Selvarian {IMC}
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Joined: August 18, 2001
Posts: 1242
From: GA, USA
|  Posted: 2002-05-14 23:58
03:03:04 Gideon: "Motion to adjourn?"
03:03:11 [PS]Dr Evil: "nothing really on the agenda tonight..."
* [PS]Selvarian gives Gideon a swat with claws retracted
* [-GTN-]Demorian slaps Gideon.
03:03:37 [PS]Dr Evil: "here's one that came up this week..."
03:03:43 Gideon: "Well...uhhh...yeah..."
03:03:53 [PS]Dr Evil: "capturing planets full of troops with only 2 troops....."
* Gideon glowers evilly....
03:04:31 [PS]Dr Evil: "it's an exploit because no two green troops should be able to beat down 16 elites.... open to discussion..."
03:08:53 [PS]Selvarian: "agreed. It's gotta be a bug"
03:04:55 Gideon: "Is there any way to actually enforce this?"
03:05:05 Gideon: "Realisitcally?"
03:09:16 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, there is no way this can be made into an exploit."
03:05:18 [PS]Dr Evil: "gideon... no, not really, nor do I want to attempt to"
03:05:24 Praetorian: "I dunno, I've capped using 3 Elites...takes a LONG time, heh"
03:05:52 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: " I know how to cap 16 elite with 2 green..."
03:09:53 [PS]Selvarian: "I think we're looking for verification and any info we can pass to Faustus concerning the situation."
03:05:58 [PS]Dr Evil: "it is a bug, it's been around for ages, since beta."
03:10:05 [PS]Selvarian: "Really?"
03:06:07 Gideon: "Wait a minute...I thought that using a bug to take advantage of the game system was exploiting a weekness."
03:06:16 Gideon: "Hense, using a bug=exploit"
03:06:41 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "it's easy selv, trap one behind a planet, and kill rest from behind..."
03:06:41 Gideon: "first I have heard of it."
03:06:43 [PS]Dr Evil: "yes, it's an exploit because it takes advantage of a game weakness, but it's not something that is readily enforcible"
03:06:57 [HWL]Intrepid00: "Hmm"
03:11:00 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I mean "official, punishable" exploit. If you know how to do it and do it on purpose, you're cheating, but the only real solution is to get Faustus to fix it NOW."
03:07:02 [HWL]Intrepid00: "Whats an exploit"
03:07:08 [PS]Dr Evil: "you use a structur, drop one troop behind the structure..."
03:07:39 [HWL]Intrepid00: "Ahh yes, I have seen that"
03:08:02 Gideon: "So THAT'S how people have been doing it. I was wondering if I was going mad seeing planets with full elite troops be taken by two greens!"
03:08:11 [PB]tragicx: "so what's up on the topics for tonight?"
03:08:11 Gideon: "Figured bombs were in action."
03:08:19 [PS]Dr Evil: "when the other troops line up behng the structure, you drop another troop next to them. "
03:08:37 Gideon: "Why dont they destroy the structure?"
* [PB]tragicx waves to selv and evil
03:08:50 [PS]Dr Evil: "non staff kindly keep the comments to whispers for the time being, and please no emotes. "
03:09:02 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "it's poor AI code, cause it works both ways, we have dropped 20 troops on a planet with 8 and lost"
03:09:14 Gideon: "A simple way to fix this is to inact what we discussed earlier. Making troops on a planet be non-exclusive for their location."
03:09:26 Gideon: "Then troops CAN'T be trapped by buildings."
03:13:25 [PS]Selvarian: "Because the structures now are impossible for an inf to destroy."
03:09:54 [HWL]Intrepid00: "nah I've done it lots of times"
03:09:57 [HWL]Intrepid00: "But only weak ones"
03:10:02 [HWL]Intrepid00: "like gens"
03:10:13 [PS]Dr Evil: "partly, but it needs to be more like the def base code, not all fire at the first target, but at the closest target. "
03:11:07 Gideon: "Say, do troops actually fire, or do they inflict damage on each other from trying to move into each other's locations?"
03:11:35 Gideon: "Just was thinking, if they fired, then it would be cool to see small explosions and flashes of light from the fight on the surface."
03:11:38 [PS]Dr Evil: "not sure, that's a question for faustus."
* [.Di.]Wolver dreams of artillary units....
03:12:15 [.Di.]Vinco: "hehehe... ranged units  "
03:12:33 Gideon: "Sorry, took us a bit off topic there..."
03:12:35 [PS]Dr Evil: "well, I have it on my list as an exploit that's not enforcible that will be delt with by faustus with code. "
03:12:37 [-GTN-]Demorian: "aha, i keel you from UDDER SAIDE OF PLANNETTE!"
03:13:32 [PS]Dr Evil: "I'd like to be able to drop tanks and siege equipment on a planet, but that's for a later discussion..."
03:13:37 [PS]Dr Evil: "moving right along..."
03:14:01 [PS]Dr Evil: "* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "got another topic - a few mods are openly calling the close range bombing of planets (PCM Closeranging) exploitation. We need to clarify whether it is or not and take action if so.""
03:14:16 [PS]Dr Evil: "sadly... we need to touch on this topic AGAIN...."
03:14:30 Gideon: "Last I heard, it was not."
03:18:41 [PS]Selvarian: "Not officially at this point"
03:14:55 [-GTN-]Demorian: "same here. it isn't, but some mods (honestly don't remember who, my bad) are reportedly kicking for it"
03:14:58 Praetorian: "I think it should be personally..."
03:15:01 [-GTN-]Demorian: "or at least warning"
03:19:10 [PS]Selvarian: "Patlukowsky"
03:15:15 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I do too, but the fact that it isn't officially is a problem to people who think it is"
03:15:42 [.Di.]Wolver: "i'm in favor of making it an exploit"
03:15:45 [PS]Dr Evil: "No, it's not an exploit, it's a very dangerous tactic, you get FF from the close splash damage, and it's stopably by building a dictor or parking a dictor near the planet, and it's near impossible to enforce. "
03:16:04 Praetorian: "Not really Demo, it fits expoitation, doing something to skirt the system, a def base doesn't have time to fire if you're within 30gu"
03:16:20 [-GTN-]Demorian: "agreed, Evil, but dictors are very difficult to build"
03:16:31 [-GTN-]Demorian: "and i can tell you right now Faustus strengthened defenses to encourage team bombing"
03:16:36 [-GTN-]Demorian: "not one man close range PCM bombing"
03:17:09 [PS]Dr Evil: "not really, you can have dictors in 20 mins in scenario if you have teammates extracting/shuttling res around."
03:17:32 Gideon: "Question: Does this meeting make policy for all the mods, even Europe? If not then this should be in the Admin Meeting Sunday."
* [PS]Dr Evil whispered "you logging this?"
03:17:59 [-GTN-]Demorian: "aye, but how often does that happen? i'm not trying to argue i'm just trying my best to keep perspective on how the game is played by the masses currently."
03:22:18 [PS]Selvarian: "No, but we can discuss how what we think should be done, and provide input and evidence that will be brought into the admin meeting for final decision."
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Yeah, I'll be secretary."
03:19:17 Gideon: "Alrighty, second thing: Can we actually enforce a judgement on this, or is it like the troop exploit?"
03:19:28 [-GTN-]Demorian: "heck no can we enforce it"
03:19:29 [PS]Dr Evil: "zero point bombing was brought up in the admin meeting a few weeks ago, it's been relegated to faustus to address via code"
03:23:31 [PS]Selvarian: "The main point is that this type of exploit is going to be a difficult one to enforce. It really needs to be fixed in the game code somehow."
03:20:15 [-GTN-]Demorian: "my idea was to use the planets "gravitational field (200-300 gu away from planet surface)" as a natural interdictor, but faustus did NOT like that."
03:20:17 Gideon: "Just my opinion here, but "fixes in code" = 2 - 4 weeks before we see somthing."
03:20:22 [-GTN-]Demorian: "but anyway, thats a sidetrack"
03:20:24 Praetorian: "Yes, but in the interim, can we call it exploit, and kick, that's what it comes down to..."
03:20:41 Gideon: "I thought Faustus was concentrating on balance/exploit/crash/lag fixes..."
03:24:46 [PS]Selvarian: "So far, we have suggested solutions ranging from arming delays to increasing bombardment weapon damage to ships."
03:20:57 [PS]Dr Evil: "I played in FA for several hours on saturday, everytime we had team work in our home system, we easily built our planets up without too much hastle "
03:21:00 Gideon: "But perhaps I am just making hot air..."
03:25:04 [PS]Selvarian: "...and what Dem suggested"
03:21:26 [.Di.]Vinco: "Selv: problem with the second... Jump cruisers as combat ships/"
03:21:32 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Ok, can you hold off a sec, and can I say something about the Close range bombing?"
03:21:44 [PS]Dr Evil: "fire away reas"
03:25:53 [PS]Selvarian: "only bombs, Vinco... PCMs should never have done that much damage to planets to begin with."
03:21:54 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Since I just had to catch up..."
03:21:55 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "ok"
03:22:21 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "First off, This has been a problem for awhile, however, It started becoming more wisespread once it was brought up"
03:22:28 [.Di.]Vinco: "ok"
03:22:40 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Splash damage on PCMs needs to be seriously reduced"
03:22:48 [-GTN-]Demorian: "to take out..say....a 3x3 area on planet surface"
03:22:52 [-GTN-]Demorian: "ANYWAY, sorry sidetrack"
03:22:53 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "The only way to combat this tactic, is to build away from the plane everone else it on, ie, ships level"
03:22:55 [PS]Dr Evil: "yeah, as soon as it's posted somewhere, everyone starts doing it like it's in fashion...."
03:23:13 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "I tried to keep it in the PMF...."
03:23:14 Gideon: "|2eason, that doesn't work."
03:23:19 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "when I found it and reported it..."
03:23:40 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "I know gideon"
03:23:45 [PS]Dr Evil: "I always build on the poles, you can't zero point bomb the poles from 30 gu's."
03:23:53 Gideon: "Actually, there is good reason to publish it publicly. If people start abusing it in masse, then it lights a fire under Faustus to fix it."
03:23:59 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Depends upon where the bombs are spawned in the game"
03:24:18 [PS]Dr Evil: "put your def bases on the equator, they'll hit the bombs as they leave the ship"
03:24:35 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Well Gideon, it has been here for quite some time, and After I posted something about it in the PMF, people started using it at an alarming rate..."
03:28:43 [PS]Selvarian: "Gid -> that is one of the reasons that I have become increasingly resistant to add to the official exploit list; because it has a tendency to act as a shield for Faustus' to-do priorities."
03:25:18 Praetorian: "not within 30gu...I cleared a planet the other day WITH dictor, WITH 15 def bases...."
03:25:18 Gideon: "I having Faustus tighten the exploits out of the game such a bad thing?"
03:25:46 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "The problem with the Orbit boming in the first place, is a weakness in the game engine.....ie, the bombs are spawning on the planet"
03:29:44 [PS]Selvarian: "If it isn't as much of a problem, then it tends to fall way down in priority on his list."
03:25:52 Gideon: "So bad that we must shield him from the cracks in his system and how people are abusing it?"
03:25:53 [.Di.]Vinco: "no. he means that an exploit definition makes Faustus lkess willing to code a change."
03:30:09 [PS]Selvarian: "We're saying the same thing, Gid"
03:26:13 [PS]Dr Evil: "that's not the problem gid, the problem is that faustus ignores the exploits if we're on top of them, gives him an excuse to not fix it  "
03:26:37 Gideon: "I must be missing somthing..."
03:27:01 Praetorian: "An answer  "
03:27:08 Gideon: "Anyways, back to the subject."
03:27:09 [PS]Dr Evil: "the more people exploiting it, the more it lights a fire under faustus to get it fixed "
03:27:30 Gideon: "Ahhh, I see."
03:32:04 [PS]Selvarian: "I don't like cheaters any more than anyone else in the game; however, making it a temporary "house rule" until it gets around to getting fixed means we will be enforcing it for a long time, with players CONTSTANTLY comparing us to Gestapo.."
03:28:14 [PS]Dr Evil: "PCM slot... AI farming... etc... they've all been addressed in one fashion or another."
03:28:43 Gideon: "OK, we ARE teh gestapo, people should just accept that."
03:28:54 [PS]Dr Evil: "heh"
03:28:57 [-GTN-]Demorian: "lol"
03:28:58 Gideon: "What we have here is a benevolent dictatorship, not a democracy."
* Praetorian slaps Gideon in the head...
03:29:13 [PS]Dr Evil: "help help, I'm being repressed..."
03:29:51 [PS]Dr Evil: "well, gideon brought up a poll idea about asking what people thought about a minimum arming range for PCM and bombs, I think it's a good idea to put it up."
03:29:54 Gideon: "anyways, I can handle people calling me names like "Gestapo"."
03:34:10 [PS]Selvarian: "That may be true, but I tend to think of it as abuse of good volunteers to make rules that are nearly impossible to enforce and engender an inordinate amount of animosity from the player base towards the staff."
03:34:28 [PS]Selvarian: "There has to be a balance."
03:30:42 Gideon: "True, I understand your position."
03:30:56 [-GTN-]Demorian: "what we have here is FAILURE to commun'cate....."
03:30:58 [PS]Dr Evil: "yep, it does nothing but steer good people from the community "
03:31:00 [-GTN-]Demorian: "(sorry)"
03:31:11 [PS]Dr Evil: "ok, next topic...."
03:31:29 [PS]Dr Evil: "reporting punitive action in the PMF in a timely manner..."
* [-GTN-]Demorian does it, so he goes and sits in the corner.
03:35:56 [PS]Selvarian: "A line, if you will.. it can be somewhat fuzzy without too much of an problem, where we have to say that "this rule goes beyond the pale of reasonability, when a FAR SIMPLER and more effective way of dealing with it is a simple code change on the back end"."
03:32:14 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Umm, So the final conclussion on the close bombing is that we bring it up to Faust to fix, and leave it as a bug in the game that isn't punishable?"
03:32:16 [PB]Smokey: "oh dang totally spaced it again..."
03:32:29 [-GTN-]Demorian: "aye"
03:32:39 Gideon: "yes"
03:36:49 [PS]Selvarian: "I think that is the best policy, Reas..."
03:32:54 [PS]Dr Evil: "yes, basically we're looking at a minimum arming distance for bombs and PCM's, that'll be up for Faustus to fix in code."
03:33:39 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Just making sure before we moved on, "
03:34:00 [PS]Dr Evil: "it'll also fix the "my missles blew up inside my ship" scenario..."
03:38:02 [PS]Selvarian: "HOWEVER, I would like to point out that someone who is CONSTANTLY abusing this hole should be warned, based on the general, catch-all exploiting rule."
* [PB]tragicx whispered "Wasn't sure, but wanted to ask a few questions. The infamous "interdictor pts" possibility. Also any plans for vets above FA for new badges, etc..."
03:34:52 [PS]Dr Evil: "well, I simply push them into the planet with my tractor beam... they get the idea eventually "
03:35:11 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Yep, If it starts to ruin the gameplay value, then take care of it"
03:35:28 Gideon: "Alrighty."
03:35:38 [PS]Dr Evil: "ok, next topic...."
03:35:42 [PS]Dr Evil: "reporting punitive action in the PMF in a timely manner..."
* [-GTN-]Demorian does it, so he goes and sits in the corner, then gets Deja Vu.
03:40:14 [PS]Selvarian: "IE, if you watch someone do it right in front of you a bunch of times in a row, I would take some action. If they go on about it not being an "official" exploit, point out that it is not an immediate punishable expoit, like trans farming, but that exploiting any weakness in the game can result in warnings."
* Praetorian slaps [PS]Selvarian in the head...
03:36:40 Praetorian: "shhhhhh"
* [-GTN-]Demorian slaps [PS]Selvarian.
* Gideon wrestles Selvarian to the ground...
03:37:01 [PS]Dr Evil: "if you haven't read the "Gerb gets banned" thread, it makes for light, good natured reading when there's nothing else to do..."
03:37:07 Gideon: "Hush, you..."
03:37:54 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Just like to point out, that I tried to get a report up about it asap, I reported my part in the mess right away, Thanks..."
03:42:10 [PS]Selvarian: "(gimme a break guys... I was typing in that message long before the topic changed)"
03:38:29 [PS]Dr Evil: "selv violated the 2 minute rule "
03:39:06 [PS]Dr Evil: "anyway, back on topic..."
03:40:26 [PS]Dr Evil: "I've been seeing alot of actions being taken recently that hasn't been put into the PMF, or when it has, there is very little forensic evidence. we really need to avoid a " he said/she said" scenario and back up our actions with logs and screenshots, and it needs to be done in a timely manner."
03:41:38 [PS]Dr Evil: "in the case of gerb this past week, he got upset because Nick was badgering him, so he decided to blow up Nick... unfortunately, he got a mod too "
03:42:01 [PS]Dr Evil: "...after he had been warned repeatedly to cool it. "
03:42:15 [PS]Dr Evil: "...resulting in a ban."
03:42:31 [-GTN-]Demorian: "ouch"
03:42:33 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Well, I think in that situation, Gerb started the whole thing, Nick said Gerb confronted him and told him he was going to take him out, "
03:46:32 [PS]Selvarian: "Timely meaning within an hour or so. If you are having problems getting into the forums, or have a cake burning in the oven, just /send a message to one or more of us about it."
03:42:37 [PS]Dr Evil: "he came back on 15 minutes later and I cornered him and had a long chat with him about his actions. "
03:43:16 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "sorry, but just watched max overdrive lag into planet... that needs be addressed real fast IMO.."
03:43:39 [PS]Dr Evil: "yep, its in the works pizza"
03:47:41 [PS]Selvarian: " /send it to Dr Evil, Pizza."
03:44:18 Gideon: "Evil Pizza?"
03:45:53 [PS]Dr Evil: "basically it was miscommunication, I msg'd quiic repeatedly, he /reported back and I didn't seen any of the reports."
03:46:00 Praetorian: "DR evil pizza"
03:46:17 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "=P"
03:46:23 [PS]Dr Evil: "....for an hour and a half..."
03:46:46 [PS]Dr Evil: "...and reason was walking home... barefoot in the snow...."
03:46:52 [PS]Dr Evil: "... up hill... both way...."
03:46:56 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "lol"
03:47:06 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "My parents sidetracked me when I got home,  "
03:47:09 Gideon: "Fighting off bears with his three ring binder?"
03:51:25 [PS]Selvarian: "Hey, those things can pinch ya pretty bad..."
03:47:39 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Actually, I was out back trying to train the Gaifens for the Circus....they no likey wips, "
03:48:01 [PS]Dr Evil: "I consider a ban a pretty serious action to be taken, it really needs to be noted in the PMF as soon as it happens. fortunately, gerb was straight up with me on the topic."
03:48:05 Gideon: "I can see it now...Crack....ZZZZZZZZAAAAPPP!!!"
03:49:05 [PS]Dr Evil: "a /kick or a /push, minor stuff, you can take your time getting those into the PMF, but an all out ban needs to be addressed."
03:49:49 Gideon: "Say, I have a newbie mod question: What is the difference between a /push and a /kick?"
03:50:11 [PS]Dr Evil: "push is instant disco, no time delay, kick is 10 minutes"
03:50:17 Gideon: "Or do I push them down, and then kick them?"
03:50:31 [PS]Dr Evil: "with push they can log back on, just like their ISP had a hiccup"
03:54:32 [PS]Selvarian: "push works in the game instance, kick in GCQL and the game instance."
03:50:45 [PB]Smokey: "i think push only works ingame.. and not the lobby??"
* [DI]PolarBer1 has entered the room...
03:50:50 Gideon: "Ahh, I see, thanks."
03:54:54 [PS]Selvarian: "kicks are short bans that are recorded in the forum database."
03:50:57 [PS]Dr Evil: "yep, minimum in lobby is 10 minutes"
03:55:21 [PS]Selvarian: "pushes are a game server instance thing that basically disconnects them from the server."
03:51:38 [PS]Dr Evil: "be sure to document all actions in a timely manner..."
03:51:43 [-GTN-]Demorian: "punitive actions in game dont take place fast enough"
03:52:07 [-GTN-]Demorian: "meaning, when the message appears that someone has been banned, they are still there, they see it, and most of the time they laugh at the mod because they think it didnt work"
03:52:13 [PS]Dr Evil: "yeah, there's a 15-30 second delay, hopefully that'll get better."
03:52:15 [-GTN-]Demorian: "and it is generally amusing when suddenly they disappear, but still"
03:56:15 [PS]Selvarian: "kicks don't register immediately while in-game. Sometimes you have to push them afterwards to enforce the kick."
03:52:46 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Well, I noticed that if you type it in, it works like magic, "
03:52:54 Gideon: "BTW, I have found that the threat of power is almost more effective than using the power itself. I just seem to be avoiding all the hardcore disrupters. Not that I am complaining."
03:52:55 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "in the chatroom at least..."
03:53:01 [PS]Dr Evil: "just about anything from the command line works "
03:53:23 [PS]Dr Evil: "next topic...."
03:53:38 [PB]Smokey: "warning of power.. not threat..  )"
03:53:42 Praetorian: "Not for me, I've had 2 kicks this week in-game that didn't work, so I didn't bother posting them..."
03:53:47 [PS]Dr Evil: "logging to save ship pres...."
03:53:57 [-GTN-]Demorian: "its an exploit"
03:54:07 [-GTN-]Demorian: "but the question is how do you confront the players when it happens"
03:54:11 Gideon: "Didn't we cover this?"
03:58:13 [PS]Selvarian: "oh, please do your best to follow 3.2.7f as best you can."
03:54:30 Gideon: "Warn, then kick, then ban."
03:54:38 [PS]Dr Evil: "yes, we have covered this already..."
03:54:58 [PS]Dr Evil: "when someone discos right in front of you... do a /who on them and see where they are."
03:55:23 [PS]Dr Evil: "note it...."
03:55:47 [PS]Dr Evil: "when they do it again just before they die... note it...."
03:56:05 [PS]Dr Evil: "on the third time, ask them to stop using AOL for an ISP.."
03:57:09 [PS]Dr Evil: "if they're not using AOL, give them some sound advice... don't do that again."
* Praetorian stares at the CAT5 cable in front of him and smiles at Evil, and asks him prove Im about to disco on purpose
* [MAD-IC]Rogue Spear doesnt know how to disco
* [PS]Dr Evil sees Prae disco 5 times in a row.. only in combat... Im definitely going to say something about it.
03:57:52 [DI]PolarBer1: "haha"
03:58:06 [DI]PolarBer1: "sometimes i forget disco is disconnect"
03:58:38 Praetorian: "Bob, 90% of the time the only time you're going to see a disco is in combat, who is to say I dont get disco'd while orbitting a planet...or jumping..."
03:58:45 [PS]Dr Evil: "baically, it's a really vague line here, we get so many discos in the servers that it's hard to tell the legit ones from illegit ones... doing a /who on them is a good indicator."
03:59:15 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "not really"
03:59:17 [PS]Dr Evil: "very true, but when it keeps happening when you're at 5% hull, then it's pretty suspicious."
03:59:34 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Every time I go into combat, I have a 50% chance of having it CTD, "
03:59:36 Gideon: "So, Praetorian, just why do you have your CAT5 in an easily disconnetable location?"
03:59:37 [MAD-IC]Rogue Spear: "what if the persons got a good excuse like: had to got to the bathroom?"
03:59:39 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "From home that is...."
04:03:45 [PS]Selvarian: "yeah, but I've heard a lot of people have been discoing at 95% hull"
03:59:51 Praetorian: "suspicious, but not impossible..."
03:59:59 [DI]PolarBer1: "i used to have that happen alot. actually, blue screens, cuz of my network card"
04:04:02 [PS]Selvarian: ""Oh! You SCRATCHED ME!" (yank!)"
04:00:06 [DI]PolarBer1: "lne100tx and netgear fa311 both did it"
04:00:09 Praetorian: "I've seen what appeared to be YOU Disco"
04:00:14 Praetorian: "ing Bob "
04:00:38 [PS]Dr Evil: "yep, you also didn't see me shooting back either... just sitting there getting beat on "
04:01:08 [PS]Dr Evil: "that's because my client said I was 5k gu's from where you saw me at, all by myself.... the joys of high latency "
04:01:20 Praetorian: "Yeah, and I've seen that a lot ...and I've had the whole team up in arms about someone logging"
04:01:57 [-GTN-]Demorian: "afk a bit"
04:02:12 Praetorian: "It's harder to police this than close range PCMing LoL"
04:02:20 [PS]Dr Evil: "anyway, we're treading a fine line here with the disco enforcement, if it's obvious, like they laugh at you with /t then disco, boot em."
04:02:41 [PS]Dr Evil: "other then that there's not alot we can do. "
04:06:44 [PS]Selvarian: "Point is, if you see someone who seems to be disappearing a lot, approach it from the point of view of someone having a connection problem first; if they establish a pattern, then it may be a safe bet that they are intentially doing it."
04:03:12 [DI]PolarBer1: "sounds good"
04:03:17 Gideon: "So, exercise discernment. Got it."
04:03:46 [PS]Dr Evil: "always smile and be concerned before you twist the knife in their ribs..."
04:03:49 Gideon: "Say, is Faustus working late, or is he asleep at the keyboard?"
04:04:18 [-GTN-]Demorian: "back"
04:04:20 [PS]Dr Evil: "probably drooling on the keyboard..."
04:08:24 [PS]Selvarian: "He works while he is asleep at the keyboard.. leave him be.. poor tortured soul."
04:04:28 [DI]PolarBer1: "maybe both? programs in his sleep, i bet"
04:04:45 Gideon: "Getting a bad case of qwerty..."
04:04:55 [PS]Dr Evil: "ok, this next topic is a bit personal, I'd like to ask the non staff members to leave us for a bit, we'll broadcast when you can come back in."
04:05:01 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "how much do you want to bet his wife is actually the one coding everything? "
04:05:13 [DI]PolarBer1: "should I go?"
* Praetorian slaps [-[A`]-]|2eason in the head...
04:05:17 [PS]Dr Evil: "my name is Bob... and I'm an alcoholic...."
04:05:29 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "crap... how do i leave... /room leave?"
04:05:32 Gideon: "Your are a mod, you stay."
04:05:34 Praetorian: "Not funny bob "
04:05:37 [-GTN-]Demorian: "dont forget poiuy, Gid."
04:05:45 [DI]PolarBer1: "k"
04:05:47 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "yeah pizza..."
* [TWP]PizzaTheHut Sent "it needs to tel you that you left the room..."
04:06:16 [DI]PolarBer1: "gid: it's just that i've been inactive for so long. don't even have a playing account... ;("
04:06:28 [PS]Dr Evil: "ok, everyone knows Havoc blew a gasket this past week...."
04:10:31 [PS]Selvarian: "Yeah, well, you'll rectify that soon."
04:06:41 [DI]PolarBer1: "so i heard. he msg'd me saying he was quitting everything"
04:06:42 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Oh yeah, I was there....in the middle..."
04:06:42 [PS]Dr Evil: "don't worry about it Ber, you're still staff"
04:07:10 Gideon: "Yeah, that wasn't pretty..."
04:07:14 [DI]PolarBer1: "k thx "
04:07:22 Praetorian: "Upset with the hassal he was given over the political posts?"
04:07:25 [PS]Dr Evil: "well, he stepped off the deep end, shame really. "
04:07:26 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "He blew up after he found out his post was moved to the PMF"
04:07:29 [DI]PolarBer1: "what happened exactly?"
04:11:48 [PS]Selvarian: "The only hassle he got was the one he brought on himself over it."
04:07:56 [PS]Dr Evil: "he posted a political joke in the soap box forum..."
04:08:32 Gideon: "Sadly, the joke had so much sarcasm, that it bordered on an angry political statement."
04:08:41 [PS]Dr Evil: "it was a satire, it had some funny stuff in it, but it wasn't appropriate for a DS forum, so Taelron removed it to the PMF...."
* [-GTN-]Demorian rolls his eyes.
04:08:59 [-GTN-]Demorian: "amen to that, Gid."
04:08:59 [PS]Dr Evil: "...so havoc posted it again in the soap forum...."
04:10:26 [PS]Dr Evil: "and while I was in main channel, he posted the link to it for all to see. I took a look at it and then asked him what was up with the political statement. He never answered and logged off 5 minutes later."
04:11:03 [DI]PolarBer1: "hmm"
04:11:05 [PS]Dr Evil: "... tael saw that there was now a second copy of it, as well as a couple heated responses to it..."
04:11:27 [-GTN-]Demorian: "He is truly one of the most enigmatic personalities I have ever seen."
04:11:30 [PS]Dr Evil: "havoc came back on and that's when it all fell apart."
04:11:58 [PS]Dr Evil: "....and we can all read the sad results in the PMF."
04:12:15 Gideon: "yeah, it's like looking at an accident report."
04:16:26 [PS]Selvarian: "Yes, he is."
04:13:03 [PS]Dr Evil: "needless to say, faustus took it quite personally, and has removed all trusted access to havagame.com and stopped any dealings he had with havoc."
04:13:24 Praetorian: "wow"
04:17:25 [PS]Selvarian: "I have business dealings (well, had.. haven't talked to him since Sunday night voice) with him outside of DS, and he is a completely different person"
04:13:35 [PS]Dr Evil: "selv, you talk to hav at all last night?"
04:13:47 Gideon: "Holy smoldering birchbark cannoes!"
04:17:45 [PS]Selvarian: "Nope. Haven't had the opportunity to call him."
04:14:11 [DI]PolarBer1: "geez, just read the post"
04:18:08 [PS]Selvarian: "I wanted to let him cool down for a day or so as well."
04:14:58 [PS]Dr Evil: "yeah, it's pretty ugly. basically we wanted to cover a little damage control on it here, touch base with what transpired and move on with life."
* [-GTN-]Demorian sits on a chair somewhere and politely refrains from joining in the discussion for fear of becoming seriously annoyed.
04:19:25 [PS]Selvarian: "Why, Dem?"
04:19:36 [PS]Selvarian: "If you have a point to make, please do."
04:15:46 [-GTN-]Demorian: "ah nothing, shouldnta said it."
04:15:48 Gideon: "Alrighty, new rule? thou shalt not make posts of a political or religeos nature?"
04:19:50 [PS]Selvarian: "That's what we're discussing this for."
04:20:06 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, religious is covered pretty well in the RoC."
04:20:19 [PS]Selvarian: "political is a little open to interpretation."
04:16:31 [PS]Dr Evil: "well, religions topics are a definite no no, we lost the world trade center last near for religious beliefs, best to avoid the topic all together."
04:16:45 Gideon: "yeah..."
04:16:58 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I'm serious, I shouldn't have said anything. My problems with H@V are entirely personal problems, and i would just rather not engage in conversation about him right now."
04:16:59 [DI]PolarBer1: "religion, sex, and politics they say"
04:17:07 [PS]Dr Evil: "there are very few things in life that people get really passionate about, religion is one of them. "
04:17:17 [-GTN-]Demorian: "So i'm just nodding and smiling."
04:21:23 [PS]Selvarian: "Oh. Thought you were referring to the situation, not the personal issues. Sorry/."
04:17:27 Praetorian: "Demo, so leave him out of it, and discuss the nature of the post, regardless of the poster "
04:17:32 [PS]Dr Evil: "that's fine dem, no problem m8"
04:17:45 [-GTN-]Demorian: "case in point. "
04:17:53 Gideon: "Which reminds me, there have been alot of people having discussions in the English room having political and religeous discussions."
04:18:03 Gideon: "So far, nothing argumenative."
04:22:18 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, the chat room is a slightly different beast than the forums."
04:18:22 Gideon: "But, people tend to have their emotions close to the surface on these subjects."
04:18:23 [-GTN-]Demorian: "ah yes"
04:18:26 [DI]PolarBer1: "nimby's post on the end there... you guys see that?"
04:18:28 [-GTN-]Demorian: "DarkSpace goes political..., eh?"
04:18:37 [PS]Dr Evil: "yep "
04:18:43 Gideon: "Yes..."
04:18:49 [PB]Smokey: "where?"
04:22:51 [PS]Selvarian: "most chat topics have a lifespan of about 5 minutes - your average human attention span"
04:18:58 [DI]PolarBer1: "i's frum texus two"
04:19:00 Gideon: "I think that for right now this should be just treated as a heads up to the mods."
04:19:12 Gideon: "Keep and eye on it and make sure nothing catches fire."
* [-GTN-]Demorian looks at nimbys post.
* [-GTN-]Demorian blinks.
04:23:21 [PS]Selvarian: "That's basically the point."
04:23:27 [PS]Selvarian: "Nimby is a nut"
04:19:31 Praetorian: "Huh?...what were we talking about Selv?"
* [-GTN-]Demorian starts visibly restraining himself from laughing.
04:23:33 [PS]Selvarian: "'nuff said"
04:19:39 [PS]Dr Evil: "when I lived in the UK and played CS, after 15 minutes of play when one side was clearly dominating the other, it would turn into a racial slur race, who could insult the other nationality faster."
04:20:04 Praetorian: "Thank god for Mods? "
04:20:24 Gideon: "CS is a very bad area for any kind of converstion."
04:20:30 [PS]Dr Evil: "nothing pissed me off more then hearing the crap they'd spew at each other, it got to the point that I quit playing on UK servers altogether. "
04:24:30 [PS]Selvarian: "We were talking about political and religious topics in the forums and chatrooms"
04:20:36 Gideon: "I personally hate the kids that play in there, but enough about that."
04:20:56 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "lol, will have to throw down a can of oil for nimby in the basement, "
04:21:25 [PS]Dr Evil: "same topic selv, here we have the ability to moderate the chat..."
04:21:26 Gideon: "So, no posts in the forums, and watch the chat rooms."
04:25:30 [PS]Selvarian: "In the chatrooms, as long as people are playing nice and not breaking the RoC, let 'em interact. If it gets ugly, then pull out the ban cannon."
04:21:47 [DI]PolarBer1: "well, i've gotta go for now guys... i'll see y'all later, k?"
04:21:52 [-GTN-]Demorian: "later Ber"
04:21:57 [PS]Dr Evil: "people want to talk politics, fine, tell them to go to a seperate room or chagne the topic"
04:25:55 [PS]Selvarian: "Later, PB1.. thanks for coming again. "
04:22:03 [PS]Dr Evil: "later PB"
04:22:06 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "later ber"
04:22:07 [DI]PolarBer1: "bye bye"
04:22:10 [DI]PolarBer1: "no problem"
04:22:12 Gideon: "A mute function might be helpful here...to end an argument so that we can "lay down the law"."
04:22:16 [PB]Smokey: "l8r"
04:22:23 Gideon: "Later, Polar."
04:22:29 [DI]PolarBer1: "i'll just check in on the main chat and make sure they're behaving before i go"
04:22:45 [PS]Dr Evil: "that's selv's job "
04:22:49 Praetorian: "Yes, /mute would be nice, but I expect hell will freeze over shortly before we get it "
04:22:51 [-GTN-]Demorian: "and then there were 7"
04:22:58 [-GTN-]Demorian: "samurai"
04:23:03 Gideon: "Ah, well."
04:27:11 [PS]Selvarian: "yeah, joy."
04:23:20 Gideon: "Guess it's /kick first to contain the damage. No problem."
04:27:20 [PS]Selvarian: "well, Chromix and me, anyway"
04:23:25 [PS]Dr Evil: "I am Bob of the Wood Chop school.."
04:23:40 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "yeah, new features for US are right below hell freezing over on Faustus`s ToDo list, "
04:23:51 Gideon: "I can understand that."
04:27:54 [PS]Selvarian: "remember, though, space IS cold, guys"
04:24:07 Gideon: "The game should take precedence."
04:24:18 Praetorian: "Understandable Reason, his focus should be the game, not the staff...."
04:24:29 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "yeah"
04:24:34 [-GTN-]Demorian: "wow Selv..."
04:24:36 [-GTN-]Demorian: "that was deep...."
04:25:11 Praetorian: "But we'll need some more tools (mod ship) as MV becomes more prominant...."
04:25:14 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Anyway, I think this whole situation was blown out of proportion, and most of Havs comments about the mods were directed at Sneaky, because Hav thought he was a moderator....since his topic was in the PMF...."
04:25:29 Gideon: "Caina is cold too, and it's level 8."
04:29:26 [PS]Selvarian: "We're also in need of some new blood."
04:25:38 Gideon: "Or a mod mode."
04:25:43 [PS]Dr Evil: "yep, once again, miscommunication."
04:25:49 Gideon: "I got plenty of blood."
04:25:58 Praetorian: "I think the entire thread should have been deleted, not moved..."
04:26:08 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Just for the Record, Hav was the usuall Hav before he noticed his post was deleted....."
04:30:09 [PS]Selvarian: "Heh. I actually read "sneaky" as smokey the first two times I read his reply to H@VOC."
04:26:30 [PS]Dr Evil: "well, it was moved because taelron felt it should have some admin action on it. "
* [-GTN-]Demorian points at [PB]Smokey and laughs hysterically.
04:26:40 [PS]Dr Evil: "heh"
04:26:42 Praetorian: "afk...meds...I'm still gonnabe here, but I won't be able to type LoL"
* [PB]Smokey whacks [-GTN-]Demorian with a rolled-up newspaper.
04:27:04 [PB]Smokey: "hehe"
04:31:02 [PS]Selvarian: "*iggle*"
04:27:09 [-GTN-]Demorian: "hehe"
04:27:18 [-[A`]-]|2eason: ":)"
04:27:37 [-GTN-]Demorian: "unf"
04:27:47 [PS]Dr Evil: "...and this leads up to the last on my list... inflamatory posts in the PMF...."
04:31:57 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I would like for everyone to be on the lookout for some good new potential mod candidates"
04:28:21 [-GTN-]Demorian: "*cough*OTSU*cough*"
04:28:33 Gideon: "Otsunashi!!!!"
04:28:34 [PS]Dr Evil: "yep"
04:28:42 [PS]Dr Evil: "that's 1..."
04:32:47 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I am talking about 10-20"
04:28:49 [PS]Dr Evil: "any others?"
04:29:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "*cough*RAGGLOCK*cough*not*coughcough*"
04:29:12 Gideon: "Uhhh...Sel...Can I be a little blunt?"
04:29:15 [PS]Dr Evil: "coleen... if we can get her to play..."
04:29:28 [PS]Dr Evil: "go for it gid"
04:29:40 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "BTW If any of you say you dont Know who AgentFritz is by now, you better start listening to Torqs Broadcasts, lol"
04:33:42 [PS]Selvarian: "Not so much just ones we have on the list; just raise your awareness over the next few days of people who you've seen doing good things and watch them more closely."
04:29:43 Gideon: "That is a significant chunk of our regular player base."
04:34:01 [PS]Selvarian: "Not hardly, Gid."
04:34:15 [PS]Selvarian: "We have over 1200 paying players in the game."
04:30:22 Gideon: "Okay."
04:30:26 Gideon: "If you say so."
04:34:27 [PS]Selvarian: "Having 10% of those people on staff would be ideal"
04:30:32 Gideon: "Riiiiiight...."
04:30:45 Gideon: "and about 120 on at any one time."
04:34:45 [PS]Selvarian: "Not all of the players are on at the same time."
04:30:51 Gideon: "Max, 155...."
04:35:26 [PS]Selvarian: "There are a lot of EU people who are on in the early morning to early afternoon."
04:31:35 Gideon: "Okay, well, since you are an admin, you have a better idea as to who is active in the game."
04:31:40 Gideon: "I trust your judgement."
04:32:07 [PS]Dr Evil: "we call Madam Cleo..."
04:32:11 [-GTN-]Demorian: "gotta go guys"
04:36:15 [PS]Selvarian: "The idea is that, in the future, moderating the game will be a scheduled activity"
04:32:20 [-GTN-]Demorian: "gnight everyone"
04:32:23 [PS]Dr Evil: "night dem"
04:36:22 [PS]Selvarian: "Later, Dem"
04:32:24 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "later Dem"
* [-GTN-]SkyLander has entered the room...
04:36:45 [PS]Selvarian: "..for some responsibilities, anyway."
04:33:15 Chromix: "early in the morning, or really ? "
04:37:36 [PS]Selvarian: "I don't expect staff members will want to spend 5 4-hour shifts a week sitting in "mod mode" in the MV."
04:33:40 Gideon: "Organization?!?! NEVER?!?!"
* Praetorian will
04:38:15 [PS]Selvarian: "I think that maybe an average of a few hours a week would be more than sufficient."
04:34:26 Gideon: "No problem."
04:38:38 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, there will be some mods who are crazy and bite off more than they can mod."
04:34:54 Gideon: "There going to be a server side log of how long mods are in mod mode?"
04:34:55 [PS]Dr Evil: "if I have a big borg ship or a giant ship swallowing Gaifen that can pretend it's a planet, then I'm game "
04:35:11 Gideon: "So that you can make sure everyone is "pulling their weight"?"
04:39:12 [PS]Selvarian: "I'm not laughing."
04:39:16 [PS]Selvarian: "Really."
04:35:39 Gideon: "Actually, I am for the omnipresent entity kind of idea...like Q."
04:39:53 [PS]Selvarian: "Not so much that, per se, just that making it more of a separation of "player" and "staff" issue, and making sure people don't go overboard and burn themselves out."
04:40:07 [PS]Selvarian: "That's a HUGE problem in volunteerism."
* Gideon is not going into this again...
* Praetorian hides his personal fire extingusher
04:41:08 [PS]Selvarian: "..and to make sure that the load is more evenly spread out on many shoulders."
* Gideon blinks loudly...
04:38:27 [PB]Shigernafy: "gah! missed the meeting!"
04:38:33 [PB]Shigernafy: "err..."
04:38:33 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Hello Shig!"
* [PB]Shigernafy stolls in, fashionably late...
04:38:39 Gideon: "Just about."
04:38:51 [PB]Smokey: "y0"
04:42:53 [PS]Selvarian: "Basically, when you are playing the game, you are PLAYING THE GAME. Enjoy yourself, and let the other staff who are on-duty take care of the smegheads."
04:38:58 [PB]Shigernafy: "howdy.. what's up?"
04:39:09 [PB]Shigernafy: "ah, on duty chat."
04:43:55 [PS]Selvarian: "Hmm. Didn't intend to co-opt the floor here.. sorry, Dr."
04:40:23 Gideon: "Old hobbits are hard to break, eh Sel?"
04:40:28 [PS]Dr Evil: "no prob, I'm messing with demorians stats..."
04:40:36 Praetorian: "lol"
* [PB]Shigernafy gives [PS]Dr Evil a quizzical look, complete with the Mr.Spock raised eyebrow...
04:44:41 [PS]Selvarian: "-.-"
04:44:44 [PS]Selvarian: "O.O"
04:40:56 [PS]Dr Evil: "joking "
04:44:59 [PS]Selvarian: "o.O"
04:45:08 [PS]Selvarian: "x.x"
04:41:26 Gideon: ".-"
04:41:34 [PS]Dr Evil: "where are the polls at in the web panel?"
04:45:38 [PS]Selvarian: "had to share this: * [TWP]PizzaTheHut Sent "sorry to bug you, but dony you think 309 troops on a planet is just a tad excessive?" "
04:41:42 Gideon: "Ahhh...that hurt..."
04:41:59 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "rofl"
04:42:03 [PS]Dr Evil: "lol, which planet?"
04:46:06 [PS]Selvarian: "Admin | Web"
04:42:10 Gideon: "I brought that up before. Evendently it's not..."
04:46:15 [PS]Selvarian: "It's on the list, Dr."
* Chromix just spotted 309 bombing points...
04:46:56 [PS]Selvarian: "dunno /send Pizza"
04:43:05 [PS]Dr Evil: "don't see it, unless it's under one as a subtopic"
04:43:15 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "found it"
04:43:19 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Talaz"
04:43:21 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "lol"
04:47:24 [PS]Selvarian: "oh. no they aren't there yet"
04:47:37 [PS]Selvarian: "Polls are a separate package"
04:47:49 [PS]Selvarian: "only Fausty can do them."
04:43:56 [PS]Dr Evil: "rgr, no prob"
04:43:58 Gideon: "I found the planet."
04:44:05 Chromix: "hm... 16 def bases... each has 2 lasers... so 32 bombs simultanously will get destroyed... so one needs ~9 bomber cruisers and 2 supply ships to get rid of em..."
04:44:08 Gideon: "Epsilon Ind system, Talaz"
04:44:34 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "*cough*"
04:44:40 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "mentioned above, "
04:44:46 [PS]Dr Evil: "we need to add troop res consumption to the economy model "
04:44:53 Chromix: "yep"
04:45:02 Praetorian: "yes food"
04:45:03 Chromix: "and that a def base needs 5 metal per shot or so also.."
04:45:26 Gideon: "I was told that resource useage was not in the plan, and that this isn't a problem if "people would just bomb right"."
04:46:02 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "actually, it can be done pretty easily"
* [PS]Dr Evil broadcasts "Staff meeting is now open to all who wish to participate..."
04:46:12 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "we found a weakness in the def bases....."
04:46:18 Gideon: "I, personally, have abandoned my quest to reform the economy. I think it's probably just about at the bottem of the list"
04:46:24 [eXS]Geo: "Hi "
04:46:27 Gideon: "If it's even on the list."
04:46:30 [PB]Shigernafy: "it was closed?"
04:46:41 Gideon: "LOL"
04:46:44 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "blah, will hold comments for later"
04:46:45 [-[A`]-]|2eason: ":)"
04:46:47 [PS]Dr Evil: "yep for about 30 minutes shig"
04:50:53 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, we are calling for last minute topics"
04:47:11 [PS]Dr Evil: "anyway, I'd like to open the floor for last minute topics"
04:47:20 [PB]Shigernafy: "why? what was being discussed?"
04:47:22 [PS]Dr Evil: "that includes non staff members..."
04:47:26 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: " I got one..."
04:47:36 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "309 troops on a planet"
04:47:39 [PS]Dr Evil: "fire away pizza"
04:47:54 [PS]Dr Evil: "yeah, we were just looking at that.. someone was bored..."
04:47:56 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "we were looking at that Pizza, "
04:48:09 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: " everyone wonders why so much MV lag, well gee wizz"
04:48:11 Gideon: "Yeah, we found it."
04:48:14 Gideon: "Talaz"
04:48:17 [PS]Dr Evil: "lots of bombing pres there... surprised someone isn't taking advantage of it "
04:48:29 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: " and I do intend to cap it"
04:48:36 Gideon: "I'm not surprised."
04:48:54 [PS]Dr Evil: "someone get a screen shot of it and email it to faustus "
04:48:54 Gideon: "I think this will happen more and more."
04:49:11 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "got one"
04:49:24 [PS]Dr Evil: "the most I saw on one planet before that was 174"
04:50:19 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "hmmm, imagine abzekateck, lol"
04:50:25 Praetorian: "I've seen 254 before...would have loved to bomb it, but it was on my team"
04:50:31 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: " ooo it's a nice screen shot too... got all the infantry text"
04:51:05 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "lol"
04:51:40 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "k evil "
04:52:11 [PS]Dr Evil: "anything else gents?"
04:56:25 [PS]Selvarian: "Not for now."
04:52:44 [PS]Dr Evil: "going once...."
04:52:56 Gideon: "Frog vent the blast core!"
04:52:57 [PS]Dr Evil: "going twice..."
04:53:09 [PS]Dr Evil: "sold to the man in the pink tutu..."
* Coleen giggles at Gideon...
04:53:23 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "hey, I didn't ask for it.."
04:53:24 Gideon: "Thanks, I will treasure it always..."
04:53:26 [PB]Shigernafy: "I have a question - wondering how long until the log is up, considering my late arrival."
04:57:38 [PS]Selvarian: "About ten minutes"
04:53:45 [PS]Dr Evil: "ask secrectary Selv "
04:53:50 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: " hi shig "
04:58:14 [PS]Selvarian: "Looks like I lost a couple of minutes at the beginning, but it was pre-topic BS anyway."
04:58:34 [PS]Selvarian: "sec-rectary?"
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