On 2010-05-02 10:03, Bardiche wrote:


I believe the staff has given us their response already. To dumb down Sardaukar's response, "lol learn2play".

On 2010-05-02 02:22, Iwanni *Ojama Blue* wrote:

Ok, seriously, i think we should all stop whining, and back a single, sound plan.

I propose officialy to the devs:

Each faction has ship class limits.

EG: ugto has 11 players online. for this, they are allowed:

1 station

3 dreds

5 cruisers

2 destroyers

2 supply ships

3 engies

1 frigate

2 transports

1 corvette


Note: this is what i think, and may possibly not be what the devs/playerbase think. however, it gives a example of ship class caps.

of course, atleast 1 of any ship type should be allowed at any one time, for obovious reasons.

As player number increases, caps do too, simple as that.

just my 2 cents

On 2010-05-02 11:52, *Challenger* wrote:

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On 2010-05-02 10:03, Bardiche wrote: I believe the staff has given us their response already. To dumb down Sardaukar's response, "lol learn2play".

This is why staff tries to not put in comments in discussions like this. Now the assumption is being made that we don’t give a damn. That is far from the truth Bardiche. Some of us staff members play the game a lot, while I am UGTO I do not agree to the whole station spamming when it comes to combat. Fixing up ships is another story though.

On 2010-05-01 20:06, Jar Jar Binks wrote:
aye, support stations should be just that. SUPPORT stations. not something you take to the frontlines of a battle. and the battle stations should be just that aswell, a BATTLE station, not a mobile self repairing death star.

support stations should have some defensive capabilities in terms of firepower but no matter how many you take to a battle should NOT pose to much of a threat to a decent sized balanced fleet of ships.


battle stations on the other hand should have firepower, but not so much that you can win ANY battle of equal numbers by using only those.

so ditch the core weapons of the support stations, load it up with some rails/pcannons/PSI cannons and remove half of its missile banks.

cant say anything about the battle stations as i cant use those yet.

On 2010-05-02 12:11, JWA8402 wrote:
Just a humble observation... I've mostly been playing scenario and what I notice is that everyone usually works together in a variety of ships until the planet can support dreads or stations, then they switch to those and go on rampant killing sprees, usually ignoring map strategy the rest of the game. Correct me if I'm wrong but while building or loading resources from a planet makes the resources go down, spawning ships does not. Therefor once a planet reaches 300,000 or so(or whatever the requirement is) every person on the team could simultaneously spawn a station and continue doing so indefinitely. On a side note this is one of the things that leads to filling a garage with lots of one ship and spamming it, but thats not my point.

I don't think there should be any sort of cap on ship types, but if spawning one station used up all the required resources, people would have to continue mining to spawn more. Thus there would be a natural cap; 1 station+lots of little ships; a couple dreads+ a lot of little ships, etc. Unless their really industrious and keep mining but thats teamwork which is never bad so at that point they've earned it. Not sure if what I'm saying makes sense but it seems like an easy solution, not to mention an unrealistic aspect of gameplay that should be corrected. *Note, this mainly applies to senario, but would carry over to the metaverse by making faction possession of the most developed planets important again.

Unrelated observations: icc dreads seem horribly underpowered. I feel like I have a better chance of surviving an all out battle(uncloaked mind you) in a luth dread than an icc. Ugto is the armor faction so they should be able to take more damage, but require longer to fix. Icc, having shields, shouldn't absorb as much damage but should recharge much faster than they do. That and I'm very disappointed with how many beams the combat dread has; seems like replacing them with guns or even missiles would go a long way towards allowing them to be the long range faction their supposed to be, because so far when fighting from a distance icc cruisers put out more firepower, while beam range their still at a disadvantage. Please correct me on any outright mistakes but this has been bugging me for awhile.

[ This Message was edited by: JWA8402 on 2010-05-02 12:16 ]

On 2010-05-02 13:01, Nightsabre wrote:
I think that the best idea here would be just to limit the amout of repairs on ANY ship in the game. Say 3... that would make it so that Support station can either repair themselves or another ship only. This would really hurt stations but not nerf the whole game. So what if there are 10 stations out, if you focus on one then you can destroy it since the other 9 stations cant help repair it. This number might be a little low tho, I think it should be based off of ship class. Like scouts can only have 1 where as a station can only have 6 or something more like that. That way it wont take forever to repair a dread or station, but still a long time.

On 2010-05-02 08:52, obsidian shadow wrote:
ICC's shields and UGTO's multiple plates of armour pretty much total up to the same amount of damage tolerance. you say that UGTO have stupidly quick rep times but i say ICC have too many missiles.

The game IS balanced you just have to look at it as a whole so UGTO doesn't need nerfing. the faction balance is just right in my opinion it wasn't UGTO's fault that we have a bigger player base. it's the new players who first start the game who choose what faction they want to stick with.

also capping the amount of dreads/stations would just result in anger because people who work on getting to FA or whatever rank and finally get it and they can't even use it... i wouldn't be too happy would you??

On 2010-05-02 16:32, Nightsabre wrote:
I like that idea but there are alot of other factors that are needed to be looked at. First of all if an enemy can sit within 2k-4k and stop an entire team from reparing someones going to grab a sensor scout just to slow down the other team. Second if you made it different like: you or your sup cannot fire or get shot for x min and then the out of combat kicks in, but also then all you need is one scout. So something would have to be done where either scouts/destroyers could not put people into combat unless there are x number of them.