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Died~2000~Deaths[+R]*CC*
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|  Posted: 2011-07-21 04:36
Was in the siphon and noticed that it ran out of energy verry fast, all i was doing was shooting down missles and fighters with PD and not moveing and ecm off. so is it suppose to be like this or not suppose to. Also all the elf beams firing at once only took 25 pwr from ad. so is this normal for the new layouts for the siphon.
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CM7
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| Posted: 2011-07-21 07:51
siphon
10.9 gu cloak speed
Put projectiles on 1
disruptors on 2
elf on 3
*I seem to remember from my time as K'luth in MV 3 elf
beams working better than the 6 in v670. 3 elf beams in
MV tended to give about 25-40 points of energy back.
the 6 in v670 tend to give 20-25. One thing i want
to point out to kluth players is, elf dont work against
shields. They will damage shields (-10% on a transport)
but not give energy.
5 alphas = no energy - left elf beams out of the alpha as i
had no target. Fired all disruptors, torps, and si upon all
of them charging. They all seemed to get through charging at
about the same time regardless of power. SI charged twice as
fast as torps, disruptors, and assault disruptors.
Mandi
13.6 gu cloak speed
kept the stock number layout
Has way less armor than the siphon.
9 alphas = no energy
That puts the siphon burst damage output on one attack run to
318,000 x 5 = 1,590,000
Mandi burst damage output one attack run
252,000 x 9 = 2,268,000
Ill leave conclusions to the experts. I suggest you K'luth guys
get into beta and test this ship for yourself.
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CM7
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| Posted: 2011-07-21 08:08
EAD 291,000-430,000
AD 186,000-292,000
Assault Dread
25 alphas = 0 energy
probable range
186,000 x 25 = 4,650,000
best case scenario range
292,000 x 25 = 7,300,000
EAD
7 alphas = 0 energy
Probable range
291,000 x 7 = 2,037,000
best case scenario range
430,000 x 7 =3,010,000
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From: Eleventh galaxy on the right!
| Posted: 2011-07-21 08:50
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On 2011-07-21 04:36, Died~2000~Deaths[+R]*CO* wrote:
Was in the siphon and noticed that it ran out of energy verry fast, all i was doing was shooting down missles and fighters with PD and not moveing and ecm off. so is it suppose to be like this or not suppose to. Also all the elf beams firing at once only took 25 pwr from ad. so is this normal for the new layouts for the siphon.
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If you rotate the beams it is not so bad, disruptors all assigned to 1 and the Elfs on 2, after two rotations of Elfs you get around 90-100 energy back. I find that what I always do in beta or current release anyway is fly at a speed you are comfortable with amoungst your surroundings. For me If I am fighting Battle dreads ot Assault dreads a speed between 5gu - 6gu maybe 7gu at a stretch will give you a good balance to ultilise your ships energy.
Obviously as you know not to spacebar mash with the Siphon as it requires more conserving energy management. Try cycling the beams if you havent done so already and you find you stay in battle alittle longer.
Also with using siphon/Mandi with PD you can select individual disruptors rather than all of them, this also will save you energy so you can stay in the front line longer.
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Talien
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From: Michigan
| Posted: 2011-07-21 10:16
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On 2011-07-21 04:36, Died~2000~Deaths[+R]*CO* wrote:
Was in the siphon and noticed that it ran out of energy verry fast, all i was doing was shooting down missles and fighters with PD and not moveing and ecm off. so is it suppose to be like this or not suppose to. Also all the elf beams firing at once only took 25 pwr from ad. so is this normal for the new layouts for the siphon.
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Did you turn the Assault Disruptors off PD?
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CM7
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| Posted: 2011-07-21 12:23
Could fighter bays get an upgrade in ammo?
10 per bay?
Carriers with only 5 fighters per bay and no other weapons exept some defencive beams are...
lets just say i cant find a reason to use them as is. And i use the carrier cruiser to great affect right now in mv. Just ask the uggies that keep trying to blow me up with TCs and getting owned.
at the very least i feel that the Escort Carrier needs at least one eccm so that it can have a fighting chance against missiles and fighters. Bar the kluth stealth missile, ive noticed that all missiles and fighters have become very very hard to detect, expecialy in deep space.
The carrier cruisier lacking offencive arms other than fighters needs at least 3 ecm to keep its position hidden.
as is, you can pull the ECC and have guns and a small ship, or you can pull the CC and have....fighters... a fat ship... and...erm.. some pd lasers (not more than the ECC mind you).
or maby im just another vet trying to hold on to the past too much.
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Apehezt
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From: Apehezt
| Posted: 2011-07-21 13:02
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On 2011-07-21 08:08, *XO*Defiance wrote:
EAD 291,000-430,000
AD 186,000-292,000
Assault Dread
25 alphas = 0 energy
probable range
186,000 x 25 = 4,650,000
best case scenario range
292,000 x 25 = 7,300,000
EAD
7 alphas = 0 energy
Probable range
291,000 x 7 = 2,037,000
best case scenario range
430,000 x 7 =3,010,000
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Needs time to 0 energy as well, to calculate damage per second.
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The Fridge
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| Posted: 2011-07-21 13:06
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On 2011-07-21 08:08, *XO*Defiance wrote:
EAD
7 alphas = 0 energy
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You can gain another alpha if the flux wave and flux beams arn't used
And if all the beams arn't used at all then you gain Alot more alpha's, It'll probably be around 20 or more.
I'm guessing all tests are at 0 gu.
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CM7
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| Posted: 2011-07-21 13:13
yes all tests are at 0 gu
and if i exclude weapons from the alpha, its no longer an alpha now is it 
What should be taken away from my tests here is;
1. AD can engage multiple targets at once.
2. AD can engage and move at near full speed without too much energy loss.
3. EAD/siphon are built to engage and destroy single targets at a standstill.
4. when engaging small ships, kluth should use mandi over siphon.
5. when outnumbered kluth should use siphons and focus fire on one target.
6. even numbers or better, kluth should use mandies as they have greater capacity for longer engagements with multiple targets.
just IMHO
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The Fridge
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| Posted: 2011-07-21 13:14
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On 2011-07-21 13:13, *XO*Defiance wrote:
yes all tests are at 0 gu
and if i exclude weapons from the alpha, its no longer an alpha now is it
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But would the EAD naturally Alpha all the time?
Also if i alpha with the read weapons, EAD has Infinite Alpha's!
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CM7
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| Posted: 2011-07-21 13:21
no, no one in their right mind would mash spacebar onto oblivion in an assault ship of whatever faction.
that was not the point of the test
the test was to show a side by side comparison of the potential damage outputs of each ship through worst case scenario management of each ships energy systems in a non combat exercise.
similar to doing a rounds per minute rating on modern machine guns.
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Talien
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| Posted: 2011-07-21 14:22
Did the EAD get cut down to 1 aux reactor? I remember when they were first in beta they could alpha pretty much forever while sitting still then 1 aux reactor was replaced with more weapons and it was ok, so what's changed since then on the EAD?
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winterfrost
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| Posted: 2011-07-21 21:38
the luth conlny has no reload drones why?
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| Posted: 2011-07-21 21:57
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the luth conlny has no reload drones why? |
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It is a Command Class ship. Not a Repair ship.
The Defense and Command stations have had there drones removed. Only the Supply station has a single drone and a AOE Repair field.
We did this so stations become stations again instead of Tanks.
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NoBoDx
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| Posted: 2011-07-21 22:52
the lost supp-drone got changed into a damage control ?
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