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DiepLuc
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|  Posted: 2011-06-29 15:56
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| On 2011-06-28 12:00, Enterprise wrote:
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| On 2011-06-28 07:38, Eledore ICC Massis [R33] wrote:
Short: we are looking in to the possibilities.
Long: We are giving planetary Depo's using a AOE field first, because they really need it.
The drawback of supply ships using a AOE field, is that you no longer can concentrate all your repair/reload on a single target. So we may look at other combinations. For example we might equip the support station with a repair AOE and a reload drone. |
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I think it works better to make all reloads based around AoE. Sure as hell makes it easier to resupply fleets.
Making it difficult to repair a ship should be a good thing. It makes hull damage something thats much more a concern than shield or armor. It makes it count a hell of alot more.
Make all reloads AoE based, keep the range, make sure it can't stack too much (I think more than three on any given target is fair).
Focused repair is nice, but I've seen all too clearly its abuse, and the amount of problems it creates. At this point, I seriously think that making reloads AoE universally is a good thing. |
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You miss the other side of AoE reload, Ent.
Right now 1 SS can repair 3 ships maximum. Now with AoE, in a quad-angle group of SS, each SS repairs 4 ships. In a nutshell, with AoE repair drone, the bigger the fleet is, the more handful SS is. And that's ridiculous.
I still refer focusing drones. Because:
1/ Supply ship doesn't repair as fast as support station does.
2/ It distinguishes emergency case and normal case.
3/ Easily to count supply point.
With AoE repair drone, clearly we lose a lot of supply point. We don't expect such case, don't we? I don't hope the dev shall rewrite supply calculator.
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2011-06-29 23:08
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On 2011-06-29 15:45, Talien wrote:
I'm not too keen on Stations having AOE reloads unless they don't stack with other Station reloads, otherwise it'll be worse than it is now.
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This can only work if besides stacking, the reload speed also works the other way.... ie. speed divides according to number of ships it's repairing. If 1 rep drone repairs 2 ships, the speed halves.... 3 ships, a third, etc etc.
This is the question that has not been answered yet.
1 depot per planet, AOE. If one ship is being repaired you get a certain rep rate. If there are 2 ships there, does the rep rate get halved/divided between the 2?
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µOmniVore
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| Posted: 2011-06-30 01:11
AoE is just that if a station is taking dmg then the Aoe should repair the station as well, why because its in that area as well.
My issue with this idea is just that how much slower will repairing become with this idea. Like my eariler post suggested ships taking too long to repair most people would opt to let them repair in the garage and take out a new ship for each one lost my suggestion is to impliment some kinda ETA till repairs are completed would help and limit repairs to 3-5mins any more and people will complain trust me i am gonna be one of them.
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Pantheon
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| Posted: 2011-06-30 09:19
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On 2011-06-30 06:21, jamesbob wrote:
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Your wrong.
The entire reason depots were being stacked originally was because ships were taking too long to repair. All you're going to do is piss people off, and I'm not alright with that. We've lowered the repair time significantly already, and any more 'opinions' given on what we should have done/do without actually trying it first will likely be ignored.
Also, We will add some sort of stacking penalty or repair sharing depending on what's easiest on the server, but you will not be seeing depot or reload spam again.
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Borgie
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| Posted: 2011-07-01 02:26
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On 2011-06-30 09:19, Pantheon wrote:
Also, We will add some sort of stacking penalty or repair sharing depending on what's easiest on the server, but you will not be seeing depot or reload spam again.
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made my day right here. depot spam was a huge balance issue.
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CM7
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| Posted: 2011-07-01 02:53
speaking of beta.
today had a 92mb update.
there has been no changes to beta log since i last played... ?
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test of the new depot system in beta.
steps.
1. Self destruct a Combat Dread
2. Re-spawn with 5% hull 100% armor 100% shields
3. Orbit depot planet with one depot on it.
4. Time how long it took hull to rise from 5% to 10%
5. Time how long it took hull to rise from 11% to 16%
6. Time how long it took hull to rise from 17% to 22%
Results.
All three tests showed that the probable time it would take to repair a combat dread from 5% hull to 100% is just over an hour.
Considerations.
We all know hull values are not.... accurate from client to server all the time. Perhaps my results are skewed by client server communication.
More testers needed to find and average repair rate for new depots.
Concerns
Rep time for depots may be far too slow.
Still undecided if this is a bad thing or not, as it encourages the use of plats and combat supply
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CM7
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| Posted: 2011-07-01 03:47
can depots be changed to repair all who are in orbit of the planet?
with such long rep times, the depot actualy goes out of range. Slightly annoying.
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Kenny_Naboo
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| Posted: 2011-07-01 04:27
So depots now take an hour to rep your dread to 100%?
Interesting. Maybe it needs a slight speed tweak. But it's still better than the depot spam.
Players will now have to build plat farms, since plats and ship rep drones still work the same way.
Clustered planets like Mycopia/Michelle will still be viable locations for plat farms because they are usually well-defended by dicos and overlapping planetary defenses. Add to that some weap plats and players will still be able to defend their plats against all but the most determined fleet assaults.
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| Posted: 2011-07-01 05:40
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On 2011-07-01 04:27, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
So depots now take an hour to rep your dread to 100%?
Interesting. Maybe it needs a slight speed tweak. But it's still better than the depot spam.
Players will now have to build plat farms, since plats and ship rep drones still work the same way.
Clustered planets like Mycopia/Michelle will still be viable locations for plat farms because they are usually well-defended by dicos and overlapping planetary defenses. Add to that some weap plats and players will still be able to defend their plats against all but the most determined fleet assaults.
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.... you know plats in detectible space get obliverated like prized pie.... Whoever wastes plat space like that 
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MrSparkle
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| Posted: 2011-07-01 12:27
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On 2011-07-01 02:53, Defiance*XO* wrote:
All three tests showed that the probable time it would take to repair a combat dread from 5% hull to 100% is just over an hour.
Considerations.
We all know hull values are not.... accurate from client to server all the time. Perhaps my results are skewed by client server communication.
More testers needed to find and average repair rate for new depots.
Concerns
Rep time for depots may be far too slow.
Still undecided if this is a bad thing or not, as it encourages the use of plats and combat supply |
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That does seem agonizingly slow. Even 15 minutes, 1/4 the time, would seem slow. That's a whole lot of sitting there doing absolutely nothing.
I too am curious about depot range. On large planets it's easy to wind up out of range. I wonder if a bump to 400 or 500 range would be good if it's impossible to make them repair while orbiting, even if out of range? They're not OP anymore so I'm not sure if there'd be any harm in increasing it.
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| Posted: 2011-07-01 17:25
Maybe this is an attempt to get everyone out of dreads, or not jump stupidly into a fight.
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| Posted: 2011-07-01 18:26
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On 2011-06-30 09:19, Pantheon wrote:
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On 2011-06-30 06:21, jamesbob wrote:
no offence but
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Your wrong.
The entire reason depots were being stacked originally was because ships were taking too long to repair. All you're going to do is piss people off, and I'm not alright with that. We've lowered the repair time significantly already, and any more 'opinions' given on what we should have done/do without actually trying it first will likely be ignored.
Also, We will add some sort of stacking penalty or repair sharing depending on what's easiest on the server, but you will not be seeing depot or reload spam again.
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The biggest problem today is that killed ships is undocking at 5% hull. Id rather see a timer of 30minutes or something before you can undock that said ship from planet. Logical it takes like 30minutes before the ship is availible to fly u can say. Then its restored at 50% or 100% hull.
The AoE is again a bad mistake in my eyes, it leaves another "skilled" thing out of the game, and quite frankly im gettin bored with how easy this game have becomen. All you need to do is be in an area and you gain hopes of prestige by doing nothing.
And again, 3 reloads on station i think is way to much. It encourages station spam, and with the insane missile damage as of today...station spam pwns
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| Posted: 2011-07-02 06:21
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On 2011-07-01 17:25, xTc-JSRSJ wrote:
Maybe this is an attempt to get everyone out of dreads, or not jump stupidly into a fight.
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if it is its a rather bad attempt because the only thing it will manage to do is to get some players to leave.
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| Posted: 2011-07-02 10:31
I haven't doubled the repair speed yet, so all speeds should be double~ roughly what they are now.
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| Posted: 2011-07-02 11:56
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On 2011-07-01 18:26, Tommas [ USF HunnyBunny ] wrote:
and with the insane missile damage as of today...station spam pwns
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