On 2014-06-27 01:56, Forger of Destiny wrote:
personally, i am in disagreement with how a tier 2 ship can retain most of the missiles of a tier 1, while also having most of the cannons of a tier 1 cannon ship.

IMO, wherever a missile role is crossed with another combat role, the ship should have even lesser missiles than they currently have.

theres not much difference between 8 missiles and 10 when your opponent either gets forced into close combat with your other weapons, or tries to get another ship and wastes time.

On 2014-06-27 06:48, Jhomes wrote:
Ok first off, telling ppl to just use PD ships to counter missiles is ridiculous, and only shows how little understanding of current DS you have. For example the short range PD beams which lets face it are the only ones that are really going to protect you agaisnt barrages of missile fire have such a short range that missiles often still deal area damage when shot down. This is esp bad with the kluth short range PD as the range is only 100 gu. Also people who use missiles are not stupid, they put each missile on a seperate key to stagger the missile fire, this technique will waste the players PD beams on the first few and the rest get in, this is esp true with the newer skirmish missiles. So please people do not talk to us like we are brainless children as we know this game well and know what works and what does not.

On 2014-06-27 10:37, Talien wrote:

Funny how people are only now bringing up that DN/Station missiles will damage PD ships even when shot down because of the huge AOE radius. If more had tested this in beta it may have been addressed, but as it was there was really just 2 maybe 3 of us who noticed and pointed this issue out. If it takes people actually using PD ships to realize this and bring it up then good, more people SHOULD use PD ships and make it known that it's an issue that has a major negative effect on gameplay.

On 2014-06-26 19:44, Talien wrote:

Quote: On 2014-06-26 14:34, *Neon* wrote: OH WOW! How did we not think of that before?! That fixes all that is wrong with the entire game. All the vets will come flooding back now. Absent fleet members and old enemies we havent seen in ages! Come back all we can fly pd or little underpowered ewar ships! Exciting stuff. Can't wait for all that yummy prezs [ This Message was edited by: *Neon* on 2014-06-27 14:36 ]

Seriously, all the dumbing down that people complain about has been done for this very reason, nobody is willing to give up fast pres in exchange for filling a vital role in a team. It's often like pulling teeth to even get someone to build or repair a planet that's just been bombed because it's not as much pres as combat. People complain that there's nothing to do then we get more stuff to do and the same people complain because some of the new stuff doesn't rake in the ph4t pr3$tig3 as quickly as combat does.

Then again maybe it's just me because I actually enjoy things like PD and EW. It's fun frustrating the other team by making what they're doing mostly ineffective and can easily cause them to make mistakes. One person in a PD Destroyer can counter most, if not all, of a MD or LS missile volley. Did you ever stop to think that maybe when their missiles are getting shot down that they might switch to different ships?