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NA Region Moderator Meeting 7-9-2002 |
Taelron
Grand Admiral
Joined: October 06, 2001
Posts: 1035
From: SF Bay Area,
|  Posted: 2002-07-09 22:54
* EVENT: 'NA Region Moderator Meeting' event is starting now...
02:00:41 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "There it goes"
02:00:46 Coleen: " IT'S A THINGY! A FIENDISH THINGIE!"
02:00:49 Cuisinart: "It's late!"
02:00:52 [-GTN-]buzter: "we all know that Demorian's dad can beat up anyone elses"
02:06:55 [PS]Tael: "OK Pipe down we are starting"
02:00:58 [PS]Selvarian: "OK.. let's settle in here and get this show on the road.."
02:01:01 Coleen: "Ahem, sorry.. Beatles flashback"
02:01:16 Coleen: "Oh, and Gid is making dinner, he should be along shortly"
* [-GTN-]TheGriffin smiles at Coleen...
02:01:29 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "meow!"
02:07:32 [PS]Tael: "i'm sure you can read aloud to him Coleen"
* [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC] has entered the room...
02:01:48 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "yes coleen the culinary art of making macaroni and cheese"
02:01:52 [PS]Selvarian: "I want to thank everyone for showing up tonight.. looks like we have a good turnout."
02:01:54 Cuisinart: "Well, give us the agenda guys"
02:01:54 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "EU mods allowed?"
02:01:55 Coleen: "Oh great, now I get to read, type, draw, AND dictate?"
02:02:12 [PS]Selvarian: "Everyone is allowed, Banshee."
* [-GTN-]Space Affe wants to know why demo called him hot
02:02:27 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "i can live with that =)"
02:02:31 [-GTN-]Demorian: "GTN RULES ALL! EVEN THE CONJUNCTION! Okay i'm done. Had to say that. *shuts up, sits in the corner before Selv mentions the pool game*"
* [-GTN-]Space Affe wants to know why demo called him hot
* [-GTN-]TheGriffin laughs at [-GTN-]Demorian...
02:02:54 [PS]Selvarian: "I think that the first item I'd like to start the meeting off with is offering a warm welcome to Taelron as our newest admin"
* [-GTN-]Demorian smiles at [PS]Tael...
* [TWP]PizzaTheHut stands at attention and salutes [PS]Tael
* [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC] gives [PS]Tael a great big hug...
* [PS]Tael bows...
* [-GTN-]TheGriffin pats [PS]Tael on the back
* [-GTN-]SkyLander begins applauding [PS]Tael...
02:03:22 [PS]Selvarian: "He even had to announce himself in the news.."
* [-GTN-]Lith Ragond sends a warm welcome basket to Tael
* Cuisinart congratulates Tael on his new position
02:03:25 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "warm enough  "
* Coleen cheers for Tael
02:09:35 [PS]Tael: "lol thats one way to get initiated in the website..."
02:03:47 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "lol"
02:04:10 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "All Hail Taelron, Emperor of something... "
02:04:27 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "unpaid emperor"
02:04:34 [-[A]-]FallenDeath: "lol"
02:04:41 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "hehe"
02:10:45 [PS]Tael: "Thanks, since a lot of you voted for me... I'll find you later... lol nah, thanks though"
02:04:48 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "emperor of all bathrooms!"
02:04:53 [PS]Selvarian: "The next thing is a little announcement that I have completed two of my three big projects at work now, and am pretty much back on normal 9-5 time starting tomorrow. I'll be now focusing on all of the DS projects full-time AFTER work."
02:04:57 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "EmpEmporor of Fritzys bathroom"
02:11:11 [PS]Tael: "Emporer of Copa Cabana... ok lets move along now  "
* Gideon has entered the room...
02:05:31 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Gideon! Gideon! Griffin gave your wife a flower! Hit him! Hit him!"
02:05:40 [PB]tragicx: "I'll sing it with you tael.."
02:05:41 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "LOL"
* [-GTN-]Demorian apologizes for his indiscretion and shuts up again.
* Gideon beats [-GTN-]TheGriffin around the head and neck with an old fish until he cries like a girl...
02:05:53 [PS]Selvarian: "That means the much-delayed staff site will be seeing the light of day now that I can put some hours into it, as well as the balance work we are starting."
02:05:55 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "music and passion are always in fashion............."
* Coleen kisses Gideon...
02:06:15 Cuisinart: "Elaborate on balance work please"
02:06:41 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "Selv what is on your list of DS things to-do?"
02:06:46 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "like all of them atm"
02:06:51 Gideon: "Well, it seems that our Selvairan here is the MAN when it comes to balance."
02:07:02 Gideon: "He has a whole organization built up around it."
02:07:09 Gideon: "Selvarian, even."
02:07:18 [PS]Selvarian: "I and several members of my game design group (AKA "sylea") are examining the game and developing a statistical model to use to balance the game."
02:07:35 Cuisinart: "excellent"
02:13:50 [PS]Tael: "lol, i was going to talk to Faustus about that later this week to do the same thing... guess i dont need to now "
02:07:50 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "just dont make the factions the same, i love them diverse"
02:07:50 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "Very good, "
02:08:47 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "btw, faustus dont love us anymore, he never ever attends the meetings anymore =OP"
02:08:59 [-GTN-]Demorian: "anymore?"
02:09:01 [-GTN-]Demorian: "when did he?"
02:09:11 [PS]Selvarian: "Shivetya, Molochi, Zing, and Illusi (and myself) will be online in the live game, and in private test servers gathering the necessary comparative info, and I am working on the model in Excel to put the information into and start seeing what it looks like"
02:09:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "hes too busy makin all the new stuff in the dev log"
02:09:13 [-GTN-]Demorian: "check it out"
02:09:24 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "does Fasuts even exist anymore? sure hes not a bot like Cyclozion with automated answers?"
02:09:39 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "god i cant spell"
02:09:43 Coleen: "no, i saw Faust this weekend, actually"
02:09:50 [PS]Selvarian: "We're not changing anything about the game. We are only modeling its current state and giving Faustus a tool to use to balance it going forward."
02:09:54 [PB]tragicx: "I talked to him today.."
02:09:57 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "shhhhh plz "
02:10:02 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "oh i see"
02:10:04 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "- Implemented the /hide and /unhide commands for use by administrators. This command allows them to stay hidden in all chat rooms."
02:16:12 [PS]Tael: "keep on topic..."
02:10:13 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "omg, the admins steal kluth cloaking tech"
02:10:15 Cuisinart: "Glad to hear it"
* [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC] whispered "Tael can mods use the /hide /unhide commands?"
02:16:46 [PS]Tael: "Yeah, i was looking to get the numbers from him and work up a value system for each item... use it to generate a combat rating for each ship to try and find balance"
02:10:47 [PB]tragicx: "the /mute and /unmute, is that a mod / admin squelch?"
02:10:48 [PS]Selvarian: "an OBJECTIVE tool, to supplement the subjective ones he has been using all along."
* You whispered to [PB]tragicx : "no its only for admin"
02:11:24 [-GTN-]Demorian: "yes tragicx"
02:11:31 [-GTN-]Demorian: "if someone is being obnoxious, ya punch em out for a minute or two."
02:11:38 Cuisinart: "That will be exceedingly difficult in MV given all the possible ship/system combinations"
02:11:39 [PS]Selvarian: "That's basically what we're doing, but we are using dynamic weightings based on efficiency of use, etc."
02:11:55 [-GTN-]Demorian: "cool, Selv"
* [PB]tragicx whispered "demorian says "yes" meaning both?"
* [-GTN-]Demorian wants to truck over there and see the beginnings of this model so he can MESS WITH IT *watches all eyes in the room turn angrily toward him*
02:12:38 [PS]Selvarian: "Yeah, the ship customization throws a monkey wrench in the works, so we have to go down to a finer level of granularity, to the device level itself."
* Gideon smiles at [-GTN-]Demorian...
02:12:56 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "as in kill cross race tech"
* You whispered to [PB]tragicx : "no, its for admins only..."
02:13:04 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "lol"
02:13:12 [PS]Selvarian: "Which makes the model big, ugly, and complicated, but that's what we're going to focus on.."
02:13:21 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Oh yea Selv. I was just tellin SOMEONE the other day, may have been at the con > the game has some degree of balance, its the custom ships that mess up our perception of it."
02:13:22 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I personally think it all comes down to teamwork... everyone now is asking for individual balance, rather than group balance..."
02:13:23 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "its a VERY popular idea amongst both players and staff"
* [PB]tragicx whispered "why not mods? be a good 2nd offense or something.."
02:13:47 Cuisinart: "Well, you may be able to simplify by simply lookin at the current ship database and picking the most popular combinations to test them"
02:14:01 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i agree with Pizza, just look at what heppens when a faction uses teamwork"
02:14:11 [PS]Selvarian: "ANYway.. We're just getting started on it. If you see any of the other members asking questions, please help them out if you can."
02:14:12 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "so far the biggest prob is the stations, they can singlehandedly cap planets"
* You whispered to [PB]tragicx : "cause of entrapment issues.. its so admins can be on but not bothered with issues that mods should be handling"
02:14:35 [-GTN-]Demorian: "(red...max cargo: 8 slots...i'm gonna bug Faustus for it... )"
02:14:39 [PS]Selvarian: "They will be calling me most of the time, but they may be gathering a little subjective info from players/staff members as well."
02:14:47 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "no, make it 10"
02:14:51 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "it used to be 10 cargo slots in beta"
02:15:01 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "how many is it now?"
02:15:04 Coleen: "always glad to help, Selv"
02:15:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "TWENTY"
02:15:13 Cuisinart: "well, this is not really the proper venue to bring all this out"
02:15:20 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "HOLY... COW"
02:15:21 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "it was 10 when Evil Thought hit FA, upped due to ship capoping"
02:15:28 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Kerensky: 10 is for the transports. thats why they're there. we cant have any ship as efficient in capturing as transport class."
02:15:28 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "capping**"
* [PB]tragicx whispered "hmm... allrighty then..."
02:21:34 [PS]Tael: "A simular system was used by BattleTech and published in FASA Magazine for that game, you took each device's damage vs range and fire rate to determine the over all efficiancy of the ship"
02:15:46 [PS]Selvarian: "Next little topic: The Atlanta Conjunction outcome; it was a BLAST. Wasn't a big turnout, by any stretch of the imagination, but everyone had a good time."
02:15:48 [-GTN-]Demorian: "so you keep them to eight. higher than dread, lower than ships meant to cap."
02:15:51 [PS]Selvarian: "ESPECIALLY me."
02:16:01 Coleen: "Ok, have one up here in the NW now Selv"
02:16:03 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "Its not that hard of a system to use either Taelron, (I play BT alot...)"
02:16:05 [PS]Selvarian: "After being two hours late because the darn signs took too long to make."
02:16:08 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "glad to hear it selv "
02:16:09 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i wiash i could have made it"
02:16:15 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Why Selv, threaten a permaban if they didnt by the drinks "
* [-GTN-]Demorian shouts out a BIG W00T W00T!!
02:16:18 [PB]tragicx: "We need hold another in a different locations."
02:16:28 [PB]tragicx: "I was thinking Las Vegas.."
02:16:30 [PS]Selvarian: "These things are fan-based. ANyone can feel free to organize one."
* [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky slaps [-GTN-]Demorian in the head...
02:16:39 Coleen: "Why not here in the Northwest? "
02:16:41 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "vegas would be a sinch for me to get to"
02:16:54 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "Dallas/ft worth =P"
02:16:54 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "las vegas?"
02:16:59 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "than i wouldnt be able to go"
02:16:59 [PB]tragicx: "and most people from west coast."
02:17:00 Shigernafy: "Vegas is our compromise for midwest and northwest..."
02:17:01 [PS]Selvarian: "Just pick a place, set a date, announce it, and have fun"
02:17:05 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "i could probably make to a vegas one"
02:23:06 [PS]Tael: "hmm i know some girls in vegas..."
02:17:08 Shigernafy: "cheap airfare, in theory..."
02:17:13 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "maybe"
02:17:15 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "one day ill fly stateside and come to one of these conjunctions"
02:17:17 Cuisinart: "I can see this will be a long meeting"
02:17:23 Shigernafy: "of course you do Tael."
02:17:27 [PS]Selvarian: "I'm also sorry that there weren't any pictures."
02:17:33 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "the FARTHEST i would go is to a neighboring state"
02:17:39 Gideon: "Do Bend Oregon, it's far from everyone!"
02:17:40 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "i cannot/will not go any further"
02:17:53 [PS]Selvarian: "Not necessarily, Cuisi"
02:17:56 Shigernafy: "I can do bend.. have a house in Sunriver.. "
02:18:02 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "good thing you not in Rhode Island "
02:18:04 Shigernafy: "but it'd just be us three, i imagine..  "
02:18:05 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "I live in Myrtle Beach, BIG tourist town"
02:18:11 Gideon: "Aha!"
02:24:35 [PS]Tael: "i know some girls in Myrtle Beach... but lets get back to the meeting..."
02:18:38 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "Bend is close to my Grandparents "
02:18:39 [PB]tragicx: "How about Omaha?!"
02:18:43 [PB]tragicx: "hehe j/k"
02:18:53 Coleen: "hey,that's cool Shig!"
02:18:54 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "How about you all come to London =)"
02:19:06 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "no way"
02:19:12 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "Well, the farthest i would go is New York City"
02:19:19 Gideon: "Good point there, the EU mods need to get a meeting together..."
02:19:20 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "send me the money banshee "
02:19:22 Coleen: "That'd be neat, but I think I'd get lost in the Tube.. hehe"
02:19:34 Shigernafy: "I'll come to London in a few months (post-september..) plan on then.. "
02:19:38 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Hey gimme 6 months id pay for the lot of ya"
02:19:40 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "Aye NY sounds good to me"
02:19:47 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "the states i would go to is Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and New York"
02:19:48 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "*meeting* =P"
02:19:48 [PS]Selvarian: "OK.Next topic.. Ships with illegal gadgets mounted.."
02:19:54 [PB]tragicx: "sweet, hook us up banshee"
02:20:07 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "yeah me to!"
02:20:09 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "6months and i will tragic"
02:20:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "stay on topic guys"
02:20:13 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Selv just started a new one"
02:20:15 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "STINKING KLUTH DICTOR... i mean, well"
02:20:15 Gideon: "Havn't really seen any..."
* [-GTN-]Space Affe wants a ticket
02:20:19 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "ok, illegal gadgets, its simple"
02:20:25 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "grog see kluth with flux"
02:20:27 [PS]Selvarian: "The EU folks discussed this issue yesterday.."
02:20:27 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "grog get angry"
02:20:31 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "grog press ban button"
02:20:33 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "wipe all MV profiles and compensate"
02:20:34 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "kluth go bye bye"
02:20:37 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I think next reset, kill all ships as well and giva all players 500k and tell em they are luck for that"
02:20:39 [PB]tragicx: "Hmm, you mean if found on ships? What should we do?"
02:20:54 Gideon: "Stay on topic...Oh, good, I can't manuver...Stay on topic!...Loosen up!....AAAAHHHHH!!"
* [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky boom
02:21:13 [PS]Selvarian: "Basically, Faustus equivocated about the Flux Waves and the Pulse Shields/Beams"
02:21:14 [PB]tragicx: " I think resetting of all the ship could be in order.. leave the systems alone.."
* Coleen ducks the flying metal shards and glowing sparks
02:21:26 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "..."
02:21:45 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "I agree with Trag"
02:21:48 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "as Pizza said, easiest to reset all MV ships and compensate"
* [-GTN-]SkyLander is finding it hard to hear selv
02:22:07 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "yeah, reset all ships now while I have NONE!! =P"
02:22:12 [PS]Selvarian: "His last statement was to the effect of "sell them now; if you are caught with them, an admin will reset your storage"."
02:22:16 Gideon: "I havn't seen any abusive ships, myself."
02:22:21 Coleen: "Well, I'm biased as I don't have any moded ships..but that WOULD level the playign field"
02:22:32 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I wouldn't hold my breath on that one, Banshee"
02:22:35 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "selv, has DrNicks been reset?"
02:22:53 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "me either Selv to be honest"
02:23:02 [PS]Selvarian: "I haven't reset it. I can't speak for any of the other admins, though."
02:23:05 Gideon: "Hell, I don't need any money. Made 300+K today on legidimate missions."
02:23:12 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "he did it before when he killed all ships and gave 100k.."
02:23:24 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "just up all to 500k this time for parts"
02:23:25 Coleen: "... want to spot me a loan, hun? "
02:23:46 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, he gave everyone with less than 100k exactly 100k credits"
02:23:57 Gideon: "Parts, plus 6 stored ships..."
02:24:05 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "yeah, and I am saying to do the same, only 500k"
02:24:12 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "5 ships isnt it?"
02:24:13 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "or that too much?"
02:24:29 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "id say poss 400k if it was done"
02:24:32 Coleen: "I don't suppose you can't reset ships in storage to their baseline stats?"
02:24:33 [PS]Dr Evil: "sorry I'm late all, got stuck in traffic coming home  "
02:24:40 Coleen: "Hey Evil"
02:24:50 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "bad dr evil"
* [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky slaps [PS]Dr Evil in the head...
* [-GTN-]TheGriffin waves to [PS]Dr Evil...
* [TWP]PizzaTheHut hands Dr Evil a tardy slip..
02:25:13 Cuisinart: "I believe that Dr. Nick's ship was destroyed anyway"
02:25:14 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Unleashes his army of blue smurfs at [PS]Dr Evil and watches in amazement as his blue troops tear [PS]Dr Evil into little balls of blutack"
* Gideon snaps to attention and salutes [PS]Dr Evil...
02:25:23 [PB]tragicx: "I think every admin should have a dr before their name. Keep it right with the white coat.."
* [-GTN-]Space Affe prepares to release CLAW SHRIMP on [PS]Dr Evil
02:25:30 Gideon: "that's...odd..."
02:25:39 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "Dr Evil: OW! You slapped me, you son of a *BEEP*"
02:25:52 Shigernafy: "Can we keep the noise down a bit please? like.. whispers for greetings?"
02:25:58 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "oh god"
02:26:05 Shigernafy: "kinda hard to keep track of everything.."
02:26:05 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "i would run from any Dr Selvarians around"
02:26:10 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: " /mute red kerensky"
02:26:11 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "erm yeah, Tpoic people"
02:26:24 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "its getting hard to sort through all the colors to selvs"
* Cuisinart moves over to the chalkboard - Dont make me write your name on the board!
02:26:26 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Topic even"
02:26:55 [PS]Dr Evil: "guys, as much as I like the emotes and stuff, they're not appropriate during official meetings, please refer to the RoC regarding meeting behavior"
02:27:24 [PS]Selvarian: "Basically, if you all see someone using an illegal ship configuration, just let us know, and we will look into resetting the player's storage."
02:27:24 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "TOPIC!!!!!"
02:27:30 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i beliece the topic is ships with illegal mods"
02:27:48 [-GTN-]Demorian: "roger."
02:27:55 [PS]Selvarian: "I think we need to make a news post to that effect."
02:28:08 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i say put it on the news"
02:28:10 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "K Selv"
02:34:10 [PS]Tael: "and that goes for keeping that Transport in storage with the 2 auto repairs, dictor and 10 cl2000k's..."
02:28:15 Coleen: "k"
02:34:25 [PS]Tael: "i am getting tired of people saying, well i just have it, i dont use it...."
02:28:25 Gideon: "I think we need to be very definitive as to what an illegal ship is."
02:28:38 Shigernafy: "and... if we see them (or don't) cloaked with a dictor (get the don't now? should we warn them to get a new ship and threaten a kick if they don't.. or just let them go until an admin can get to them?"
02:28:40 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "ugh"
02:28:41 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "2 auto-repair is legit...no?"
02:28:42 Gideon: "for instance, is a cloaked interdictor legal, or illegal?"
02:28:44 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "swallowed my gum"
02:34:50 [PS]Tael: "any ship thats not possible with the current rules is illegal"
02:28:54 Gideon: "And what of Admiral Jimmy?"
02:29:01 [PS]Selvarian: "anything other than UGTO with flux waves, ICC with pulse shields, K'luth with Interdictors, etc."
02:29:03 Cuisinart: "I'd say an illegal ship is any ship that can't be built with the current rule set"
02:29:09 Shigernafy: "brb"
02:29:16 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "So even if they just HAVE but dont USE, it still has to go?"
02:35:17 [PS]Tael: "so if a ship was made with old rules and then they changed and the ship still exisits, its illegal"
02:29:21 [PS]Selvarian: "Cuisi -> exactly"
02:29:21 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "I agree with that Cuisnart"
02:29:22 Coleen: "That's a pretty good definition there, cuis"
02:35:22 [PS]Tael: "Yes"
02:29:26 Gideon: "Well, let's settle on a definitive description of an illegal ships."
02:29:36 [PS]Selvarian: "Faustus said sell it or lose it."
02:29:40 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Gideon: Cloaked Dictor takes advantage of two different customization systems. Illegal."
02:29:41 [PS]Dr Evil: "the sad part is this could have been dealt with easily by a complete reset of MC stats "
02:29:52 Gideon: "Okay, second point. While this is rediculous, we need to add this to the RoC."
02:29:56 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "so the few bomber dreads left are now illegal...."
02:29:59 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "wait, i thought ANY kluth with dictor was illegal"
02:30:08 Gideon: "Otherwise people will say: "Well, it's not in the RoC!""
02:30:11 [-GTN-]Demorian: "you mean what we're tlaking about"
02:30:17 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Kluth shouldnt have dictor i thought?"
02:30:31 [-GTN-]Demorian: "yes Lith, youre right."
02:30:31 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "wait wait wait, bomber dreads are illegal?"
02:30:32 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "Yeah Gideon, since that is what people say when confronted"
02:30:44 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Gideon you know how many people actually read the RoC??? not alot, thats for sure"
02:30:47 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Pizza: define "bomber dread""
02:30:47 Gideon: "EADs refit as bomber dreads are illegal."
02:30:50 Cuisinart: "that is correct, K'luth with dictors are illegal"
02:31:00 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "siphon with 8 mirvs..."
02:31:05 [PS]Selvarian: "Yeah, we'll look into adding it to Section 3.3 as well as post it in the news."
02:31:08 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "damn, why does it seem that that was targeted at me"
02:31:19 [-GTN-]Demorian: "It wasn't Lith"
02:31:27 Coleen: "That'l give us an 'official' leg to stand on, anyway"
02:31:27 Cuisinart: "ANY SHIP that is built in a manner that it cannot be built in NOW is illegal"
02:31:27 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "cause the hull can't be refit with torps now..."
02:31:28 Gideon: "Doesn't matter how many people read it. They always fall back on that, and the RoC is our legal operation document."
* [-GTN-]Demorian doesnt have his pat on the head remote.
02:31:30 Gideon: "As it were.."
* [-GTN-]Lith Ragond goes and scraps his EAD Bomber
02:31:49 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i liked that thing you know"
02:31:54 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "dunno if i should bring this up or not"
02:32:00 [PS]Selvarian: "The basic rule of thumb is just as Cuisi said: If you can't build it with the currently active rules set, then sell it, or lose it when the staff finds out you have it."
02:32:05 Gideon: "Go for it, Banshee"
02:32:19 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "ok"
* [-GTN-]Lith Ragond runs and makes sure he still cant build a bomber
02:32:32 [PS]Dr Evil: "if the staff finds out, you'll lose more then just the inventory"
02:32:33 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "i read a post a while ago about Mods and the RoC"
02:32:36 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "The problem with that selv and cuis, is that the ships can't be refit back to torps, as they should be"
02:33:17 Cuisinart: "then just get rid of it all together"
02:33:23 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, then fly it back into the gate."
02:33:31 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "We may as well reset all ships and be rid of all problems"
02:33:33 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "i remember it saying that we place tooo much dependancy on the RoC, that weve forgotten what being a mod is all about, and that we are powerless to stop anything not listed"
02:33:39 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "we cant fly it back into the gate"
02:33:40 [-GTN-]Demorian: "AGREED, Pizza"
02:33:41 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "selv - prestige loss"
02:33:53 Gideon: "Agreed, Banshee."
02:39:58 [PS]Tael: "there is a catch all in the RoC so if its not listed but wrong, you CAN enforce it"
02:33:59 Gideon: "The RoC is like this:"
* [-GTN-]Space Affe has entered the room...
02:34:24 Gideon: "It outlines principles that we can apply to situations that allow us to establish justice within the game."
02:34:33 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "RoC states that MOD can do as they wish... not that they will stay mod long "
02:34:43 Gideon: "Also, it illistrates some specific rules that are derived by these principles."
02:34:44 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Yes, and there is a general exploit rule"
02:34:48 Cuisinart: "can't enforce much since we can't kick anyone"
02:34:51 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "i know Tael but weve become bound by it"
02:34:52 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, the problem is not with the RoC, but with how it is being used to enforce the rules. Most of the problem stems from a lack of training."
02:35:06 Gideon: "However, the rules are not the beginning, nor are they the end, of any one priciple."
02:35:11 Gideon: "They are just examples."
02:35:23 Gideon: "priciple=principle."
02:35:26 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "Lith you would basically fly it into the gate click the ship and instead of command click remove "
02:41:29 [PS]Tael: "@Banshee, no, some of you have trained yourselves that way, but you are not bound... You have to expand your way of interpretting it"
02:35:34 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "i know Gideon but thats HOW we use it"
02:35:35 Coleen: "Follow the spirit, not the letter?"
02:35:50 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "bound shmound, we can twist the RoC to fit any situation we want, heck the government does"
02:35:57 Cuisinart: "good point Coleen"
02:42:01 [PS]Tael: "precisely Coleen"
02:36:00 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "LOL, forgot about that grif, thanks"
02:36:01 [-[A]-]FallenDeath: "Fritz how was jennifer last night?"
02:36:02 Gideon: "Right, just saying that for the floow."
02:36:04 Gideon: "floor"
02:36:10 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "we are bound to the RoC when it comes to handing out kicks/bans..."
02:36:11 [-[A]-]FallenDeath: "oops sry whisper"
* Gideon slaps [-[A]-]FallenDeath in the head...
02:36:14 Cuisinart: "I've never felt bound by the ROC"
02:36:14 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "that i have done Tael, ive read the RoC i understand the RoC but i do think its a little to binding"
* [-[A]-]AgentFritz slaps [-[A]-]FallenDeath in the head...
02:36:22 [PS]Dr Evil: "the RoC is nothing more then a guideline for behavior, that's all"
02:36:29 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "ROFLMAO @fritz"
02:36:41 [-GTN-]Skuriti: "erm, am i allowed in here, or shall i leave?"
02:36:45 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "I didn't do anything... I swear..."
02:36:57 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Just keep quiet Skuriti"
02:36:57 Gideon: "Correct, it falls on us to use our descernment in all situations."
02:37:10 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "fritz got some eh?! WOOT"
02:37:15 [PS]Selvarian: "Skuriti -> You're allowed to stay.. as long as you keep your comments to whispers.  )"
02:37:20 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "oh god ive had another thought, bear with me a sec"
02:37:25 Gideon: "So, do what is right by the spirit of the rules, not the letter."
* Gideon smells smoke...
02:37:35 Coleen: "Wel, that must've hurt"
02:37:41 [PS]Selvarian: "The RoC is a tool. That is all that it is."
02:37:42 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i have to agree with Gideon here"
02:43:54 [PS]Tael: "Well its like this, back in my military days it took us time to ween the new officers off "the book" remember, "the book" gives you ideal solutions to ideal situations... there are no such things in life, so you are to take the lessons and examples and learn how to react, but not be bound to only that way..."
02:37:55 [PS]Selvarian: "We are tool-users. Use the tool."
02:37:59 Gideon: "LOL"
02:38:09 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "and we can use that tool how we see fit right? or do i have too much of a CIA attitude"
02:38:12 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Agreed Gid, but by doing that we ould land ourselves in trouble"
02:38:14 [PS]Selvarian: "Use it properly, with care, with wisdom."
02:38:15 Gideon: "Correct"
02:44:24 [PS]Tael: "So long as you follow the spirit of the RoC and Darkspace, you are in the right..."
02:38:29 Coleen: "The rules are black and white.. it's up to us to police the grey areas"
02:38:31 Cuisinart: "topic?"
02:38:49 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i forget cuisi"
02:38:52 [PS]Selvarian: "You all know what your job is, *I HOPE*, use the RoC to help you do it."
02:38:54 Gideon: "If you are upholding the spirit of the rules, then your actions will vidicate you in the eyes of your peers."
02:39:00 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "rgr dat selv"
02:39:07 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "so if we feel a kick is in order, and no warning was given... we can do it... ora am I lost here..."
02:39:11 [PS]Selvarian: "Topic is about dealing with illegal ship configurations."
02:39:15 Gideon: "The RoC was made for us, we were not made for the RoC..."
02:39:20 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "seeing as RoC says to warn first =P"
02:39:20 Coleen: "Remember also: we are the face of PaleStar. What we do as individuals refletcs on DarkSpace as a whole."
02:39:26 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "http://www.darkspace.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=9012&forum=40&17"
02:39:29 [PS]Selvarian: "Pizza -> That is covered pretty well by the RoC."
02:39:30 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "ROFL, we are kinda off topic i guess"
02:39:37 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "lol how we get to RoC then.."
02:39:47 Gideon: "Pizza, if the situation warrents it, then kick first and warn after."
02:39:54 [PS]Selvarian: "No, not really. Enforcement of said rule is under a more general question."
02:40:02 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "im sure u have all seen this post, by Demorian naturally, i just wondered about how things were described here, this backup my point about being bound by the RoC"
02:40:13 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "i have to interupt.. i have to go somehting has come up"
02:40:15 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "I am sorry"
02:40:39 Coleen: "Be well"
02:40:48 [-GTN-]Demorian: "FYI: I have just posted the new 3.3.h addendum to the exploit section in the RoC"
02:40:50 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "it says our word is final, yet if something is not explicitly listed we can land up in trouble, but once again, it says our word, as staff is final, someone clear this up for me?"
02:40:53 Gideon: "Be safe."
02:40:58 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "live long and prosper?"
02:47:15 [PS]Tael: "Banshee, in that post we were debating disrespect of the staff while handling situations... not the same thing"
02:41:13 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Later Neo"
02:41:13 [-GTN-]Demorian: "this regards illegal customization, please review before it is submitted."
02:41:19 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I posted it in the PMF"
02:41:26 Cuisinart: "I feel I must point out that the players are our customers and no matter how aggravated you may be at what one does/says you should always remain professional and impartial"
02:41:28 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "ok my misreading"
02:41:32 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "we need to get back to the ship modding issue, then back to the RoC thing.."
* [-GTN-]Demorian applauds Cuisinart.
02:41:42 Coleen: "Well said, Cuis"
02:42:03 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Pizza, I wrote the RoC rule out regarding those illegal mods "
* [-GTN-]TheGriffin pats Cuisinart on the back
02:42:10 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Exactly Cuisi but it seems they can mock our decisions and we are powerless to do anything about it"
02:42:11 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, Banshee, if you kick someone for saying "flibbertygibbit", though your word may be final at that point, you are still subject to the rules, just like everyone else."
02:42:24 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "rgr dem"
02:42:33 Gideon: "Flibbertygibbit!"
02:42:39 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "lol"
02:42:40 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "hehe flibbertygibbit"
02:42:41 Coleen: "However Cuis.. we are ALSO customers.. and, despite being the 'face' of PaleStar.. we are also paying to play this game.. and we deserver our share of respect"
02:42:44 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "post the change in news too "
02:42:48 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "where u get that from selv "
02:42:52 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "thats funny to say"
02:49:05 [PS]Tael: "@Banshee, no, if someone mocks you 3.1.2a gives you recourse to deal with the situation..."
02:43:12 Cuisinart: "Coleen, when you play mod you have to eat a little dirt from time to time, comes with the role"
02:43:18 Gideon: "I have a new swear word....flibbertygibbit..."
02:43:29 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Yes Tael, thanks for bringing that one up."
02:43:32 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "roflmao"
02:43:34 [PS]Selvarian: "Cuisi is right, but do not allow "the customer is always right" mentality to override your resolve to properly deal with a problem situation."
02:43:41 Coleen: "Oh yeah, I won't dispute that at all. But most players seem to forget WE'RE paying too"
02:43:49 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Remember guys, you don't have to take any crap, even if its a good argument against you, from people when you warn them. The RoC tells them not to until later."
02:43:54 Cuisinart: "hehe, I'll grant that"
02:44:02 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "we are customer too, so we are always right "
02:44:06 [-GTN-]Demorian: "take into account what i just said and combine it with what Selv just said ;P"
02:44:27 Cuisinart: "I wouldn't expect you to put up with personal attacks and such"
02:44:36 [PS]Selvarian: "Remember that there are ALWAYS bystanders who have to experience the fallout from someone misbehaving.. they are paying customers, too."
02:44:38 Coleen: "In other words: Exercise that lump three feet above your tukus when making snap descisons, eh?"
02:50:54 [PS]Tael: "To elaborate on Dem's comment... Arguing at the time of the incident only inflames it... Per RoC they are to adhere to your requests as staff and any disagreements are to be made via other staff, admin, or MFF..."
02:44:55 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "eh"
02:45:02 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "its just annoying when others gang up on your for making the right decision, we cant force them to be quiet so it just builds up, though lately ive been getting applauds for my actions, seems to me even the players are getting fed up with exploiters etc"
02:51:15 [PS]Tael: "NOT in game or Lobby, and NOT in general antagonism of the staff"
02:45:26 [PB]tragicx: "Well, I hope I will be able to effectively use the kick or ban in a need of such abuse."
02:45:32 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: " the /mute comming soon "
02:45:38 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, we will be getting that fixed soon, Banshee"
02:45:53 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Rgr that Selv"
02:45:53 Cuisinart: "topic?"
02:45:55 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "does the /mute mute the person for everyone or just you?"
02:45:57 [PB]tragicx: "the /mute is for admins only, according to tael"
* Coleen weeps with joy at the thought of a working /kick and /ban again
02:46:06 [PS]Dr Evil: "actually you can Banshee, someone starts giving you crap on the spot for official actions your're taking, remove them from the scene"
02:46:10 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "oh, not mod?"
02:52:12 [PS]Tael: "no tragic, you asked me about /hide"
02:46:11 [PS]Selvarian: "Same one, Cuisi"
02:46:18 [PS]Selvarian: "I haven't changed it yet."
02:52:21 [PS]Tael: "the /hide is for admins only"
02:46:24 Cuisinart: "Heh, I'd be happy with a working /push"
02:46:31 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "@ Evil so we kick them aswell in that case?"
02:46:37 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "lol"
02:46:39 [PB]tragicx: "I asked you about mute... oh well.."
02:46:48 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "the invisable faustus'"
02:46:51 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "nobody is safe now!"
02:52:55 [PS]Tael: "lol i only saw the whisper about /hide didnt see you change topics"
02:47:03 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "nimby can now stalk victims without being seen!"
02:47:05 [PS]Selvarian: "Someone giving you backtalk over a warning or a kick, warn them, then kick 'em if they don't stop."
02:47:06 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "oh the horror!"
02:47:09 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I guess topic is still modded ships, I am still for complete reset of ships..."
02:47:12 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "lol Tael i whispered about hide "
02:47:24 [PS]Dr Evil: "if you're in game and someone is making your life difficult in trying to perform any type of official action, yes, kick em. "
02:47:30 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "Are we done with the topic of Illegal modded ships?"
02:47:33 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, we can't effect that, so..."
02:47:37 Gideon: "Cloaked nimby monster..."
* Gideon shudders.
02:47:44 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "AHHHHHHHHHhh"
02:47:54 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "lol"
02:48:04 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "i am with pizzathehut on resetting everyones ships"
02:48:05 [PS]Dr Evil: "gaifens cloaked as planets...."
02:48:06 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "btw, dont do dr before your name"
02:54:15 [PS]Tael: "i think its safe to say, any ship that can not be legally made with current rules is illegal and must be disposed of or risk admin reset of the whole storage"
02:48:12 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "we are put in a position where we have to assume sometimes"
02:48:17 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "and its getting difficult"
02:48:19 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "as i said, i would run from anyone named Dr Selvarian"
02:48:19 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Reset gets my vote"
02:48:22 Cuisinart: "I don't really like the mass ship reset idea"
02:48:39 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "same here cuisi"
02:48:42 [PB]tragicx: "I vote for reset.."
02:48:50 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "i vote for reset"
02:48:53 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, it is pretty much moot to discuss here.. that's a Faustus issue."
02:48:55 Coleen: "Well, a blanket reset would be ok.. but if we did something that drastic, we should give the player base a week or two advance warning"
02:48:57 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I don't like it, but it ends all discussion"
02:49:02 Gideon: "...I vote...warning."
02:49:02 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "theo nly reason to reset is that we can't capture everyone"
02:49:17 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "and I would say the same if I had 6 decked out dreads..."
02:49:28 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "some players will slip through the net, thats guarenteed"
02:49:34 [PS]Dr Evil: "...and there will be those who will refuse to turn in their illegal items"
02:49:50 Gideon: "True, and they will cause greif to the other players..."
02:49:55 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "and kicking them will not remove the ships"
02:49:57 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "some people probably even have QSBs!"
02:50:03 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. Let's move on.."
02:56:04 [PS]Tael: "maybe we should send an sql query through, if you have tech thats illegal to your faction its erased.."
02:50:07 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i guess so, it seems the best way"
02:50:10 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "cause then we have to kick them then try to find an admin"
02:56:13 [PS]Tael: "suddenly you'll see ships with empty slots "
02:50:15 Gideon: "How would they get a QSB?"
02:50:16 Coleen: "A blanket reset would be applied to all players equally.. so one player couldn't say 'Hey, you erased my ship, how come you didn't erase HIS?""
02:50:16 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "Next Topic..."
* [-GTN-]Demorian shouts a proverbial SHUSH!!!
* [TWP]PizzaTheHut whispered "doesn't solve the correct tech in the wrong slot..."
02:50:52 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "its simple gideon"
02:51:00 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "some ships in some freakesh bug"
02:51:13 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "already told him red =)"
* You whispered to [TWP]PizzaTheHut : "another sql query, i was thinking of sending several through to validate"
02:51:18 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "awile ago some beta ships decked out with QSBs and other pre-beta equipment survived the passage from beta into release"
02:51:18 [PS]Selvarian: "Moderator Orb/Mode"
02:51:26 [-GTN-]Demorian: "QUIET!"
02:51:38 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "I WANT IT BACK"
02:51:46 [-[A]-]FallenDeath: " /send clan lol dude i swear to god ive never seen a Fat chick naked AND I DONT PLAN ON IT!!!!!"
02:51:46 [PS]Selvarian: "The Mod Orb has been shelved temporarily"
* Cuisinart gags Demorian and Lith
02:51:53 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Lith, chill, Let Selv talk about it"
02:51:54 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "lol"
* [TWP]PizzaTheHut whispered "just easier to reset all and boost all to 500k..."
* [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC] slaps [-[A]-]FallenDeath in the head...
02:52:02 [PS]Selvarian: "..due to the amount of coding that it is going to take to get it working."
02:52:05 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "wo"
* Coleen glares at Fallen
* [-[A]-]AgentFritz slaps [-[A]-]FallenDeath in the head...
02:52:09 Gideon: "Thank you for that, Fallen..."
02:52:10 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "ROFLMAO @ fallendeath"
02:52:16 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "Oh My God"
* [-GTN-]Demorian removes Fallen from the room promptly.
02:52:17 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "lol"
02:52:30 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "May I please kick him?"
02:52:33 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "So selv"
02:52:36 [-[A]-]FallenDeath: "im sorry that was supose to go to clan"
02:52:39 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "rgr that selv, just hope it doesnt tak too long"
02:52:43 [-[A]-]FallenDeath: "NO FRITZ!!!!"
02:52:48 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "yes fritz, please do"
02:52:49 [-GTN-]Demorian: "okay GUYS"
02:52:51 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "we will just have a cool mod version of observe?"
02:52:51 [-GTN-]Demorian: "chill"
02:52:54 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Death quiet PLEASE"
02:52:57 [PB]tragicx: "So an observe type mod thingy will be in order soon?"
02:52:58 [-GTN-]Demorian: "it was an accident. Selv, anything else to report?"
02:53:03 [PS]Selvarian: "The alternative that is being worked on is a Moderator-Observe mode."
02:53:08 Gideon: "We going with the omnipotent observer mode?"
02:53:11 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Sky, that is the current word, but that is what SELV is trying to tell us"
02:53:19 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i like that"
02:53:27 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "hey Selvarian, i got a question"
02:53:33 [PB]tragicx: "What will the functionality of the observer mode be?"
02:53:34 [-GTN-]Demorian: "FYI guys I will be writing out a list of stuff needed for that mode just as I did for the Orb. Probably tomorrow after I get home."
02:53:36 [-[A]-]FallenDeath: "ok Fritz kick me"
02:53:39 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "will we be able to view ships and manually focous"
02:53:41 Coleen: "It's the next best thing to a mod orb, anyway"
02:53:43 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "personally i dont care what we get, as long as we become effective in game"
02:53:54 [PS]Selvarian: "Since it is pretty much already implemented, and Faustus only has to link in the chat window, a target selector, and the ability to rotate the camera"
02:54:07 [-GTN-]Demorian: "(and spawn button, Selv?)"
02:54:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "(or no?)"
02:54:16 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "and see ALL ships right?"
02:54:16 Gideon: "Yes, whatever we get, we need to be able to moderate the MV more efficiently...."
02:54:21 [PS]Selvarian: "..as well as provide the F9-like UI for mods"
02:54:29 [-GTN-]Demorian: "yes Lith, observe mode"
02:54:35 [PB]tragicx: "Sounds good. Does that mean he's fixed the /push command? or /kick automatically do that?"
02:54:42 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "what about spawning missions and ships"
02:54:45 Gideon: "Lith, I worry that some will use that as an advatage against the K'Luth..."
02:54:46 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "selv could we get the F9-like back UI back in game?"
02:54:48 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "and monsters too"
02:54:49 Cuisinart: "I worry that the object rendering distance will cause problems"
02:54:52 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "need to be able to see any server tho... I don't want to fly to Sol to look at observe..."
02:54:54 [-GTN-]Demorian: "probably, tragicx, but nobody knows if kick and ban are fixed too"
02:55:02 [PS]Selvarian: "Fallen -> Please observe decorum, or go back to the English room.. thanks!"
02:55:16 [PS]Dr Evil: "he's gone"
02:55:28 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "as in not just in uber observer mode but i mean back in reg game?"
02:55:34 [PS]Selvarian: "Sky -> maybe not in-game, but in the mod-mode"
02:55:42 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "gideon, then the kluth may be able to skirt the rules"
02:55:56 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "k"
02:55:58 Gideon: "Yeah, that's true..."
02:56:09 [PS]Selvarian: "The future of being on-duty in-game will mean that you will not be playing."
02:56:10 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "we will need to see Kluth ships, if only partially"
02:56:16 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "and this moderator command"
02:56:20 Cuisinart: "So it will be either play or be mod but not both?"
02:56:20 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "anythng done in it will be logged"
02:56:24 [PB]tragicx: "But we should be able to kick even observe mode or right.. am I safe to assume this?"
02:56:24 [PS]Selvarian: "Yes, K'luth will be visible"
02:56:26 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "oh i see"
02:56:30 [PS]Selvarian: "That's correct, Cuisi"
02:56:30 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "if we can see ICC and UGTO doing something they shouldnt, Kluth shouldnt have immunity, plus, we dont have any MODS that would do that"
02:56:32 Cuisinart: "doh!"
02:57:00 Cuisinart: "but me like to play..."
02:57:13 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "im with cuis though"
02:57:15 Gideon: "Do I need to make a separate account to mod with?"
02:57:15 [ZEON]Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "what about monster spawning, item spawning, mission spawning, and ship spawning?"
02:57:20 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "so if were playing and a problem occurs, we have to leave game, enter mod mode and deal with it?"
02:57:24 [PS]Selvarian: "There's too much of an appearance of bias, plus splitting your attention between playing makes us less efficient at both."
02:57:25 Coleen: "I'm willing to sacrifice some of my play time I suppose"
02:57:29 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I think we have enough mods to devote an hour or so to mod duty.."
02:57:30 [PS]Selvarian: "So play."
02:57:32 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "it is easier to play and mod at the same time"
02:57:35 [PS]Dr Evil: "that's actually a topic for discussion Gid"
02:57:53 [PB]tragicx: "banshee, same thought I was having.."
* [-GTN-]SkyLander is getting confused
02:58:16 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "if we have to do that banshee the problem will be over before we get there"
02:58:21 [PS]Selvarian: "Yes, the goal is to get enough mods to have several people on-duty in the various venues around the clock, but only spending a few hours a week per person."
02:58:26 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "well if seperate Mod accounts are needed we can form our own mod clan "
02:58:52 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "that would be cool... the [MODS]?"
02:58:56 [PB]tragicx: "[MOD]tragicx, that'd be interest.."
02:59:01 Coleen: "My question: If seperate mod accounts are required.. do we have to PAY for the second account?"
02:59:04 [PS]Selvarian: "While off-duty, you're a player. Play the game, chat, have a good time, etc."
02:59:06 [-GTN-]Demorian: "that would mean either paying for a new account or getting your release flag turned on for all those Banshee...which uh...wouldnt go over well with F]"
02:59:13 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "but anyway "
02:59:14 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "lol i was thinking [MS] Mod Squad "
02:59:15 Gideon: "I cannot afford to have more accounts. Two for this game is my limit."
02:59:26 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "Selv"
02:59:28 [PS]Dr Evil: "Coleen, no, you wouldn't"
02:59:30 Coleen: "Right"
02:59:36 [PS]Dr Evil: "but you wouldn't play with the mod account either"
02:59:39 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "when this observer mode is realeased"
02:59:45 Gideon: "That's fine."
02:59:49 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "we can still mod the game without going into oberserver right?"
02:59:50 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "[MOD] would work best... "
02:59:53 Coleen: "Well, that only makes sense"
02:59:56 [PB]tragicx: "Personally, I don't like the idea of having two accounts, one for mod and one for player.."
02:59:56 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "it would just help us?"
02:59:59 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "for the time being"
03:00:02 Coleen: "I'm I'm working, I don't expetc to play"
03:00:04 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, a second account is a stop-gap measure. If this is implemented correctly, you can use your "play account", but you will assume a role when you go on-duty."
03:00:20 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Sky, I would think so, but I think everyone would prefer that you mod people as a mod."
03:00:21 Coleen: "Ok Selv, thank you"
03:00:36 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "but...er"
03:00:41 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "k"
03:00:48 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "guess ill go along with it"
03:00:49 [-GTN-]Demorian: "meaning, in mod mode."
03:00:51 [PB]tragicx: "I'd rather be able to play, and if something happens, I'd have to report it to someone on duty? Or switch to mod mod and then do something?"
03:00:54 [PS]Selvarian: "Sky -> going forward, the moderation functions will be available only in "on-duty" mode."
03:00:59 [-GTN-]Demorian: "we'll see how it goes before we form opinions"
03:01:01 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "to be honesy i agree with Tragic, when the players know us they respect us that little bit more, with meaningles unknown second accounts it could be a problem"
03:01:01 Cuisinart: "Clarification - Will we still have the ability to moderate while playing?"
03:01:14 [PS]Selvarian: "Cuisi-> In the future, no."
03:01:18 Gideon: "The option to be able to Mod as a player must exist, for emergency measures, but the mod mode would only be for while you are on duty."
03:01:20 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "but we still have /kick and /ban while playing regularly?"
03:01:23 [PS]Selvarian: "If you are playing, you are playing."
03:01:29 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I think in any case, on duty or not, if we are there, we are still MOD and we still perform our duty.."
03:01:30 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "well that negates us totally"
03:01:40 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "ug this is getting difficult"
03:01:40 [PS]Selvarian: "No, it doesn't"
03:01:58 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "selv by the time we leave the game and rejoin into mod mode the problem will be over with"
03:02:06 Cuisinart: "hmm, I'm starting to like this whole thing less and less"
03:02:11 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Sky > who said you had to leave the game"
03:02:15 [PS]Selvarian: "Guys, it is REALLY SIMPLE. Playing the game and refereeing it are generally mutually exclusive."
03:02:19 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Agredd Cuisi"
03:02:33 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "id rather just wait for the orb"
03:02:35 [PS]Dr Evil: "that's fine, you will have access to logs and be able to take action after the fact"
03:02:46 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "selv our main confusion is the transition phase, how will that work?"
03:02:46 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "Dem im considering that mod mode is basically a separate team?"
03:02:59 [-GTN-]Demorian: "switching to mod mode means youre removed from the player game and switching back means starting over. or on a grander scale, you have a choice when entering game as to whether you join as player or mod. i would prefer the former."
03:03:08 [PS]Selvarian: "You have to stop PLAYING the game whenever you have to warn/kick/ban someone anyway, meaning that, if you are in combat, someone will keep shooting you while you are typing the commands."
03:03:29 [PS]Selvarian: "Everybody keeps complaining about getting killed in their ships while doing their job, so..."
03:03:31 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "Guys if youre not on duty you do what any plaer does and report it, The Mod on duty will take it from their. Correct?"
03:03:32 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "yes i know selv"
03:03:39 Gideon: "Starting over? Please elaborate, Demorian..."
03:03:39 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "if we have seperate accounts for Mod mode, then we have to exit, switch accounts, then get back in and BOOM problem over"
03:03:43 [PS]Selvarian: "That is correct, Griff"
03:03:48 [PS]Dr Evil: "grif, correct"
03:03:48 Cuisinart: "Well, frankly, it sounds rather boring"
03:03:50 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "my eyes are getting sore :"
03:03:55 [PB]tragicx: "And do we have a duty schedule coming up?"
03:03:56 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Okay, may I have the floor for a moment"
03:03:57 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "if people were smart enough to just jump back to the gate and do their commands there wouldnt be a problem"
03:04:01 [-GTN-]Demorian: "This is getting hectic"
03:04:12 [PS]Selvarian: "No, Banshee, we are talking scheduled times. You won't "Switch" on a moment's notice."
03:04:20 [-GTN-]Demorian: "and I want to clarify something, at least based on what we *should* have"
03:04:21 Coleen: "Well, being the police is boring Cuis.. except for the 15 or so random seconds of extreme panic"
03:04:31 Cuisinart: "AH (light goes on)"
03:04:36 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "ohh schedule, thats not gonna work selv"
03:04:42 Cuisinart: "I get it Selv"
03:04:47 Cuisinart: "that would work"
03:04:51 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Oh dear......."
03:04:57 [PS]Selvarian: "Why not, Ban?"
03:05:01 [-GTN-]Demorian: "you mean scheduled duty/off duty times?"
03:05:07 [-GTN-]TheGriffin: "afk brb"
03:05:09 [PS]Selvarian: "Yep."
03:05:12 Cuisinart: "IF you can get enough reliable ppl willing to work for free"
03:05:13 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "I for one cant guarentee when i will be avaliable"
03:05:16 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "erm"
03:05:23 [PS]Dr Evil: "we have enough people that we can schedule an hour a day or an hour every couple of days, easy enough"
03:05:25 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "my life is so hectic right now a schedule would be IMPOSSIBLE for me to adhere to"
03:05:34 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "i am with Banshee also"
03:05:37 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "im a mechanic and my hours can be rather subject to change"
03:05:40 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Okay, LISTEN UP, I got something to say about "duty times""
03:05:54 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "dem has the floor"
03:05:59 [PB]tragicx: "How about this idea.Even though I'm not for the two account idea, what about someway to switch on-the-fly between accounts? Instead of having to log out and back on.. or even back in the game menu (where you logoff). What about that?"
03:06:13 [PS]Selvarian: "Then don't take a ref/mod shift.. police the forums.. work on the manual.. there's MORE THAN ENOUGH unscheduled things to do."
03:06:31 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "amen to that selv.."
03:06:35 [PS]Selvarian: "Like I said, in the future, there WILL NOT BE TWO ACCOUNTS."
03:06:48 Cu
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| Posted: 2002-07-09 22:56
03:06:48 Cuisinart: "?"
03:07:02 [PB]tragicx: "Then how will we switch between the two? "
03:07:16 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "Guys let Dem speak"
03:07:18 [PS]Selvarian: "Everyone can use their existing account, and simply issue a command to go on-duty in whatever venue they are in."
03:07:30 Gideon: "Okay, it goes like this: If you can't understand things up till now in this discussion, drink more beer."
03:07:33 [PB]tragicx: "like a /goonduty command?"
03:07:38 Gideon: "All becomes clear with more beer."
03:07:38 [PS]Dr Evil: "... even in game...."
03:07:42 [-GTN-]Demorian: "As of now, I am going to strongly oppose duty times that grant us modship at given times, or require us to do something at a specific time.....that is, not spontaneously mod as we have efficiently for the first year this game has been in existance. Switching between play/mod mode could entail a simple removal of the players ship as if they had left the game. that means position is saved if in MV, and minute timer starts. We need a really good reason before we compromise our "spontaneous" "
03:07:48 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Did you guys get all that?"
03:08:13 [PS]Selvarian: "Nope.. cut off at "spontaneous""
03:08:18 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "upto spntaneous"
03:08:19 [PS]Dr Evil: "before we compromise our "spontaneous" is where it cut off"
03:08:20 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "im trying to figure out why we need this in the first place?"
03:08:21 [-GTN-]Demorian: ""spontaneous" modding we have had in the past.""
03:08:29 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "what is wrong with the current system?"
03:08:48 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Sky, for more concentrated observance of players rather than having to do it while in game in a ship that can be destroyed"
03:09:05 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I personally think we should simply have a mod mode that when we hit a command, say F9, we are "removed from game into this uber observe mode, and can then deal with the issue"
03:09:07 [-GTN-]Demorian: "However, what I am saying is there is no reason that we have to abandon the way we've done things for months."
03:09:07 [-GTN-]SkyLander: "ive never had that problem before"
03:09:09 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "i dont see any problems with current system, except when dealing with MV problems or cloaked kluth in SS when no room avaliable"
03:09:15 [PS]Selvarian: "The current system is showing the same sorts of problems as all other versions of it I have ever experiences."
03:09:19 Gideon: "Only thing wrong with the current system is that we cannot moderate somthing like the MV. While this isn't a problem right now, we are expecting to have a large influx of players in the near future."
03:09:19 [PS]Selvarian: "-ed."
03:09:27 [PB]tragicx: "I agree with pizza"
03:09:47 [-GTN-]Demorian: "I would personally PREFER the ability to switch between mod and play mode, HOWEVER i want it to be different than currently in that your ship IS removed from game and you cannot re-enter while the minute timer is going."
03:09:49 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "I like that idea Pizza"
03:09:56 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "then back to exactly where we were, and back to play"
03:10:06 [PS]Dr Evil: "lets move to a closed meeting room....."
* [TWP]Elijahwan84 has entered the room...
03:10:18 Gideon: "Roger"
03:10:25 [-GTN-]Demorian: "gotcha."
03:10:28 [=KSF=]Banshee[FCC]: "ok"
03:10:30 [PS]Selvarian: "We don't have people on at critical times, or on for very long at a stretch, we have accusations against staff members "refereeing themselves", and it is actually more difficult to manage the "spontaneous" availability."
03:10:36 Coleen: "I like the idea of being able to 'turn on' mod mode and have myself removed from in game play.. but I don't think we should be foreced to confirm to a schedule"
03:11:03 Coleen: "Heading to the closed room"
03:11:09 [PS]Selvarian: "Look, I am not suggesting that everyone has to punch a clock here. YOu set your own times."
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