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jimjimjaroo
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From: Michigan, USA
|  Posted: 2011-08-21 06:48
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On 2011-08-21 06:36, HakkeTak wrote:
scrap icc shields
give em +50% weapon strenght
lets see about that 
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or we can scrap most of the weapons on an icc station, give it more shields, a build drone, supply drone, and AoE, give it some more pd(almost forgot about DC. put that on there too) and make it a type of a missle "destroyer"(but how aften do you see ugto and kluth spamming missles. its just an idea though.)
EDIT: ok i just realized that i went off topic. like alot. i've got a little carried away. 
[ This Message was edited by: jimjim578 on 2011-08-21 07:10 ]
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Pantheon
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 07:23
ICC shields won't be changed. They have 70% of the hp of UGTO standard armor, but regenerate much much faster. They are fine as is.
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Whiterin
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 08:54
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On 2011-08-21 07:23, Pantheon wrote:
ICC shields won't be changed. They have 70% of the hp of UGTO standard armor, but regenerate much much faster. They are fine as is.
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It's kinda not though... The recharge doesn't help THAT much in battle the way it is now... and UGTO have FAR stronger weapons then us AND better armor...
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Panduh
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 09:44
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On 2011-08-21 08:54, Whiterin wrote:
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On 2011-08-21 07:23, Pantheon wrote:
ICC shields won't be changed. They have 70% of the hp of UGTO standard armor, but regenerate much much faster. They are fine as is.
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It's kinda not though... The recharge doesn't help THAT much in battle the way it is now... and UGTO have FAR stronger weapons then us AND better armor...
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that since the topic at hand is arc durability, the thing that will be of most help to you in battle is TACTICS.
Shield rotation basically gives you 400% total hp, since all of that %shield can simply be rotated to where it needs to go. Especially in one-on-one engagements, where three arcs can be left to regenerate while one takes hits, etc, etc, or shield HP can be shunted to arcs not taking hits to preserve shields regenerated, etc etc. Energy management is 50% shield management.
In cases where you're outnumbered, just run.
So if you are complaining about recharge not being great, think again.
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CM7
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 11:47
as stated befor, ICC shields are fine..
what could probably use a touch up is,
we were given a 10% boost in damage to our torps just like everyone else... Then later they -10% damage all our weapons.
im assuming this affected torps too? Anyway, ive noticed ICC torps doing bonkers (low) ammount of damage.
When you factor in how hard torpedos are to use, and how easily they are evaded, seems to me that they should be more powerful. (harpex missile and torp damage switch?) then give them a minimum fire distance so you cant just point blank someone. ~100gu?
As for shields, there are a bunch of different things you can do as the pilot to make them far better.
if your just spawning standard layout ships and not rotating.. id say your about 25% effective with ICC.
if you have standard layouts and are rotating, maby your 50% effective.
there are tricks to be much more defensive. go experiment.
[ This Message was edited by: *XO*Defiance{CM7} on 2011-08-21 11:49 ]
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µOmniVore
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 12:36
You people are nuts if you think that ICC shields work.
it is far easier to hull ICC ships EVEN with shield rotation.
Also i though shields had 90% hp or armor and if it is 70% then that is total BS. Shields should be 1 :1 for armor but armor should have greater resistances to all damage to compensate for shields ability to reinforce a particular arcs.
Star trek Online has shield rotation perfected you get an initial boost to a specific arc then if more is needed you drain it from other shields. in this game you drain 4% from every arc for a 10% boost to a specific arc.
This game would be much better if beams wasn't the end all weapons they are now.
ICC shields fair well against Cannons Torps and core weapons.
But beams slice through them insanely fast and you don't see that happening to armor. i would suggest lowering the time beams are active as a means to balance the factions against the ICC.
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Talien
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 12:54
It's 70% now because UGTO got that armor buff.
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CM7
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 13:10
im not nuts.
shields are fine.
what you are exp, the other two factions have to deal with too.
difference is, we have tricks we can use to overcome, they dont.
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SpaceAdmiral
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 14:36
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On 2011-08-21 08:54, Whiterin wrote:
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On 2011-08-21 07:23, Pantheon wrote:
ICC shields won't be changed. They have 70% of the hp of UGTO standard armor, but regenerate much much faster. They are fine as is.
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It's kinda not though... The recharge doesn't help THAT much in battle the way it is now... and UGTO have FAR stronger weapons then us AND better armor...
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Do you know how long a cdessie or hc can last in the hands of a good player? If they didn't have ammo shield regen could make them last forever.
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Rebellion
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 16:52
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On 2011-08-20 15:43, Azreal wrote:
rely on jump drive and not shields or armor. U will die far less....
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yes this is quite easy to figure out, what i think hes trying to say is considering that ICC is the "DEFENSIVE" faction ICC should have shields that (in his words) are not like wet paper.
ICC shields are fine, we can live with them but i dont think its the way ICC should be id rather have less powerful weapons and a much better defense (more shields)
i bet we will get 4 more posts until jack locks this
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Xavier I. Agamemnon
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From: Babylon5
| Posted: 2011-08-21 17:02
i think sheilds are jest fine. i dont have a problum with them. it jest there armor buff that sucks. or it the damige nerf.
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Rebel Retribution
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 19:10
so basically we get the crappiest weapons, and mediocre defense (kluth armor might have more hp than shields, definately more than reactives) for the ability to regenerate? (which kluth also have, but hey, they have insane weapons)
Sounds balanced
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Nax
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 19:28
Ya'll know you can manually toggle individual shields into defense mode, right? Just throwing a hint out on how to get the most out of your advantages...
Just some tactical thoughts from my own flying:
Slow down when you don't have a specific advantage you need from moving.
Watch your power constantly and use defense mode selectively and surgically.
If you're not hitting your target, why are you firing and wasthing energy? You can always fire a single weapon at a time by manually selecting them if you'd like to keep your target hopping.
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CM7
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 20:54
the only issue i have with our defense/offense is UGTO ablative armor.
the 20%hp boost of ablative armor, coupled with a +10% boost in ugto weapons, and a -10% to ICC weapons has left a HUGE gap in icc's defensive/offensive capability when compared to UGTO.
in single combat with a ablative moded ugto ship (not even counting a full defense upgraded version) is far better than its ICC counterpart. ICC's ammo restrictions alone will seal our fate.
The only thing that keeps ugto and specialized armor in check is the unknown. UGTO pilots never know what they will be facing on the battlefield. This to me is not sufficient balance for a mechanism so powerful, that it totally negates a factions advantages.
When shields were boosted to having 25% resistances to damage types, it was quickly taken away. Staff's response was, "It is not balanced that a factions defense can totally negate the main type of damage another faction puts out." I don’t remember your exact line backslash.. But it was something to that effect.
The best way to ensure ugto die, is to have an indictor and a supply ship (for ammo) in your fleet. With the rate at which we break ugto's defenses, its a slow painful death, and not a very pleasant experience. No one wants to know they are dead 5, 10, 15, minutes before it happens.
Yes. In this way, i concur, UGTO have better defense, and offence than ICC.
The issue though, is not ICC shields. Its UGTO's absurd defense.
Depot fix has a large number of UGTO in shock about their inability to tank damage like they could before. Even a large number of pre-depot spam vets seem to have forgotten what the game was like before the exploitive repair system. This has given rise to an idea among UGTO that they should be the defensive faction.
Yes, I stated above that ICC shields have the potential to surpass UGTO’s defenses through regeneration. My views were limited to small ship combat, where the luxury of time is on your side. Where behemoth combat is concerned, burst damage, and burst defense reign supreme. ICC’s burst damage and burst defense are far inferior to UGTO in this regard.
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µOmniVore
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| Posted: 2011-08-21 22:40
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On 2011-08-21 20:54, *XO*Defiance{CM7} wrote:
the only issue i have with our defense/offense is UGTO ablative armor.
the 20%hp boost of ablative armor, coupled with a +10% boost in UGTO weapons, and a -10% to ICC weapons has left a HUGE gap in icc's defensive/offensive capability when compared to UGTO.
in single combat with a ablative modded UGTO ship (not even counting a full defense upgraded version) is far better than its ICC counterpart. ICC's ammo restrictions alone will seal our fate.
The only thing that keeps UGTO and specialized armor in check is the unknown. UGTO pilots never know what they will be facing on the battlefield. This to me is not sufficient balance for a mechanism so powerful, that it totally negates a factions advantages.
When shields were boosted to having 25% resistances to damage types, it was quickly taken away. Staff's response was, "It is not balanced that a factions defense can totally negate the main type of damage another faction puts out." I don’t remember your exact line backslash.. But it was something to that effect.
The best way to ensure UGTO die, is to have an interdictor and a supply ship (for ammo) in your fleet. With the rate at which we break ugto's defenses, its a slow painful death, and not a very pleasant experience. No one wants to know they are dead 5, 10, 15, minutes before it happens.
Yes. In this way, i concur, UGTO have better defense, and offense than ICC.
The issue though, is not ICC shields. Its UGTO's absurd defense.
Depot fix has a large number of UGTO in shock about their inability to tank damage like they could before. Even a large number of pre-depot spam vets seem to have forgotten what the game was like before the exploitive repair system. This has given rise to an idea among UGTO that they should be the defensive faction.
Yes, I stated above that ICC shields have the potential to surpass UGTO’s defenses through regeneration. My views were limited to small ship combat, where the luxury of time is on your side. Where behemoth combat is concerned, burst damage, and burst defense reign supreme. ICC’s burst damage and burst defense are far inferior to UGTO in this regard.
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+1 to this argument
Also we need to push for ICC shield resistances back, it is unfair that a dev can cry and screw over one faction cause he/she can't adapt to the changes that they pushed for. I would love to see the ICC reverted back to how they were when the patch went live also allowing the UGTO to keep their changes as it stands right now you are gonna continue to see ICC QQ topics about the imbalance in this game.
and this was as i predicted UGTO QQ for one week and ICC gets nerfed i hope Faustus is reading these topics to see how the community (ICC in particular) are unhappy with the 1.670 hot fix AKA the ICC nerf patch.
[ This Message was edited by: µOmniVore on 2011-08-21 22:42 ]
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