On 2010-11-13 02:58, Bombg wrote:
I don't think it's unfair to think that new players should have some type of role in fleets beyond interdictor or support ship (and I the sensor scout for finding kluth). Everyone keeps saying small ships are deadly but I just don't see it. Especially when 2/3 of your weapons are beam weapons. Small combat ships should have some level of effect beyond just trying to get some pres pop shots. No I don't want to solo dreads, but I also don't want to feel useless in a fleet because I'm doing nothing to contribute other than trying to rank up.

On 2010-11-14 00:16, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
What won't happen or cut it:
- your baby ship soloing n beating a large ship
- devs giving nubs ridiculous bonuses or handicaps to take on large ships
- whining or begging for a major change to make life easier vs levelled players

On 2010-11-13 21:39, Bombg wrote:

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On 2010-11-13 14:58, Sops wrote: This game just has a really steep learning curve.

I keep hearing things to this effect but I really don't think this is true at all. Compared to games like Eve online the learning curve in this game is nothing. I believe I've picked up the meat of this game within the first week of playing it. I mean there isn't much going on here as far as mechanics go that isn't obvious to the players. And I'll say it once again. The notion that smaller ships are effective in battle vs large ships is just blatantly misguided or selfish.

On 2010-11-14 11:59, SpaceAdmiral wrote:
want an example of when to use small ships?
the missle dread is plowing your fleet with 2 metric tons of missles.
You need to stop him and his buddies from blocking the sky with misles.
Do you
A) Bum rush the mds in your EAD, knowing they will jump 1.5k gu out and retutn spamming?
B) Get a station and give free pres?
C) Get a cruiser to get in range and pound away
D) Get a dessie to absolutely evade and destroy him

On 2010-11-14 04:44, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:

ie Find out yourself how to use them. Things aren't gonna change just 'cos you ask for it. There's balancing work to be done.

right... 2 heavy cruisers Vs an EAD will win quite simply the cruisers have two things the EAD don't have...that's speed and maneuverability this can be used to get out of laser range and dodge QSTs while pounding the EAD with rails...i was on my ICC alternate and sometimes i can jump to a station at max speed and keep changing movement speed and angle this allows you to dodge pretty much anything that get's thrown at ya...smaller ships are effective against larger ships...i have jumped out in a support station and three destroyers jumped right up to me and hulled me and i nearly died..you just can't walk up to em and expect to tear into hull in 10 seconds like a dread.

Another time to use a Dessie. Is against a interdictor they have enough firepower to take it down and they can easily catch it without the need of a JD.

I've been here for a week. My favorite ships are dessies and cruisers. When I see a DN I always think, "My, what a lovely target." Then I slow down, roll in behind them (out of their real powerful firing arcs) , and plink them like great big sheep. Now sttations are just great ways to kill yourself in beam range. They have no real weak point that I have found

On 2010-11-14 17:17, Bombg wrote:

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On 2010-11-14 04:44, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote: ie Find out yourself how to use them. Things aren't gonna change just 'cos you ask for it. There's balancing work to be done.

I think the current balance of power is out of whack thus I want to solo dreads in a scout.

And I was ready for them to change the game to "Bombg Space" and everything.

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right... 2 heavy cruisers Vs an EAD will win quite simply the cruisers have two things the EAD don't have...that's speed and maneuverability this can be used to get out of laser range and dodge QSTs while pounding the EAD with rails...i was on my ICC alternate and sometimes i can jump to a station at max speed and keep changing movement speed and angle this allows you to dodge pretty much anything that get's thrown at ya...smaller ships are effective against larger ships...i have jumped out in a support station and three destroyers jumped right up to me and hulled me and i nearly died..you just can't walk up to em and expect to tear into hull in 10 seconds like a dread.

This scenario seems a little more believable to me than "dessies are deadly", but what's to stop the EAD from jumping on one of these ships and hulling them within two alphas?

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Another time to use a Dessie. Is against a interdictor they have enough firepower to take it down and they can easily catch it without the need of a JD.

This I can agree with from actually seeing it used first hand.

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I've been here for a week. My favorite ships are dessies and cruisers. When I see a DN I always think, "My, what a lovely target." Then I slow down, roll in behind them (out of their real powerful firing arcs) , and plink them like great big sheep. Now sttations are just great ways to kill yourself in beam range. They have no real weak point that I have found

Yeah this is exactly what I do but it's just popping people for prestige. You just seem to be okay with only being useful in very specific situations.

On 2010-11-14 17:17, Bombg wrote:

I think the current balance of power is out of whack ....
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Yeah this is exactly what I do but it's just popping people for prestige. You just seem to be okay with only being useful in very specific situations.

On 2010-11-14 16:29, sparkysun43 wrote:
I've been here for a week. My favorite ships are dessies and cruisers. When I see a DN I always think, "My, what a lovely target." Then I slow down, roll in behind them (out of their real powerful firing arcs) , and plink them like great big sheep. Now sttations are just great ways to kill yourself in beam range. They have no real weak point that I have found........Yet. Now I am perfectly willing to hop into a BC when I can finally get one, but thats beacuse I always wanted to drive a BC and run around like a mini dreadnought. I'm not into bombing, supply, or building. I just don't have the patience it takes. However, I am ALWAYS willing to guard "Bob the Builder" as he creates an impregnable bastion so we can drop into the heavy(ier) metal. My point is, if you have a niche, fill it as usefully as possible and others will help you with THEIR niches. I want to join a fleet btw and I'm not sure how to go about it.

On 2010-11-14 21:21, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:

BTW, nothing wrong with a ship being useful in specific situations.

Besides, there are only a few functions in DS:
Combat, Combat support(Bombing, Laying mines, Dictor), Supply, Building, Mining, Transporting. What else do you want? A singing, dancing frigate?


Several ships in DS are role specific.
Examples:

ICC Bomber Dread - Only useful for bombing. Dead meat if a combat/assault dread or cruiser jumps it.

Any interdictor or bomber cruiser (Clavate/UGTO Bomber Cruiser) - Also dead meat if an assault Dessie or bigger/greater jumps it.

Minelayers - No good for direct combat, just good enough to set/lay traps. They'll have to hightail it if they get jumped by an equivalent class combat vessel.

I don't see any rationale for your complaint other than wanting more powerful little combat ships.

On 2010-11-15 02:24, Bombg wrote:
There's a difference between a ship built for a specific task (combat, bomber etc), and a ship that's terrible at the task it was built for; thus only being useful in very specific situations.

On 2010-11-15 02:24, Bombg wrote:
There's a difference between a ship built for a specific task (combat, bomber etc), and a ship that's terrible at the task it was built for; thus only being useful in very specific situations.