On 2011-04-24 11:21, Borgie wrote:
taking a planet is already stupid easy, and now you wanna bomb a planet from 10k away?

On 2011-04-24 10:51, -Apocalypse- (Lock N Load) wrote:
it would be great to sit 10k Gu from a planet with a few Command stats and a couple of Agincourts spamming bombers at a planet.

On 2011-04-24 13:35, Talien wrote:

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On 2011-04-24 10:51, -Apocalypse- (Lock N Load) wrote: it would be great to sit 10k Gu from a planet with a few Command stats and a couple of Agincourts spamming bombers at a planet.

For about a week anyway, then ICC would start doing it and UGTO would whine unceasingly and get bomber fighters nerfed to near uselessness just like with PSM and Sparrows.

On 2011-04-24 13:50, SpaceAdmiral wrote:
You forgot that UGTO is the carrier faction? You can spam command carriers, but we can have vice admirals in carriers and agincourts.

You forgot that psm still could 1 hit buildings until the hp increases that came with the new capture system? (psm was actually buffed, never nerfed until deemed needed by the new system, it didn't get nerfed because of QQ)

The sparrow was nerfed from QQ, but mostly because you can deny the sparrow from shooting much, but never kill it if they are smart.

On 2011-04-24 14:26, Talien wrote:

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On 2011-04-24 13:50, SpaceAdmiral wrote: You forgot that UGTO is the carrier faction? You can spam command carriers, but we can have vice admirals in carriers and agincourts. You forgot that psm still could 1 hit buildings until the hp increases that came with the new capture system? (psm was actually buffed, never nerfed until deemed needed by the new system, it didn't get nerfed because of QQ) The sparrow was nerfed from QQ, but mostly because you can deny the sparrow from shooting much, but never kill it if they are smart.

No, I didn't forget UGTO has the best Carriers, but all it would take to stop them would be a couple Sensor Frigates fitted with ECCM and pulse beams flying around the area. Or if someone was really bored, an AC/AD fitted with pulse beams sitting next to the planet.

PSM were never able to 1 shot any building, and 1 MD alone couldn't do much in the brief time it would be firing before being swarmed by BD/EAD/Shrooms. Like with anything else it took multiple MDs to flatten a planet, but now PSM can't even kill inf, let alone take out buildings anywhere near as effectively as mirvs. All they're really good for now is reducing pop but a couple Frigates with Neutrons do that better.

MF/HF were absurdly easy to kill. All it took was 1 ECCM ship, 1 Interdictor, and a close/mid range combat ship to wipe out the 4 or 5 ECMed missile ships and scatter any that happened to survive. Or if you were Kluth just uncloak next to them and open fire, which would happen near instantly because of all the ECM.

On 2011-04-24 17:22, SpaceAdmiral wrote:

1. I did forget about pulse lasers, good point.

2. The day before the patch (the period of time where you proly didn't play) I had 1 UGTO missile cruiser in scenario flatten enemy structures in 1-2 psms, 3-4 also shuts down any nearby buildings. This was balanced out because they were easily shot down by point defense on planets, but good players time it so that pd hits your AR/IT missiles and not psms. My alt also did this to a UGTO planet in the mv. They were buffed, then nerfed with the new system capture patch as no pdd is there to stop them.

3. In Starcraft mutalisks(fast flying units, relatively expensive) tend to bunch up, which caused an aoe antiair unit to kill a whole bunch at once. Mutalisk users in response spread out their mutalisks to minimize any splash damage. Missile frigates can easily not bunch up, causing you to need 3 ships to stop 1-2 frigates while the other 2-4 could continue firing or jump out. 2 frigates was more than enough ecm to cover you up before sparrow nerf. This, plus that era's retarded point defense system, made it near impossible to completely stop them. With this current point defense however, we could try to buff the missile a bit.