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BLADERUNNER2019
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Ravenous Wolfpack Clan
Joined: December 18, 2010
Posts: 140
|  Posted: 2013-01-04 21:45
If you count the ICC ai there is usually 15 of them glued together like a player clan.....why is this? I never see kluth ai like that or ugto ai. Also, in EAD I get kluth ai krill down to 16% hull and still have 50% energy, then it jumps away.........NO WAY I can do this with ICC ai....ICC ai are harder to kill then MI ai and take way more time and energy....WHY is this? I think that ICC ai shelids regen so fast, they never really have to goto repair...trust me when I say 15 ICC ai are always grouped together, even with no ICC player on....and usually ICC players use them when they attack...Kluth ai never group in numbers of 15, neither do ugto cause they die or need to rep. TEST IT, play the game as kluth or ugto and count the ICC ai...it is quickly obvious....ICC sheilds are so OP and the sheild regen rate is so fast that the ICC ai travel in packs of 15 all the time....even if they are in middle of space.
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Zero28
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Joined: August 25, 2006
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| Posted: 2013-01-04 22:20
Funny, i was about to say the same thing With UGTO, see 1 station and 20 AIs around it
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*FTL*Soulless
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Joined: June 25, 2010
Posts: 787
From: Dres-Kona
| Posted: 2013-01-04 23:42
Shield would have nothing to do with the orders of the ship. Also AI only head back for repair when they are somewhere below 50% hull (ever notice those suppys that run out or drones, the AI combat ships that run out of torps or heaven forbid an ICC ai with no ammo).
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Brutality
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Joined: May 25, 2009
Posts: 659
From: Alaska, USA
| Posted: 2013-01-05 02:47
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On 2013-01-04 21:45, Bladerunner2014 wrote:
If you count the ICC ai there is usually 15 of them glued together like a player clan.....why is this? I never see kluth ai like that or ugto ai. Also, in EAD I get kluth ai krill down to 16% hull and still have 50% energy, then it jumps away.........NO WAY I can do this with ICC ai....ICC ai are harder to kill then MI ai and take way more time and energy....WHY is this? I think that ICC ai shelids regen so fast, they never really have to goto repair...trust me when I say 15 ICC ai are always grouped together, even with no ICC player on....and usually ICC players use them when they attack...Kluth ai never group in numbers of 15, neither do ugto cause they die or need to rep. TEST IT, play the game as kluth or ugto and count the ICC ai...it is quickly obvious....ICC sheilds are so OP and the sheild regen rate is so fast that the ICC ai travel in packs of 15 all the time....even if they are in middle of space.
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All you gotta do is spam that you are being attacked and the AI will come, doesn't matter what faction your on. As to AI shields, they are the same as players. So if you want shields changed on the AI, your also looking at changing shield HP for players as well which I don't think is going to be changed at the moment. Also keep in mind that if the AI are flying at max speed and fireing weapons, they are losing energy. When that energy hits 0 they can't power shields or shoot.
P.S. If you think Shield Regen is fast, trying killing the kluth Ai elite, that AHR is crazy!!!
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Joined: October 10, 2009
Posts: 826
| Posted: 2013-01-05 06:57
count the number of AI of your faction as follows...
step 1: count ai you think are worth counting (combat, supply, engineer, transport, the random bomber and scout)
step 2: count ai you ignored (platforms, starport transports)
step 3: add the two counts.
i get a hunch that ICC build few starports on their planets, UGTO depend mostly on ai engineers and random n00bs, and kluth are somewhere in between.
10-20 SP transports can consume a lot of processor resources available to the AI of a faction, which results in reduction of 10-15 combat ships.
SP transports need CPU time, elite ships need time, platforms sometimes take time, and the little bits of CPU time left is used to power a couple of frigates and a dread AI.
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UnknownWarrior
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Raven Warriors
Joined: July 18, 2002
Posts: 724
From: North Carolina, USA
| Posted: 2013-01-05 07:10
Theres nothing wrong with the ICC AI. In my Mandible, even with a little ICC AI Fleet like that I can usually plow through most of them, and my Mandible has far worse energy usage than your EAD I can assure you (Seeing as I played UGTO for a while)
ICC AI always usually attack in a straight line the first approach. I just sit and ding them with Cannons and Cores, then once they hit beam range, I blast them with a full force alpha, and can usually knock out a Heavy Cruiser and destroy it within seconds. If I can do that to multiple AI ships before needing to cloak, a UGTO EAD should be able to as well, if not do it longer since its Armor and Hull are A LOT stronger than my Mandible.
Just my .02 worth.
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Amun-Ra
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Joined: September 23, 2012
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| Posted: 2013-01-05 07:17
Hmm..that make sense, ICC AIs always come in group, I'm almost always gang raped by ICCs.
ICC's shield isn't too good, AIs don't know how to rotate it.
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Achilles Lord of the Myrmidon
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The Myrmidon Legion
Joined: December 15, 2009
Posts: 327
| Posted: 2013-01-05 09:27
UnkownWarrior, keep in mind that a Kluth Mandi does far more beam damage than a UGTO BD also 9correct me if im wrong) but the Stellar Incinarator does more damage than the QST. So, though you might be be able to do that in your Mandi a UGTO player in a BD might not be able to.
PS. Cloaking also helps that process.
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Subtilizer
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Faster than Light
Joined: February 20, 2010
Posts: 122
| Posted: 2013-01-05 09:48
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On 2013-01-05 09:27, Achilles S-3 wrote:
Stellar Incinarator does more damage than the QST.
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The damage SI does varies greatly if i recall qst and ic do flat level amounts of damage(no varience) (although IC is weaker than qst you get 2 IC per salvo so it works out). SI on the other hand at random can do between either 50%-120% of the damage (i think) of a QST.
Although this is from memory and may be outdated or me applying something from elsewhere.
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Incinarator
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Joined: May 24, 2010
Posts: 237
| Posted: 2013-01-05 10:33
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On 2013-01-05 06:57, Mike Paradox wrote:
count the number of AI of your faction as follows...
step 1: count ai you think are worth counting (combat, supply, engineer, transport, the random bomber and scout)
step 2: count ai you ignored (platforms, starport transports)
step 3: add the two counts.
i get a hunch that ICC build few starports on their planets, UGTO depend mostly on ai engineers and random n00bs, and kluth are somewhere in between.
10-20 SP transports can consume a lot of processor resources available to the AI of a faction, which results in reduction of 10-15 combat ships.
SP transports need CPU time, elite ships need time, platforms sometimes take time, and the little bits of CPU time left is used to power a couple of frigates and a dread AI.
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Every ICC planet in the Metaverse has a starport on it, so try again.
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DiepLuc
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Joined: March 23, 2010
Posts: 1187
| Posted: 2013-01-05 11:08
Press F2, click show all AI then count:
Total number ships of a faction = A (constant)
Number of players = B (variable)
Number of AI (AI, platforms) = C (variable)
A = B + C
Thus more starport, platform = less AI. More players = Less NPC.
A is not the same for all factions I think.
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Brutality
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Joined: May 25, 2009
Posts: 659
From: Alaska, USA
| Posted: 2013-01-05 14:24
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On 2013-01-05 09:48, Chaoticstorm wrote:
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On 2013-01-05 09:27, Achilles S-3 wrote:
Stellar Incinarator does more damage than the QST.
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The damage SI does varies greatly if i recall qst and ic do flat level amounts of damage(no varience) (although IC is weaker than qst you get 2 IC per salvo so it works out). SI on the other hand at random can do between either 50%-120% of the damage (i think) of a QST.
Although this is from memory and may be outdated or me applying something from elsewhere.
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QST has falloff, while the ion cannon does not. I'm not sure about SI though.
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UnknownWarrior
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Raven Warriors
Joined: July 18, 2002
Posts: 724
From: North Carolina, USA
| Posted: 2013-01-06 06:21
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On 2013-01-05 09:27, Achilles S-3 wrote:
UnkownWarrior, keep in mind that a Kluth Mandi does far more beam damage than a UGTO BD also 9correct me if im wrong) but the Stellar Incinarator does more damage than the QST. So, though you might be be able to do that in your Mandi a UGTO player in a BD might not be able to.
PS. Cloaking also helps that process.
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I know it does more than the BD. However Im talking EAD Firepower. The BD does better on the move with its Cannons, which gives it a better edge. And yes while Cloaking does help Kluth ships, UGTO have far thicker armor and stronger hulls. Gives them more durability in longer fights.
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Botoru
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Joined: January 25, 2011
Posts: 84
From: England
| Posted: 2013-01-07 07:49
I like the ICC in large groups
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