On 2011-05-03 22:21, GA Soulless wrote:

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On 2011-05-03 21:57, SpaceAdmiral wrote: Quote: On 2011-05-03 19:29, Defiance*XO* wrote: Jim.... whats with your obsession with removing sheilds from ICC ships? talking directly about the extractor... You know what makes icc ships good? They cannot be pecked to death.... not... a huge deal.. as ill be building plats to sit on to augment my defences as i mine. [ This Message was edited by: Defiance*XO* on 2011-05-03 19:41 ] Actually this is a buff, the armor plates are counted as "full" arc. Shields added will also be counted as full arc, but they can't be repaired and they have less hp. Since they are already Full arc there is no possible redirecting of shields.

because of that change its weaker than the other two counterparts

On 2011-05-04 13:19, chlorophyll wrote:
1) ST-10 Cargo Transport, Cargo Carrier, C-263 Cargo Transport can be safely removed as midshipman can use Extractor. They're not neccessary at all.
We already have too many ships, half of them are not frequently used in game and why should we have more?

2) Mining beam and Tractor should have full-arc.
Oh please, engineer has more things to care. It should be ready to jump ASAP when a Luth dread uncloak, therefore fore-arc mining beam seems deadly. I'm afraid, from the eye of a player who is fond of building, this is rather annoying than making game more interesting.
And tractor beam? Due to latency, it's best to have full-arc tractor beam.
Since tractor beam can replace with mining beam, therefore both should have full-arc angle.

3) Advanced Engineer needs 2 full-arc mining beams as default and 3 build drones. 2 mining beams & 1 tractor and 2 build drones is quite unfavorable.
Maybe you can assign 2 build drones to command dread as it is slow and doesn't have repair drone as command station, thus it needs to build faster command station.
We don't request command dread/station to build faster than Advance Engineer. We love fast construction, that's why we pick Advance Engineer, indeed.
I hope 3 factions advance engineer all have 3 build drones.

4) I'm sorry but I fail to understand why Heavy Supply Ship needs 2 dual-arc tractor beam. Let the extractor/engineer/cargo kills the platform with its tractor beam. I also feel 1 build drone on Ultimate Worker is definitely hilarious. Ultimate Worker - no mining/tractor beam, 2 cargo rooms - builds platform? LOL
I hope Heavy Supply shall have 3 repair drone and no mining/tractor beam. Like Advanced Engineer, Heavy Supply should provide the utmost service in its field.
You may design 2 repair drone on Support Station instead of 3. In such case, the heavy supply worths its name and its role.
With an exception to Ultimate Worker, I never use heavy human supply ship in the mean time because I think, why should I use heavy supply - only 2 repair drone? Support station has 3, attacking while repairing at the same time, more prestige.
I'm afraid the mobile ability of Heavy Supply is not the main reason to use it instead of support station. In a support station, you don't have to take risk flying amongst the battle, but you still seek for prestige by spamming mislles/fighters/core weapons. Then the battle ends, the ships come back to you, asking for reparation, and there you have 3 repair drones. Rofl.

I'm stick with support station because I consider I'll gain more supply prestige in support station than heavy supply. However I still want to use heavy supply, with a new design that surpasses support station in supply zone. My idea maybe unreasonable, but hopefully you understand why I say so.

Don't worry about build/repair drone on Engineer/Supply. I bet many players will state like me - Command Dread/Station doesn't need to have more drones than the small ship. On the opposite, there ought to be a big wave of complaint if the free ship is not as horrific as they were.
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On 2011-05-06 04:19, NoBoDx wrote:
the ultimate worker:

that one build- drone is a nice addition but the trade-off are really bad
the ship was used to be able to take on destroyers itself but now it have almost no firepower left
also the armor is one ring, with a large gap at the rear

but worst of all: it doesnt have a tractro/mining beam to get ressources for building
so it have to get em by either other players, or by loading em from a starport
and its 2unit-cargo is only enough for (max) 4 or 5 platforms

so whats the purpose of this (former) great ship ? sitting at the back, repairing damaged buildings and damaged ship comming back from the front? i dont see any other

On 2011-05-04 13:19, chlorophyll wrote:
3) Advanced Engineer needs 2 full-arc mining beams as default and 3 build drones. 2 mining beams & 1 tractor and 2 build drones is quite unfavorable.
Maybe you can assign 2 build drones to command dread as it is slow and doesn't have repair drone as command station, thus it needs to build faster command station.
We don't request command dread/station to build faster than Advance Engineer. We love fast construction, that's why we pick Advance Engineer, indeed.
I hope 3 factions advance engineer all have 3 build drones.

I hope Heavy Supply shall have 3 repair drone and no mining/tractor beam. Like Advanced Engineer, Heavy Supply should provide the utmost service in

On 2011-05-06 04:37, doda *EP5 no longer exception...* wrote:

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On 2011-05-06 04:19, NoBoDx wrote: the ultimate worker: that one build- drone is a nice addition but the trade-off are really bad the ship was used to be able to take on destroyers itself but now it have almost no firepower left also the armor is one ring, with a large gap at the rear but worst of all: it doesnt have a tractro/mining beam to get ressources for building so it have to get em by either other players, or by loading em from a starport and its 2unit-cargo is only enough for (max) 4 or 5 platforms so whats the purpose of this (former) great ship ? sitting at the back, repairing damaged buildings and damaged ship comming back from the front? i dont see any other

Why exactly should kluth get a special supply ship that is capable of beating combat ships? If anything id say the high firepower in a supply ship was probably an oversight. Supply ships should excell in the role of support, rather than being for firepower.

On 2011-05-04 18:11, Bardiche wrote:
The fore-arc mining and tractor beams are likely to force you to face the planet during mining operations, so that you can no longer face away from the planet while mining and comfortably jumping away, but I may be wrong.