG: "we need it"
19:51:05 Cuisinart: "makes sense to have a beta forum if your gonna have beta servers"
20:04:47 Selvarian: "A place to discuss beta testing without cluttering up the standard forums with issues and confusing the non-beta players."
19:51:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "agreed"
19:51:46 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "sounds good"
19:51:48 Cuisinart: "another easy one"
20:05:46 Selvarian: "Faustus? Any thoughts on this and/or when we can get it?"
19:52:12 [MoA]Bumblebee: "a YES from me 2"
19:52:20 [DI]H@VOC: "hes AFK"
19:52:23 Cuisinart: "I believe he is afk"
19:52:40 Smokey: "debuging the sirus server"
19:53:02 [-GTN-]Demorian: "brb getting food"
20:06:44 Selvarian: "Yeah, I know, but he is occasionally watching. I'll post it later. next topic."
19:53:06 Smokey: "i think it will be added.. just remind Faustus..."
[19:53:21 21/01/02] * Cuisinart whispered "I see your in GA, I'm in SC =)"
19:53:36 [MoA]Spirit: "yes a extra beta forum would be ok "
20:07:24 Selvarian: "Exploits. I think it is getting pointless to discuss exploits in the meetings."
19:54:00 Cuisinart: "agreed"
19:54:06 Smokey: "yes"
19:54:09 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "agreed"
19:54:15 [eXS]Geo: "oh no ... not again Exploits...."
20:08:05 Selvarian: "Everyone has a valid point of view, so I think we just need to keep it in the forums and decide there, probably by a vote."
19:54:29 [eXS]Geo: "Cu m8s ... have fun today!"
19:54:38 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "agreed"
20:08:22 Selvarian: "Geo -> We're not bringing up exploits, that's the point."
19:54:47 Vinco-ITG: "I agree totally, sel"
19:54:52 [DI]H@VOC: "I have to go give my daughter a ride some were ill be AFK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry to interrupt "
19:54:57 [MoA]FrankySZ: "agreed sel"
19:54:58 Smokey: "geo i don't think we're going to discuse it"
19:55:17 Cuisinart: "anyone not agree ?"
19:55:22 [-GTN-]Demorian: "i agree"
19:55:24 Cuisinart: "anyone at all?"
19:55:27 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "heh, we're spending more time discussing "not discussing it.""
20:09:12 Selvarian: "We're agreeing NOT to discuss it here any more unless it has game-shattering impact AND has been hashed THOROUGHLY in the forums."
[19:55:41 21/01/02] * [-GTN-]Demorian laughs at [Evil]MaDB|otcH...
19:55:44 [MoA]Spirit: "for the exploits: We are all know there enough of them and we cant do anything against it beside hoping for the future"
19:55:45 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "right"
19:55:55 Cuisinart: "I think its safe to close the subject selv"
19:55:57 [-GTN-]Demorian: "AND, selv....."
19:56:03 Smokey: "yes"
20:09:47 Selvarian: "OK. Now that that is settled, I am out of topics."
19:56:09 [MoA]FrankySZ: "right Spirit"
19:56:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "unless we don't know its getting fixed"
19:56:15 [-GTN-]Demorian: "like the ubercustom ships "
20:09:55 Selvarian: "Anyone have anything to add?"
19:56:30 [-GTN-]Demorian: "what about old code coming back to scenarios"
19:56:35 [-GTN-]Demorian: "a la my post in suggestions forum"
19:56:37 Cuisinart: "Yea, I'm tired of crashing =)"
19:56:43 [-GTN-]Demorian: ""The Game in Scenario.....and the Game in MV..""
19:56:44 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "ah yes"
19:56:51 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "i'm for the old code"
20:10:36 Selvarian: "The only issue with exploits is that we all agree on what is and what is not so we mete out fair punishments over them. That's it."
19:56:54 [-GTN-]Demorian: "let me explain"
19:56:57 Smokey: "getting 0.25 points for captureing an enemey planets instead of the regular 1.0......."
19:56:59 [-GTN-]Demorian: "for those that don't know what i mean"
19:57:06 [MoA]Bumblebee: "back"
20:10:54 Selvarian: "Yes. That is actually on my list, off the screen."
19:57:12 Cuisinart: "Honestly I like the old code better anyway"
19:57:21 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "trade/planet buildup/population growth takes simply too long to be viable in the scenario games. something should be done."
19:57:24 [-GTN-]Demorian: "okay, basically heres the deal......the scenarios are short matches..."
19:57:36 [-GTN-]Demorian: "with this new code that takes so long to stabilize economy and stuff, its hard to have a good scenario game"
19:57:43 [-GTN-]Demorian: "HOWEVER, it makes Metaverse really fun."
19:57:51 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "yes"
19:57:55 [-GTN-]Demorian: "so, I think we should all vote on bringing back the old code back to Scenario"
19:57:55 [MoA]Tegan: "I have something to add about planets when they change hands... If i may..."
19:57:57 [-GTN-]Demorian: "meaning:"
19:58:00 [-GTN-]Demorian: "no customization of ships"
19:58:08 [-GTN-]Demorian: "resources required to build ships"
19:58:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "no economy"
19:58:22 [-GTN-]Demorian: "the game as it was in october, but with all current buildings minus starport"
20:12:15 Selvarian: "I whole-heartedly agree."
19:58:39 [-GTN-]Demorian: "ONLY for scenario"
19:58:45 [-GTN-]Demorian: "MV can keep advancing in the new code"
19:58:45 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "agree 100% demorian (except maybe you can still pick up weapons off dead ships. but NO jettisoning cargo)"
19:58:48 [-GTN-]Demorian: "what do you guys think?"
19:58:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "and secnario with 50% gain against MV"
19:58:53 Cuisinart: "sounds like alot of work for Faustus"
19:58:53 [ C `] Faravid: "hmm why not ship customizing"
19:59:07 [-GTN-]Demorian: "because it takes away from the strategy of the game. you work to earn a certain ship"
19:59:07 [MoA]Spirit: "yes Dem our suggestion forum mod is getting online "
19:59:08 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Cuisinart not necessarily, if he has backups of the old code "
19:59:12 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "agreed Dem"
19:59:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "instead of just making it yourself"
19:59:13 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "he can just implement it."
20:12:56 Selvarian: "Tegan, go ahead and speak your proposal."
19:59:25 [MoA]FrankySZ: "agreed Dem"
19:59:33 Cuisinart: "somehow, i don't think it will be so easy"
19:59:41 [-GTN-]Demorian: "we can ask Faustus about it"
19:59:46 [-GTN-]Demorian: "i do acknowledge the fact that it may take time"
19:59:53 [MoA]Bumblebee: "agreed dem - lol"
19:59:58 [ C `] Faravid: "demorian, ship customizing will change, i mean picking up devices from shot ships"
20:00:02 [-GTN-]Demorian: "if he still has the old code backed up then it should work fine."
20:00:05 [MoA]Tegan: "Well i noticed that if you capture another planet the transport still sais to the first faction that planet was captured by.. Is it possible to transports to change to the proper faction?"
20:13:48 Selvarian: "Well, I think we are all in basic agreement that there is a problem that needs to be fixed."
20:00:15 [-GTN-]Demorian: "perhaps, Fara, but some of it is up to Faustus too."
20:00:16 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "I remember the code in october being quite stable too... If there's a backup of the old code it would take little to implement."
20:00:22 [MoA]Bumblebee: "correct"
20:00:35 [-GTN-]Demorian: "but basically, i think its pretty much decided that pre-1.3 code goes back to Scenario. now its just up to Faustus"
20:00:51 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Yea, the code in october was very stable. and it was also when i had the most fun"
20:00:52 [ C `] Dwarden: "Tegan ... trasnport wanst captured...so it have old Thinking and loyl crew to its previous faction"
20:00:55 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Tegan, you're correct but I think it would look silly if the ship simply morphed/changed into a different faction the moment the planet is capped."
20:01:02 [-GTN-]Demorian: "if you don't build your planets you don't build your ships, that was the game of DS"
20:14:49 Selvarian: "Well, i can make no speculations about the state of the code or how easy it would be, based on that info, to change, but I would TEND to think that it would be a fairly easy change."
20:01:07 [ C `] Dwarden: "so u must capture that transport too"
20:01:15 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Yeah demo."
20:01:21 [MoA]Tegan: "well how about the next transport..."
20:01:22 [-GTN-]Demorian: "agreed, Selv"
20:01:42 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Tegan the next transport IS of the faction of the planet."
20:01:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "next trasnport builded on planet of course have right faction"
20:01:50 [MoA]Tegan: "not from what i see"
20:15:35 Selvarian: "You're just limiting some of the extensions and their effects on the game."
20:01:58 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "i.e. if a planet gets capped by ICC, the next transport out of the gate is an ICC trans."
20:01:58 [MoA]Tegan: "i spent 3 hours in mv watching"
20:02:01 Cuisinart: "well the economy for scenario and MV has always been the same, now you propose to change that..."
20:02:02 [MoA]Tegan: "it still stayed the same"
20:02:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "tegan on my planet (i recaptured) was builded 3 trasnports all correct ones"
20:02:22 [-GTN-]Demorian: "yes Cuisinart"
20:02:32 [-GTN-]Demorian: "because the new economy takes longer than a typical scenario to even get started"
20:02:34 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Cuisinart, the MV and the Scenario are now so different that a change must be implemented for both to remain practical."
20:02:36 [ C `] Dwarden: "so it must be random bug ..."
20:02:49 Cuisinart: "I agree, I'm just saying that it may not be so easy to do"
20:02:54 [MoA]Tegan: "recaptured or captured from the other faction for the first time?"
20:02:55 [-GTN-]Demorian: "i have not seen a defense base in scenario for days"
20:03:08 Smokey: "i spent 6 hours in the metaverse the other days and it took about that time for percy to finally make pop on the planet from beinging all screwed up.."
20:03:15 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Yeah i've never seen a defence base in scenario."
20:03:23 [ C `] Dwarden: "recaptured planet "
20:03:29 [ C `] Dwarden: "but before was only icc"
20:03:40 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Plus often in the scenario planets have 0 population or 2 population and nothing changes."
20:03:41 [ C `] Dwarden: "next transports arrived with Chimera ownership"
20:03:46 [BIS]Bionicman: "1 medium system build up indisturbed takes 6 - 10 hours to build up"
20:03:47 Cuisinart: "On a side note, would be nice for AI transports to use Jumpdrive"
20:17:34 Selvarian: "It may not, Cuis, but then again, it may. It all depends on how it was coded. It's kinda moot until Faustus gets around to looking at it. All we are trying to do here is to get everyone on board with the idea that there is a problem that needs addressing and how to address it."
20:04:00 [MoA]Tegan: "maybe random bug..."
20:04:09 [-GTN-]Demorian: "agreed Cuisi"
20:17:54 Selvarian: "Implementation details aside, it needs to be addressed."
20:04:13 [ C `] Faravid: "cuisi, as faust said that will change"
20:04:21 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "How about the idea of Colony Transports, or the ability of a regular transport ship to transport population from one planet to another. Might make getting things started a bit easier."
20:04:25 Cuisinart: "Very well, I'm onboard"
20:04:27 [MoA]Bumblebee: "are you still alive??"
20:04:28 Smokey: "only problem is with jump drive you can't pirate the transports... only get them at their start or destionation.."
20:04:31 Cuisinart: "yea"
20:04:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "yeah"
20:04:46 Smokey: "i like transporting of colonists"
20:04:51 [ C `] Faravid: "smokey, interdictor"
20:04:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "population Civil Passenger Lines "
20:04:52 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Smokey, it's too easy to pirate them anyway."
20:04:56 [ C `] Dwarden: "CPL ships "
20:05:02 Cuisinart: "sure you can, remember the interdictor?"
20:05:14 [ C `] Faravid: "you locate their trading route and put an interdictor there"
20:18:58 Selvarian: "OK. Well, I will post and email some of the stuff that needs Faustus attention to him."
20:05:19 Smokey: "yeah true... but later it will add to it when there is more ppl playing..."
20:05:23 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "hehe dwar. conditions on a transport may not be... comfortable for passengers... but hey, that's war for ya."
20:05:35 [MoA]Tegan: "If I may suggest 1 more thing?"
20:05:46 [-GTN-]Demorian: "like my topic, Selv ^_^ hehe"
20:05:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "MAd no i speak about whole new Ship type!"
20:19:40 Selvarian: "I think the MV/Scenario issue is resolved, anyone else have any other comments on it?"
20:06:03 [ C `] Dwarden: "Special Designed to passenger transport"
20:06:05 Smokey: "make it so that you can load 1 pop like 1 troop from a planet.. a transport can hold 10..."
20:06:18 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "oh lol. Passenger Liner? hahaha it would be a silly ship, because it's purpose is so limited."
20:06:22 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "yeah smokey."
20:06:32 [ C `] Dwarden: "Mad"
20:06:34 [ C `] Dwarden: "AI ship"
20:06:36 Smokey: "and limit it to the transport or something.."
20:06:36 [=USO=]Kharn: "dwarden good idea solves population problem at start of planets"
20:06:39 [ C `] Dwarden: "not human controled"
20:06:46 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "ahhh, that would be interesting "
20:06:53 [MoA]Tegan: "I think we need a difrent ship to deliver carge to colonies... Troop transport just doesn't work in my head as a cargo"
20:07:01 [ C `] Dwarden: "it keeps feeling of real life pulsing universe"
20:20:45 Selvarian: "OK. I think we are done with the meeting issues. Anyone else have any official items to bring up?"
20:07:08 [MoA]Tegan: "Maybe a Mearchantman vessel"
20:07:08 Cuisinart: "of course it should'nt be a military target"
20:07:11 [ C `] Dwarden: "yeah Cargo Freighters"
20:07:14 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Tegan I think that's going to happen. It's supposed to be a freighter."
20:07:23 [MoA]Tegan: "k"
20:07:27 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "It's just there's no model/data for a freighter made yet."
20:07:29 [MoA]Bumblebee: "not from me selv"
20:07:37 [MoA]Spirit: "none from me - bye"
20:07:52 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "Selv it looks pretty wrapped up."
20:07:54 Cuisinart: "Faustus, are you in Beta1?"
20:07:54 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "nothing from me too"
20:08:11 [=USO=]Kharn: "no ia am"
20:21:50 Selvarian: "Thanks again, everyone!"
20:21:56 Selvarian: "Meeting is adjourned."
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