On 2012-10-06 21:46, Whiterin wrote:
Execpet that's wrong. Lately, last night my time for example, there were 3-5 siphons sitting on the station we had out at a time. Now, to address the suggested ways around this situation people have mentioned:

-Just have dreads for defense. Wow, no, really!? Because an AD can out beam 6 beam enh siphons right, or hey, even one! Yeah, no.

-Keep moving! Yeah, because stations are SO FAST that they are nearly impossible to keep up with! It's not hard to keep up with a station that's trying to run from you.

-Short jump out. Yeah, this would be a great idea if your enemy's JD didn't recharge 5x faster then yours and they couldn't just jump right back on you. Or hey, they usually just cloak and then 2 minutes later are right back on top of you.

This is an issue. Yes, the mechanics may have always been there, but this isn't how it's always been. It's not always been Luth siphon spam every time a station comes out. It's being HEAVILY abused lately, and it needs to stop. Either a new mechanic/weapon/collision thing needs to be added, or a rule needs to be put in place to do something about it. Just saying "LOL QQ MOAR" when people report, or complain about others circumventing and abusing game mechanics is down right idiotic. It's a problem, it needs to be fixed. Period.

On 2012-10-06 01:21, Havick86* wrote:

you rarely fly stations is how you deal with it.

On 2012-10-07 01:16, Scorched Soul[+R][Help] wrote:

On 2012-10-07 02:00, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:

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On 2012-10-06 01:21, Havick86* wrote: you rarely fly stations is how you deal with it.

So UGTO should perhaps adjust their tactics and rely less on stats?

On 2012-10-07 01:57, Talien wrote:

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On 2012-10-06 21:46, Whiterin wrote: Execpet that's wrong. Lately, last night my time for example, there were 3-5 siphons sitting on the station we had out at a time. Now, to address the suggested ways around this situation people have mentioned: -Just have dreads for defense. Wow, no, really!? Because an AD can out beam 6 beam enh siphons right, or hey, even one! Yeah, no. -Keep moving! Yeah, because stations are SO FAST that they are nearly impossible to keep up with! It's not hard to keep up with a station that's trying to run from you. -Short jump out. Yeah, this would be a great idea if your enemy's JD didn't recharge 5x faster then yours and they couldn't just jump right back on you. Or hey, they usually just cloak and then 2 minutes later are right back on top of you. This is an issue. Yes, the mechanics may have always been there, but this isn't how it's always been. It's not always been Luth siphon spam every time a station comes out. It's being HEAVILY abused lately, and it needs to stop. Either a new mechanic/weapon/collision thing needs to be added, or a rule needs to be put in place to do something about it. Just saying "LOL QQ MOAR" when people report, or complain about others circumventing and abusing game mechanics is down right idiotic. It's a problem, it needs to be fixed. Period.

3-5 Siphons don't even need to sit ontop of a Station to blow it up, even moreso if it's 6. If they do that they're just trolling for trolling's sake because you'd be dead no matter what, so why not kick you while you're down too just for the hell of it? Though honestly I'm having a real hard time seeing how that many ships would fit ontop of one Station without getting in eachother's way, even if it's just with beams. If it really was that many piled up on one Station I suspect it really WAS just for trolling's sake and only a couple of them were really firing while the rest were just there for S&G.

On 2012-10-07 09:49, Fatal Incinarator |SoT| wrote:
I propose a rather simple, though kind of brute force solution to this problem. I don't know how the code to check for the ability of weapons to fire works, but you should be able to add one simple short out line to the very top: if the z coordinate of your ship is greater than 0 (or 10, w/e you want) then don't allow the ship to fire. This prevents all forms of 'getting on top of other ships' to be useful, because the ship that's below you will still be able to fire, but you will not.

On 2012-10-07 06:52, Whiterin wrote:
Not sure if you're trolling, stupid, or just clueless as to what's actually happening. They sit on stations to kill the ships AROUND the station with beams. When no ships are in range is when they go for the station. It makes it pretty much impossible to attack them back, and they are free to fire on any ships or the station as they please in relative safety. As for being in each other's way, no, why would they be? Beams are instant connect/damage weapons. They hit the target instantly, they don't splash or FF, so there is no being in the way. As for the few people saying "well just don't use them". Really? WE shouldn't use stations, an important and valuable part of a decent fleet because other people want to abuse game mechaincs? Are you even thinking about what you're saying before you say it? Stations are intended to be in the game, they are intended to be in fleets, they are intended to be support, and protection for smaller ships. They shouldn't have to be not used, or have to jump out and abandon their purpose because of a glitch/abuse. That's ridiculous.

On 2012-10-07 09:59, Whiterin wrote:

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On 2012-10-07 09:49, Fatal Incinarator |SoT| wrote: I propose a rather simple, though kind of brute force solution to this problem. I don't know how the code to check for the ability of weapons to fire works, but you should be able to add one simple short out line to the very top: if the z coordinate of your ship is greater than 0 (or 10, w/e you want) then don't allow the ship to fire. This prevents all forms of 'getting on top of other ships' to be useful, because the ship that's below you will still be able to fire, but you will not.

That seems reasonable... though I think it would cause some issue with close range combat. Also, might want to make it so you can PD still.

On 2012-10-07 10:25, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
Well, one possible way to deal with this 'issue' would be to enable collisions only for stations.

I dunno if that is possible. But yeah, only for stats, and I mean friend and foe alike. That would mean that you can't stack stations, you can't put your favorite supply ship on a station, and so on. But neither can your enemies exploit them.

Downside, you have to fly your stations very carefully now. I dunno abt damage calculations for collisions, but basically any ship that collides with a station is toast. And any collision with a dread and above class should also render the station itself toast. If you jump into a station, then both are toast.

Sounds good?

Watch out for griefers and kamikaze attacks next...


Point is, sometimes the alternative may be even less palatable.

On 2012-10-07 10:01, Talien wrote:

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On 2012-10-07 06:52, Whiterin wrote: Not sure if you're trolling, stupid, or just clueless as to what's actually happening. They sit on stations to kill the ships AROUND the station with beams. When no ships are in range is when they go for the station. It makes it pretty much impossible to attack them back, and they are free to fire on any ships or the station as they please in relative safety. As for being in each other's way, no, why would they be? Beams are instant connect/damage weapons. They hit the target instantly, they don't splash or FF, so there is no being in the way. As for the few people saying "well just don't use them". Really? WE shouldn't use stations, an important and valuable part of a decent fleet because other people want to abuse game mechaincs? Are you even thinking about what you're saying before you say it? Stations are intended to be in the game, they are intended to be in fleets, they are intended to be support, and protection for smaller ships. They shouldn't have to be not used, or have to jump out and abandon their purpose because of a glitch/abuse. That's ridiculous.

So everyone is automagically supposed to know what you're talking about even though you don't mention what's going on? If you'd said they were attacking ships around the station to begin with maybe people would have known that's what you were talking about. I can't speak for anyone else but I'm certainly not a mind reader and since I haven't been in MV in quite a while, so yeah, I haven't seen this going on.

Try using your brain instead of resorting to insults.

Have you used /report in game when this is occuring? Have you sent in an email about it? It certainly hasn't been posted it in the reports section of the forums, all that's happened is this thread whining about people camping ontop of stations, something that has been happening for years. How is anyone capable of doing something about an issue going to know what's going on if you don't properly explain it?

On 2012-10-07 10:52, Whiterin wrote:
Stations are meant to shield smaller and damaged ships, and it's one of the main purposes for them... Fixing the issue will be tricky, I admit.