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philll
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|  Posted: 2010-05-19 05:05
Wait, wasnt the reason of this post to limit core weapons, you want to stick them on fighters? Anyways, fighters as they are do plenty of damage in packs.
You cant compare damage output to real life, a scout can survive a full dread alpha in some cases, watch that happen in real life.
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Great Budda
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| Posted: 2010-05-19 05:56
Happened alot during WWII...... PT boats got shot at by larger ships all the time and actually had a decent survivability because of their speed and manuverability......... unless they got run over.
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Kenny_Naboo
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| Posted: 2010-05-19 06:53
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On 2010-05-19 05:05, philll wrote:
Wait, wasnt the reason of this post to limit core weapons, you want to stick them on fighters? Anyways, fighters as they are do plenty of damage in packs.
You cant compare damage output to real life, a scout can survive a full dread alpha in some cases, watch that happen in real life.
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Fighters are currently armed with what? PC and Psi? They don't really do that much damage 'cos each carrier only carries a few of them. Limited in number due to server limits, as I heard. Furthermore, they're easily taken out by PD and pulse waves once they get near.
In the end, I see them as irritants, not as a threat. Doesn't really make carriers very useful other than in the diversionary or pre-attack role.
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philll
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| Posted: 2010-05-19 07:33
I meant a full alpha actually hitting, 1 16" shell should be enough to tear any corvette vessel in half.
What would happen if you made fighters into flying torps that can be spamed at will? Theyd be effective sure, but the next thing to happen would be 8 Aggies sitting around a planet pumping them out non stop.
There would have to be a severe limit on their availability to stop another "unbalance" such as the core weapons as they are portaied now.
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Talien
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| Posted: 2010-05-19 09:45
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On 2010-05-19 05:05, philll wrote:
Wait, wasnt the reason of this post to limit core weapons, you want to stick them on fighters? Anyways, fighters as they are do plenty of damage in packs.
You cant compare damage output to real life, a scout can survive a full dread alpha in some cases, watch that happen in real life.
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I'd have to agree, core weaps on fighters is a bad idea. A new specialized anti-cap fighter with torpedoes, sure, but core weapons? Remember there are some cruisers with nothing but a general rank req that have fighters, it'd be like adding a pair of core weapons onto an ICC Border Cruiser.
I don't know about UGTO scouts but ICC scouts (and I'm pretty sure Kluth too) can't survive a full alpha from anything bigger than a Cruiser, and usually even that will do it if they get caught sitting at a planet.
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Lrd_Hunter
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| Posted: 2010-05-19 12:45
What would happen if you made fighters into flying torps that can be spamed at will? Theyd be effective sure, but the next thing to happen would be 8 Aggies sitting around a planet pumping them out non stop.
There would have to be a severe limit on their availability to stop another "unbalance" such as the core weapons as they are portaied now.
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there is a limit on fighters and stuff now you can only have so many out. I agree that fighters need to uped a little not much just a little but not core weapons or torps be to unbalance just need to up there weapons damage.
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Zero28
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| Posted: 2010-05-19 17:39
finally someone agrees to my Torpedo Bomber fighter 
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Starcommander
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From: In your base, stealing your cookies
| Posted: 2010-05-19 18:55
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On 2010-05-19 17:39, Zero28 wrote:
finally someone agrees to my Torpedo Bomber fighter
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Your not the first one to think it up, in fact its been discussed for a while now.
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Glaceon
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| Posted: 2010-05-19 22:08
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On 2010-05-13 01:47, Lonectzn wrote:
Are still too good.
I know they've gone through a couple nerfs, but that has been changed by the sheer number of them that go around and the enhancements available. Look at the krill - with range enhancements it becomes a cloaking long range sniper far outperforming missiles. And in general they really don't have any disadvantages over torps.
Ideally I would drop their speed massively. I'm talking slower than AM torpedoes. This would not change their use against large slow ships, by render them useless against anything small and quick, even at close range. It just makes no sense to have these things own everything.
I should say I'm biased, I always thought they were a terrible idea that basically became a cheap and lazy catch-all weapon. I'd still like to be rid of them altogether.
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imho core weps are supposed to be all that cause they are only for dreads and above and i think if u goten there u deserve a core wep + the krill is recuired at the rank of GA witch is like the battle station also has loads of core wep
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Lithium
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| Posted: 2010-05-20 00:14
Core Weapons were originally designed to Destroy All Small Ships in 1000 gu Area.
Therefore Core Weapons are currently underpowered.
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Azreal
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| Posted: 2010-05-20 05:32
the issue here is that Kluth have them of course. This should not be. They should only get mining beams and beacons.
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Glaceon
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| Posted: 2010-05-20 07:04
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On 2010-05-20 05:32, Azreal wrote:
the issue here is that Kluth have them of course. This should not be. They should only get mining beams and beacons.
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dont forget the 1 uber long recharge and uber weak powered super nerfed ruptor for point defence.
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philll
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| Posted: 2010-05-20 07:10
I love how change brings everyone together
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Glaceon
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| Posted: 2010-05-20 07:12
most of the time i get hit before by the krill because i thought was psi cannon shoot lol i was thinking just 1 psi cannon? the SI wer in the psi cannon cluster can we just make the core weps more vicible instead cause its hard to dodge what u cant see (ugto gets the most seen so easly dodged QST)
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Zero28
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| Posted: 2010-05-20 08:41
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On 2010-05-19 18:55, Starcommand of ICC wrote:
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On 2010-05-19 17:39, Zero28 wrote:
finally someone agrees to my Torpedo Bomber fighter
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Your not the first one to think it up, in fact its been discussed for a while now.
yup, a "DAM" while i was trying to bring this up
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