On 2010-11-08 05:02, Code Red {Cosmic Nomad} wrote:
The 2 main ships in question are laid out as follows:

Battle Dread - 2QST , 4 fighters , 2 missile , 1 HCL , 6 LCL , 8 cannons , 4 heavy cannons.


Combat Dread - 2 Ions , 4 fighters , 4 missile , 1 HCL , 6 LCL , 2 cannons , 4 heavy cannons.


Enough said me thinks.

On 2010-11-08 11:31, The Fridge wrote:

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On 2010-11-08 05:02, Code Red {Cosmic Nomad} wrote: The 2 main ships in question are laid out as follows: Battle Dread - 2QST , 4 fighters , 2 missile , 1 HCL , 6 LCL , 8 cannons , 4 heavy cannons. Combat Dread - 2 Ions , 4 fighters , 4 missile , 1 HCL , 6 LCL , 2 cannons , 4 heavy cannons. Enough said me thinks.

Hmm imbalance clearly seen. Especially since the BD has the QST's on front right and left while CD only has front and one side.

Missile wise it's the same again. CD can only fire 2 missiles at one time so basically the same as the BD's.

Cannons are just lawl.

On 2010-11-08 07:11, NoBoDx wrote:


thats why i said "a GOOD supply"

On 2010-11-08 12:09, Jim Starluck wrote:


Okay. Now compare the new versions:

Battle Dread:

12 Heavy Particle Cannons, of which it can fire 7 in any direction
2 Quantum Singularity Torpedoes, both of which fire forward and to sides
6 Standard Chemical Lasers, able to fire 6 forward and 4 to both sides and aft
1 Heavy Chemical Laser, firing both fore and sides

vs

Combat Dread:

12 Heavy Railguns, of which it can fire 8 broadside, 6 fore and aft
2 Ion Cannons, both of which fire fore and broadside
6 Standard Chemical Lasers, able to fire 6 forward and 4 to both sides and aft
1 Heavy Chemical Laser, firing both fore and sides



No fighters, no missiles, guns only, Final Destination.

On 2010-11-08 12:09, Jim Starluck wrote:

Okay. Now compare the new versions:

Battle Dread:

12 Heavy Particle Cannons, of which it can fire 7 in any direction
2 Quantum Singularity Torpedoes, both of which fire forward and to sides
6 Standard Chemical Lasers, able to fire 6 forward and 4 to both sides and aft
1 Heavy Chemical Laser, firing both fore and sides

vs

Combat Dread:

12 Heavy Railguns, of which it can fire 8 broadside, 6 fore and aft
2 Ion Cannons, both of which fire fore and broadside
6 Standard Chemical Lasers, able to fire 6 forward and 4 to both sides and aft
1 Heavy Chemical Laser, firing both fore and sides



No fighters, no missiles, guns only, Final Destination.

On 2010-11-09 19:01, Gin Ichimaru wrote:

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On 2010-11-08 12:09, Jim Starluck wrote: Okay. Now compare the new versions: Battle Dread: 12 Heavy Particle Cannons, of which it can fire 7 in any direction 2 Quantum Singularity Torpedoes, both of which fire forward and to sides 6 Standard Chemical Lasers, able to fire 6 forward and 4 to both sides and aft 1 Heavy Chemical Laser, firing both fore and sides vs Combat Dread: 12 Heavy Railguns, of which it can fire 8 broadside, 6 fore and aft 2 Ion Cannons, both of which fire fore and broadside 6 Standard Chemical Lasers, able to fire 6 forward and 4 to both sides and aft 1 Heavy Chemical Laser, firing both fore and sides No fighters, no missiles, guns only, Final Destination.

Well the Fighters and Missles be added later or No ?

And add like 2 more Heavy Chemical Lasers, then It'll be all good with me

On 2010-11-10 07:43, Aranox wrote:
If you close enough to use the HCL then your not using the ship right there is your problem...

On 2010-11-10 07:43, Aranox wrote:
CD is fine you just need to know how to use it... that JD is how you keep range learn to use it right...1k Range is prime vs Dreads and Stations.. I have used a CD to solo a Luth Hive... cant say that is weak...use the ships strength stay back out of range of ur enemies and use it as a support ship as its intended...the AD is ment to take the hits while the CD sits back and rains dmg upon his enemies.

On 2010-11-10 10:27, Gerlach wrote:

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On 2010-11-10 07:43, Aranox wrote: If you close enough to use the HCL then your not using the ship right there is your problem...

This is completly true, but ...

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On 2010-11-10 07:43, Aranox wrote: CD is fine you just need to know how to use it... that JD is how you keep range learn to use it right...1k Range is prime vs Dreads and Stations.. I have used a CD to solo a Luth Hive... cant say that is weak...use the ships strength stay back out of range of ur enemies and use it as a support ship as its intended...the AD is ment to take the hits while the CD sits back and rains dmg upon his enemies.

... one should be careful with using JD as a way to keep your range. The only other way is to overstack the ship with speed enhancements, which will force you to sacrifice possible weapon or defence enhancements. Doing a short jump can bring you into a lot more trouble than safety while doing a long jump puts you out of combat completly for an extended period of time. And as if it wasn't enough, none of these two ways to keep range work against K'luth ships.
Using CD as a fire support is probably the way it was meant to be used. The major downside is that you can fire only in straight lines and once your allies engage the enemy at close range, you can cause a lot of friendly fire too (applies to any fire support). This will push your damage output a bit more down because of the need to check your fire.

On 2010-11-09 19:01, Gin Ichimaru wrote:

Well the Fighters and Missles be added later or No ?

And add like 2 more Heavy Chemical Lasers, then It'll be all good with me

On 2010-11-10 17:37, Jim Starluck wrote:

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On 2010-11-09 19:01, Gin Ichimaru wrote: Well the Fighters and Missles be added later or No ? And add like 2 more Heavy Chemical Lasers, then It'll be all good with me

Sorry, no can do on either front. No room left over. Would have to strip out guns to add lasers or missiles, and these ships are supposed to be gunboats first and foremost.

For all the new layouts so far, missiles have become something only ever found on missile-specialized ships.

On 2010-11-10 17:24, SpaceAdmiral wrote:
no enh BD and EAD vs CD and AD
CD and AD won, why? because CD kept its range while we were trying to take out the AD, but this was a while ago. Also AD had shield rotation vs EAD.
So CD is an extremely good fire support ship, not a line combat ship. Best used when enemies are busy fending off ADs or to take out smaller ships.(those rails are FAST)
On the contrary, when UGTO is forced to keep range(assaulting planets) the BD will provide great close support to destroy any enemies approaching, but will do little as longer range fire support. Best as close-medium range support for EADs or to take out enemy cruisers/non-assault dreads.

On 2010-11-08 12:09, Jim Starluck wrote:

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On 2010-11-08 11:31, The Fridge wrote: Quote: On 2010-11-08 05:02, Code Red {Cosmic Nomad} wrote: The 2 main ships in question are laid out as follows: Battle Dread - 2QST , 4 fighters , 2 missile , 1 HCL , 6 LCL , 8 cannons , 4 heavy cannons. Combat Dread - 2 Ions , 4 fighters , 4 missile , 1 HCL , 6 LCL , 2 cannons , 4 heavy cannons. Enough said me thinks. Hmm imbalance clearly seen. Especially since the BD has the QST's on front right and left while CD only has front and one side. Missile wise it's the same again. CD can only fire 2 missiles at one time so basically the same as the BD's. Cannons are just lawl.

Okay. Now compare the new versions:

Battle Dread:

12 Heavy Particle Cannons, of which it can fire 7 in any direction
2 Quantum Singularity Torpedoes, both of which fire forward and to sides
6 Standard Chemical Lasers, able to fire 6 forward and 4 to both sides and aft
1 Heavy Chemical Laser, firing both fore and sides

vs

Combat Dread:

12 Heavy Railguns, of which it can fire 8 broadside, 6 fore and aft
2 Ion Cannons, both of which fire fore and broadside
6 Standard Chemical Lasers, able to fire 6 forward and 4 to both sides and aft
1 Heavy Chemical Laser, firing both fore and sides



No fighters, no missiles, guns only, Final Destination.