On 2009-11-04 17:03, Krim {C?} wrote:
One way to think about Flux being underpowerd from an opponent's viewpoint. Have you ever seen the sparkle of a flux wave and gone "Oh crap! i'm screwed now!" or have you ever had a fleet of AI flux you and go "oh crap, thats alot of flux waves" And as for flux beams, considering they are only on a handful of vessles (Assault Destroyer, Torpedo Cruiser, EAD) You think they would do something other than look pretty. Even combined, sustained firing of flux beams isn't going to do anything.

Yes flux still scares me. Admittedly if I'm only fighting a single UGTO ship then I'm not as worried about systems damage, but when 2 or more ugto ships are firing at me, systems damage is still a real concern, the only difference is that flux/emp is not the weapon of God like it was before. Where pre-update it only took 2 maybe 3 shots to toast an entire ship, post-update it takes 4-5 to toast a couple systems, which is exactly as it should be.

The other factor about flux is that it's short range (limited to 250gu and under) combined with the fact that the armor and shields must be down on that facing it should do something one on one. When you're that close, if you have multiple ships within that short range, you typically cant fire due to Friendly fire possibilities. also taking into consideration that all the flux beams are fore mounted and you have more limitations when using it.

welcome to the problem that EVERY SHIP IN THE GAME FACES!!!!! Weapons only fire on certain arcs, learn to pilot your ship and out maneuver your opponents so that you can use said weapons. After you have mastered that, learn to co-ordinate with your teammates and not mash spacebar even though you clearly see that one of your own ships is in the way.

and FYI: when I'm fighting multiple ships, I maneuver so that I force my opponents to line up effectively taking one out of the fight, albeit temporarily. In fact, i always hope that that second ship will keep firing.

For weapons that are supposed to be unique, and difficult to use, they shoudl do more....

you are not the ultimate ship with the ultimate weapons (that honor belongs to a scout with maverick's weapon augmentation) weapons damage stacks and multiplies, you need to be in a group for ANY WEAPON to be truly effective, that is how they "do more".

I do see what your problem is though, now that your ultimate ace-up-your-sleves trump card has been turned into a mere king, you are upset that now you need legitimate tactics to be effective in combat

On 2009-11-04 17:43, MrSparkle wrote:

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On 2009-11-04 15:19, Pakhos wrote: Quote: On 2009-11-04 12:18, MrSparkle wrote: Yes flux beam, flux wave, emp and ELF are all underpowered. Flux beam and wave isnt really big deal fro kluth since kluth has ahr. But poor icc, takes 5 mins to repair system damage if u cant find supply .

True but I'm not basing it on their effect on Kluth. I'm basing it more on long ago when they actually did decent systems damage and ELF actually drained a significant amount of energy.

Mines are underpowered too btw I'd say that's for another thread but might as well lump them in here with the other underpowered weapons.

On 2009-11-04 17:55, Light404 wrote:

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On 2009-11-04 17:03, Krim {C?} wrote: Yes flux still scares me. Admittedly if I'm only fighting a single UGTO ship then I'm not as worried about systems damage, but when 2 or more ugto ships are firing at me, systems damage is still a real concern, the only difference is that flux/emp is not the weapon of God like it was before. Where pre-update it only took 2 maybe 3 shots to toast an entire ship, post-update it takes 4-5 to toast a couple systems, which is exactly as it should be. welcome to the problem that EVERY SHIP IN THE GAME FACES!!!!! Weapons only fire on certain arcs, learn to pilot your ship and out maneuver your opponents so that you can use said weapons. After you have mastered that, learn to co-ordinate with your teammates and not mash spacebar even though you clearly see that one of your own ships is in the way. and FYI: when I'm fighting multiple ships, I maneuver so that I force my opponents to line up effectively taking one out of the fight, albeit temporarily. In fact, i always hope that that second ship will keep firing. For weapons that are supposed to be unique, and difficult to use, they shoudl do more.... you are not the ultimate ship with the ultimate weapons (that honor belongs to a scout with maverick's weapon augmentation) weapons damage stacks and multiplies, you need to be in a group for ANY WEAPON to be truly effective, that is how they "do more". I do see what your problem is though, now that your ultimate ace-up-your-sleves trump card has been turned into a mere king, you are upset that now you need legitimate tactics to be effective in combat

On 2009-11-04 21:30, MrSparkle wrote:
ELF does that now, it's just so little you don't notice it.

On 2009-11-06 11:12, flyerken wrote:
The problem with balancing flux is AHR.
If you make it powerful enough that it has effect on kluth ships then it will devastate ICC ships. If you balance it with ICC ships then kluth doesn't even notice it because it will be repaired in no time.
An easy way for this to be balanced is for systems that are damaged by flux will not be repaired by the AHR. This way you can easily balance flux.

also i would like to remind you that kluths are biological ships. With your way of thinking, it should never get effected by flux. How about that?