On 2012-11-30 11:16, Talien wrote:

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On 2012-11-29 22:24, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote: Or else, the only quick fix way to improve fighters right now without redesigning them is to: Increase fighters speed: Raise them to perhaps 100 - 150 gu/s Increase their weapon power: Each fighter's cannon/beam is equivalent to a Scout. So a wing of say... 6 fighters has the firepower a scout with 6 cannons.

Probably best just to wait for the total fighter overhaul. Playing with fighter weapon ranges/stats gave us Interceptors with no falloff beams that fire from 600 GU and the luth versions having 30% extra damage. Yeah, Carriers badly need some work, but are things like that really the best way to do it?

Raising fighter speed would get them in range faster, but it would also decrease how often they can fire and make them spend more time turning and repositioning for the next pass. It'd also make missiles seem silly in comparison when fighters are moving 2-3 times as fast.

On 2012-11-30 23:46, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:

Perhaps missile speeds need to be increased somewhat too?

The side effect would be their minimum range, due to arming time. A positive side effect would be increased reach. Could we consider increased min distance a good thing? So missiles ships would be used more tactically or strategically?

Given that these are anti-cap ship missiles (You can't use missiles vs fighters anyway), it wouldn't matter much that missiles and fighters have the same top speed, or if some fighters (say, the interceptor) have higher top speeds.


So what can be done, in summary,
- Shorten the "reload" time between fighter launches.
- Cannon/beam range can be shortened if their speed is increased, as they fighters can actually reach the target quicker
- Fighters will be less supsceptible to point-jump picket ship attacks, as they can move out of beam range faster.
- Since weap ranges are down, we can tweak up the damage to compensate. If each fighter wing has 6 fighters and each of them had a cannon equivalent to a scout, then they would be more useful or at least have a bigger effect on the enemy.

On 2012-12-01 02:32, Talien wrote:

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On 2012-11-30 23:46, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote: Perhaps missile speeds need to be increased somewhat too? The side effect would be their minimum range, due to arming time. A positive side effect would be increased reach. Could we consider increased min distance a good thing? So missiles ships would be used more tactically or strategically? Given that these are anti-cap ship missiles (You can't use missiles vs fighters anyway), it wouldn't matter much that missiles and fighters have the same top speed, or if some fighters (say, the interceptor) have higher top speeds. So what can be done, in summary, - Shorten the "reload" time between fighter launches. - Cannon/beam range can be shortened if their speed is increased, as they fighters can actually reach the target quicker - Fighters will be less supsceptible to point-jump picket ship attacks, as they can move out of beam range faster. - Since weap ranges are down, we can tweak up the damage to compensate. If each fighter wing has 6 fighters and each of them had a cannon equivalent to a scout, then they would be more useful or at least have a bigger effect on the enemy.

The other side effect of faster missiles would be PD is far less effective.

Shorter reload for fighters sounds like a good idea, that should actually solve several issues with fighters on it's own. Upping damage for fighter cannons would also help, they can still be dodged.

On 2012-12-01 06:07, One of those with the things wrote:
IMO not the ships, but the players need rethinking....

On 2012-12-01 06:34, Whiterin wrote:

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On 2012-12-01 06:07, One of those with the things wrote: IMO not the ships, but the players need rethinking....

Your attempt at being deep has come off as you not knowing what you're talking about.

As for PD being too good... I guess I can agree with this, partially. Even in a station, when you launch a full load of missles, anything above a dessy in luth will PD every single one, and most UGTO dreads can PD them all as well. ICC crusers with a few pulse beams can PD a good deal of them as well. That said, I think if missles are any faster, even PD specific ships wouldn't be able to counteract them. Maybe give PD specific and a few other ships some kind of way to slow down missles? Or ar least a little longer range to cope with the change. Luth missles really don't need changing. The shrouds are already really fast, manuverable, and sometimes impossible to see, even with ECCM. No, scanner doesn't make them show up anymore either.