On 2013-12-22 02:19, Azreal wrote:
So, the reason against it is because of self destructs?

Um. Are ya'll just not able to disable sd? Apparently ya'll don't want us doing it, so wth is it in the game, thereby necessitating all of this other.........nm....I don't really care.
I have my pres.

On 2013-12-23 22:53, Azreal wrote:
Im sorry, but NO PLAYER straight in off the steet is going to go admiral in a day. Me thinks u exagerate.

I did do some kamis. Kami was a statistic. I've smacked planets before too. Maybe that should also be disabled.

On 2013-12-23 16:20, Talien wrote:
If you're losing more prestige than you gain it's because you're dying too much in ships that carry a high prestige penalty for losing them. Don't stick around inside an Interdictor field, and jump out when your hull starts getting to around 50%. If you have trouble doing that then stay out of the Dreadnoughts no matter how tempting it may be and use smaller ships until you get the hang of it, even Frigates can be effective combat ships and you lose no prestige if you die while using one.

The biggest mistake a DS player can make is assuming that bigger ship=better ship because that's quite often not the case, especially not with the changes in 1.7.

Quote: On 2013-12-22 02:19, Azreal wrote: So, the reason against it is because of self destructs? Um. Are ya'll just not able to disable sd? Apparently ya'll don't want us doing it, so wth is it in the game, thereby necessitating all of this other.........nm....I don't really care. I have my pres.

It's more that prestige gain is really high compared to how it was in the past, a halfway decent player can hit Admiral in a couple days just by shooting at AI, and a good player can almost do it in one day. Granted it's not as bad since prestige gain for armor/shield damage was lowered but it's still high enough where the only way you'll lose pres is if you're inexperienced and keep dying in ships you don't yet know how to make the most of, or if you're using suicide tactics.

The issue with self destructing in particular is what we saw before pres loss was bumped up where people would jump a Station or Dreadnought into a handful of platforms then SD to clear them out and actually GAIN prestige for doing it (if I remember right you've done this a few times yourself, Az). Or the people who would jump a Station or Dreadnought into the middle of an enemy fleet and die within 30 seconds, but still come out with a net gain of prestige due to the damage they caused when they blew up.

On 2013-12-23 16:20, Talien wrote:
If you're losing more prestige than you gain it's because you're dying too much in ships that carry a high prestige penalty for losing them. Don't stick around inside an Interdictor field, and jump out when your hull starts getting to around 50%. If you have trouble doing that then stay out of the Dreadnoughts no matter how tempting it may be and use smaller ships until you get the hang of it, even Frigates can be effective combat ships and you lose no prestige if you die while using one.

The biggest mistake a DS player can make is assuming that bigger ship=better ship because that's quite often not the case, especially not with the changes in 1.7.

Quote: On 2013-12-22 02:19, Azreal wrote: So, the reason against it is because of self destructs? Um. Are ya'll just not able to disable sd? Apparently ya'll don't want us doing it, so wth is it in the game, thereby necessitating all of this other.........nm....I don't really care. I have my pres.

It's more that prestige gain is really high compared to how it was in the past, a halfway decent player can hit Admiral in a couple days just by shooting at AI, and a good player can almost do it in one day. Granted it's not as bad since prestige gain for armor/shield damage was lowered but it's still high enough where the only way you'll lose pres is if you're inexperienced and keep dying in ships you don't yet know how to make the most of, or if you're using suicide tactics.

The issue with self destructing in particular is what we saw before pres loss was bumped up where people would jump a Station or Dreadnought into a handful of platforms then SD to clear them out and actually GAIN prestige for doing it (if I remember right you've done this a few times yourself, Az). Or the people who would jump a Station or Dreadnought into the middle of an enemy fleet and die within 30 seconds, but still come out with a net gain of prestige due to the damage they caused when they blew up.

Ent wrote:

I admit, that there are some weird incentives going on in that prestige gain heavily favors combat, which it should. But the rewards for other activities which tie directly into combat is actually quite low. Which is shame, because those are also important parts of the game. So I think we should really consider how important we can make the OOC timer to prestige gain.

I think all non-combat roles should be given combat-level prestige gain if they are in combat. They should be put in combat for doing those non-combat roles, on things that are in combat. This is shown as an example of:

Planets that are under attack (bombers hitting planets are already put in combat, transports that drop infantry should too).

Ships that are under attack (EWAR can only be used in combat range for effectiveness, and supply that is used in combat range should have a higher rate of gain).

This way, there isn't just one route to the top. Teamwork should be important.

On 2013-12-24 23:09, Bizaro wrote:

I know i keep dieing the the big circle around planets , I try and fly away but it doesnt end! Jumping out doesnt work im confused ..

On 2013-12-24 23:31, Bizaro wrote:
At the moment the gameplay is set way to slow, To reach any progress you have to spend atleast a few years playing honestly. Prestiege gain is way to slow. You could raise exp gain and change modifications to prestiege instead of resources.

Piotr-san wrote:

Personally I don't give a damn about new players. Lets give them a hard time, let them get de-ranked all the time and let them quite the game in the end. Let the game die because the few of us can gain prestige but mostly don't give a damn about it at all, really.

The number of new players in a dying game is not important, right ? You obviously have higher priorities, right ? What the hell are you guys smoking up there ?

On 2013-12-25 00:59, Orkan [OO-XI] wrote:
Someone mentioned in another thread how the human factions are not 'smart' enough to bring Ewar to battles vs K'luth. I cannot speak for UGTO fleets but with ICC every Ewar ship is one less combat ship, and we have the lowest Firepower and need all the DPS we can get. Add that to the fact that there is no direct prestige gain presently for E-war and you can begin to understand why up-and-coming pilots feel that their progress up the ranks doing this will be too slow so treat it as a bad idea.

On 2013-12-22 18:54, Bizaro wrote:
I'v tried to play and have fun but at most i just see about 15 players on at any giving time (thats a high figure) and 2 new players within 4 months ( thats a good year right?). But I've canceled my mothly subscription no offense but its too time consumeing to make any progress in this game. And the ones who are bitching about making it eaiser are the ones with 900,000+ prestiege and dont even have to worrie about any type of loss.

On 2013-12-23 16:20, Talien wrote:
Or the people who would jump a Station or Dreadnought into the middle of an enemy fleet and die within 30 seconds, but still come out with a net gain of prestige due to the damage they caused when they blew up.