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Danek Ma`arna C`arns
Fleet Admiral
Joined: March 26, 2004
Posts: 102
From: Atlanta
|  Posted: 2009-03-19 11:24
(not listing arcs as they do not matter, I guess)
Claw, Predator Class
PSI Engine x2
AM Jump
ECM
AHR
Cloak
Organic Armor x7
Torpedo x6
Beam x9
Stinger, Predator Class
PSI Engine x2
AM Jump
ECM
AHR
Cloak
Organic Armor x8
Cannon x8
Beam x2
Shell, Predator Class
PSI Engine x2
AM Jump
ECM
AHR
Cloak
Organic Armor x7
Cannon x6
Missile x5
Beam x2
... I don't keep the Drainer memorized, because I don't use it.
Beak, K'Luth name for frigate Class
PSI Engine x2
AM Jump
ECM
AHR
Cloak
Organic Armor x 3
Cannon x7
Missile x2
Beam x2
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Fattierob
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Joined: April 25, 2003
Posts: 4059
| Posted: 2009-03-19 14:04
Claw, Predator Class
(9* 2 + 6 = 24)
PSI Engine x2
AM Jump
(1 + 3 + 4 = 8)
ECM
AHR
Cloak
(7 * 7 = 49)
Organic Armor x7
(6 * 1 + 9 * 1 = 15)
Torpedo x6
Beam x9 (all Disrupters? No Heavy?)
Total: 96
Stinger, Predator Class
(9*2 + 6 = 24)
PSI Engine x2
AM Jump
(1 + 3 + 4 = 8)
ECM
AHR
Cloak
(7*8 = 56)
Organic Armor x8
(8*1 + 2*1 = 10)
Cannon x8
Beam x2 (Not heavy?)
Total: 98
Shell, Predator Class
(9*2 + 6 = 24)
PSI Engine x2
AM Jump
(1 + 3 + 4 = 8)
ECM
AHR
Cloak
(7 * 7 = 49)
Organic Armor x7
(6*1 + 5 * 1 + 2 * 1 = 13)
Cannon x6
Missile x5
Beam x2 (not heavy?)
Total: 94
all three ships are on par with the 96 "average" for a destroyer.
Beak, K'Luth name for frigate Class
(9*2 + 6 = 24)
PSI Engine x2
AM Jump
(1 + 3 + 4 = 8)
ECM
AHR
Cloak
(7 * 3 = 21)
Organic Armor x 3
(7*1 + 2*1 + 2*1 = 11)
Cannon x7
Missile x2
Beam x2
Total: 67
A bit thin - frigates "average" is 78...it's not three engines on the beak, thus giving it 75 total "size", which seems more correct?
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Shigernafy
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Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 5726
From: The Land of Taxation without Representation
| Posted: 2009-03-19 17:06
It might maneuver better than destroyers, but I doubt it'd be quite like a frigate just from that difference in mass - turn rates, speeds and whatnot are set on a per-hull basis and vary a decent amount because of the hull size; mass and engine types then have a small-ish effect thereafter.
In other words, maybe a destroyer with just three engines would handle similar to a heavy frigate. Even there, I expect the frigate would be better.
You're right - it'd be a very maneuverable destroyer. But I don't think it'd be frigatesque.
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Danek Ma`arna C`arns
Fleet Admiral
Joined: March 26, 2004
Posts: 102
From: Atlanta
| Posted: 2009-03-19 18:09
No Rob, I do not know the stats of the current Scale (VA), but prior to that, only the Parasite has Assault Beams, 3 of them. The Drainer has none... it is some kind of horrible disruptor and missiles I-don't-know- what-I-will-be-fighting- so- I-will-just -suck-at-everything hybrid crap.
And my point about them being underpoints was if armor was worth the 3 instead of the 7.
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Eledore Massis [R33]
Grand Admiral
Templar Knights
Joined: May 26, 2002
Posts: 2694
From: tsohlacoLocalhost
| Posted: 2009-03-19 19:09
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| On 2009-03-19 17:06, Shigernafy wrote:
You're right - it'd be a very maneuverable destroyer. But I don't think it'd be frigatesque. |
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Of course not. But indeed it would be a extremely maneuverable destroyer..
Ok if i recall my talks with Drafell correctly it should be something like......Standard destroyer should be around: (base) 14 + (96*0.66=) 63.4 = 77.4 mass
Standard frigate would be around: 9 + (78*0.5=)39 = 48 mass
The first suggested layout would be: 14 + (65*0.66=) 42.9 = 56.9 mass
(p.s. i recall there was a extra 0.25 mass for every armor slot, but that sentence stating that, is no longer present on the Developer Guide. so i haven't included that calculation/rule.)
So i agree with Frob.. layout is way to light to be a destroyer unless you want it to almost handle like a frigate.
And about the K'Luth frigates, you might want to recount the devices because... They have 5 organic armors...
- Nymph
2x9=18 PSI
1x6=06 AMJD
2x1=02 PSI can
4x1=04 AM Torp
4x1=04 Ruptor
5x7=35 Or Armor
1x3=03 AHR
1x1=01 ECM
1x4=04 Cloak
total:77
- Beak
2x9=18 PSi
1x6=06 AMJD
7x1=07 PSI can
2x2=02 Shredder
2x2=02 Ruptor
5x7=35 Or Armor
1x3=03 AHR
1x1=01 ECM
1x4=04 Cloak
total:78
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