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Sinister Strawberry
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|  Posted: 2010-04-19 19:31
Ive seen ICC scouts get alpha'd at point blank by mandys, nests, TC, AD,EADs, and their sheilds only falling 2-5%. then they turn around and do massive damage with their few weapons? is this a bug or how scouts are supposed to be now??
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UnknownWarrior
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From: North Carolina, USA
| Posted: 2010-04-19 19:36
Most of the problems Ive seen with this is d-sync. Ive seen fellow ICC Scouts get vaporized by EAD's and Stations. Krills and Siphons have also been notorious for vaporizing ICC Scouts.
You also need to take into consideration a scouts enhancements. Plus is the scout is a good pilot, the second the alpha attack starts and they ejump that same instant, the alpha does almost no damage unless the torps and core weapons hit before the scout jumps.
This is just my experience, I cant speak for everyone else.
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Bardiche
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| Posted: 2010-04-19 19:46
I believe beams don't do damage if you leave their effective range.
I additionally believe some Scouts utilise a combination of Magnetron shields - leading to their very-difficult-to-kill status.
Which Scouts are doing the high damage? Also, how much damage is "massive"?
[ This Message was edited by: Bardiche on 2010-04-19 19:46 ]
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Delando
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| Posted: 2010-04-19 19:53
Yah, no supprised, tc alpha dont work well on scouts, try manual deontate torps
u need specialized weaponry to deal with small ships, something fast, like Gauss cannons.
Anti matter mines from scarabs works also.
or just scout-up urself and destroy em ship-to-ship
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Pakhos[+R]
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| Posted: 2010-04-19 20:30
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Anti matter mines from scarabs of Pakhos also works.
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Fix'ed.
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2010-04-19 22:06
You forgot my mines too, Pak. 
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Eledore Massis [R33]
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| Posted: 2010-04-20 02:26
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I believe beams don't do damage if you leave their effective range. |
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This is one of the major factors when playing a corvette
When you know the enemy's layout you know where not to go. and what there weapons range is.
hmm gota test the folowing again, haven't done it since 1.483
Beams:
when the target has gone over the maximum range, the visual representation might continue but the dammage is no longer applied.
when a target has gone outside the weapons fire arc, the visual representation might continue but the dammage is no longer applied.
(second one, varification dates back to my 1.480 info. SO THIS MAY NOT APPLY currently.)
cannons:
Its a miss or lose situation. When a cannon round has gone to its maximum range it vanishes.
when a target has gone outside the weapons fire arc, the cannon rounds might visual be shot but the dammage is no longer applied.
(second one, varification dates back to my 1.480 info. SO THIS MAY NOT APPLY currently.)
Will strive to test all the damage situations again this week. And hope to give some more information back in this topic.
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Tael
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| Posted: 2010-04-20 03:28
Little fast nimble ships are hard to hit with big ol' clunky cannons and torps.
A large cruiser can look down in the water and see two torpedos racing at it and have no hope of getting out of the way in time... A smaller skiff could easily dodge the torps.
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2010-04-20 03:30
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On 2010-04-20 02:26, Eledore Massis [R33] wrote:
Beams:
when the target has gone over the maximum range, the visual representation might continue but the dammage is no longer applied.
when a target has gone outside the weapons fire arc, the visual representation might continue but the dammage is no longer applied.
(second one, varification dates back to my 1.480 info. SO THIS MAY NOT APPLY currently.)
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Now this is of interest to me Ele.
How about beams targetting Kluth ships. I noticed that after going into cloak, the beams continue to trace my ship.
But the enemy cannons are already being fired in another direction. I would surmise that I've already dropped off his scope.
2 questions:
Are the beams then still giving me damage?
Is my enemy still able to see the beam track me and know where I am (his point of view)?
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Eledore Massis
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| Posted: 2010-04-20 03:55
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2 questions:
Are the beams then still giving me damage?
Is my enemy still able to see the beam track me and know where I am (his point of view)? |
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the first one is unknown to me at the moment.
Never did that test, but will try it out.
but the second one i have some data. again from 1.480: when the target vanishes or you are unabled to target it, previously fired beams still track the target.
And i recall from recant gaming, this still applies.
(beams still folow a luth ship that just cloaked. I am uncertain however if the luth's are fully cloaked at the time.)
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Shigernafy
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From: The Land of Taxation without Representation
| Posted: 2010-04-20 04:28
Cloak just disables the ability to make a new lock on a ship; weapons already fired can still do damage, though. So a beam hitting a cloaked ship will damage it.
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2010-04-20 04:51
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On 2010-04-20 04:28, Shigernafy wrote:
Cloak just disables the ability to make a new lock on a ship; weapons already fired can still do damage, though. So a beam hitting a cloaked ship will damage it.
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Righto. That answers one question.
How abt the second?
Let's say this Elite Assault Donkey opens up on me and I go into cloak. Now I'm already invisible and his beams are still tracking me and is burning into my spindly hide. But at the same time, his cannon shots are going wide. I assume he lost lock onme.
But does this mean that he and all his buddies in the vicinity can still see his beams tracking me and just blindfire at where its going?
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2010-04-20 05:12
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On 2010-04-20 03:55, Eledore Massis wrote:
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| On 2010-04-20 03:30, Kenny_Naboo wrote:
2 questions:
Are the beams then still giving me damage?
Is my enemy still able to see the beam track me and know where I am (his point of view)? |
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the first one is unknown to me at the moment.
Never did that test, but will try it out.
but the second one i have some data. again from 1.480: when the target vanishes or you are unabled to target it, previously fired beams still track the target.
And i recall from recant gaming, this still applies.
(beams still folow a luth ship that just cloaked. I am uncertain however if the luth's are fully cloaked at the time.)
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This is what I observe.
I'm just wondering... since he's lost lock on me, ideally the beams should stop tracking me too.
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Rebellion
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From: sol
| Posted: 2010-04-20 13:47
i think scouts should have QST about 10 photon torps and 25 flux beams i think that would fix ur problem =-)(
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Mr.Grim[Loyalist]
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From: Behind you
| Posted: 2010-04-20 16:35
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On 2010-04-20 13:47, CRAZY45. wrote:
i think scouts should have QST about 10 photon torps and 25 flux beams i think that would fix ur problem =-)(
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now in the 1.483 editor that would be possible but not now lol 
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