On 2012-10-07 11:11, Mike Paradox wrote:

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On 2012-10-07 10:52, Whiterin wrote: Stations are meant to shield smaller and damaged ships, and it's one of the main purposes for them... Fixing the issue will be tricky, I admit.

not true, stations are primarily for hauling a lot of weaponry and devices in a single huge package, and using them as and when required.

there, period, is simply no ship which is designed for actively and/or effectively meatshielding other ships. you can put something (planet, friendly, enemy) between yourself and the thing attacking you, but that only protects you from 1 direction. the current "shielding" effect is nearly omnidirectional, and completely prevents damage except from other ships on the station, and ICC station missiles which fire upwards.


it will be good for DS if this bug is removed or dealt with, when possible.

On 2012-10-07 10:38, Talien wrote:

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On 2012-10-07 10:25, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote: Well, one possible way to deal with this 'issue' would be to enable collisions only for stations. I dunno if that is possible. But yeah, only for stats, and I mean friend and foe alike. That would mean that you can't stack stations, you can't put your favorite supply ship on a station, and so on. But neither can your enemies exploit them. Downside, you have to fly your stations very carefully now. I dunno abt damage calculations for collisions, but basically any ship that collides with a station is toast. And any collision with a dread and above class should also render the station itself toast. If you jump into a station, then both are toast. Sounds good? Watch out for griefers and kamikaze attacks next... Point is, sometimes the alternative may be even less palatable.

Don't forget that when you launch from a SY your positioning is random, sometimes ontop of another ship. Wouldn't be fun to get instagibbed simply by launching. And then there's going through gates, and Wormholes.

On 2012-10-07 10:52, Whiterin wrote:
THIS WHOLE THREAD IS ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE! FFS, you really are this... ugh, ok, let's be calm now... How about you go back through, and read the posts here, STARTING WITH THE FIRST ONE. The whole issue is about ships, namely luth, sitting on stations and attacking the station and surrounding ships without having to worry about being attacked back. THE WHOLE. ENTIRE. THREAD IS ABOUT THIS. How can you not know what's going on by now, really? Not a mind reader... guess you don't read posts either. And yes, I have posted about this issue, not to long ago in fact.

Stations are meant to shield smaller and damaged ships, and it's one of the main purposes for them... Fixing the issue will be tricky, I admit.

I always thought that there should be some kind of "docking" mechanism for stations and ships. Like X number of ships can dock with the station at once. Docked ships will be able to PD, but nothing else, and will move with the station until undocked. Could disable all weapons for other ships on top of the station then. Just an idea.

On 2012-10-07 12:14, Pantheon wrote:
It's not a bug.

On 2012-10-06 20:13, rykros1987 wrote:
I don't know much about stations or ad's or ead's but I do know one thing. I don't care about politics or peoples opinions other then when they actually show a reason for things.

Stations were put into this game for a reason. It has a purpose and not only does the repair capabilities show that but so does the long range and short range weaponry.

When a particular action causes stations to suddenly have no use and to become shields for the enemy turning the battle entirely in their favor in a way that causes people to hate using stations its obviously apparent that how things are now is not how they should be.

The station was given a purpose and its turning out to literally not have much of one anymore with this particular scenario which happens to rampantly occur in almost every battle involving stations.

Sure its 'always' been this way from what I hear but how has anything in the world in any way what so ever...been improved by the attitude of 'its how its always been who cares'?

To me the act of sitting on a station to use it against its own forces is not an intended feature. I highly doubt it and if it is... it wasn't well thought out at the time and is too easy to pull off rendering stations in large scale battles utterly useless compared to where they should be now.

When something makes any particular feature of this game seem useless at times then its best to re-evaluate it. Since obviously theres a problem if people despise using a station since they constantly get used as meat shields by the enemy.

Now the best thing I've noticed in suggestions so far is a station collision type response. Where the other ship explodes and does damage relative to its size to the station. This would prevent sitting and nobody would be dumb enough to try to lose points ramming a station.

On 2012-10-07 15:06, Diesalot wrote:
From my experience this is what I found out:

If you sit on station and shoot the station it self, it takes very little damage from beams. If you use torps you hurt yourself as well. Most of the damage that happens to station are by FF.

If another ship (friendly) is between you and your target, the beams will hurt the friendly and not the target. I have no idea where all of you get this idea that the beam magicaly ignores them and goes through them.

so in conclusion, fly with team mates that know how to defend your station.

On 2012-10-07 15:08, Havick86* wrote:
. A station blowing up how ever? Simply requires a damge increase to an exsisting code to somthing thats already there. It really is the fastest way to change somthing. It would give any dread a life expectancy of 10 seconds.

On 2012-10-07 15:06, Diesalot wrote:
From my experience this is what I found out:

If you sit on station and shoot the station it self, it takes very little damage from beams. If you use torps you hurt yourself as well. Most of the damage that happens to station are by FF.

If another ship (friendly) is between you and your target, the beams will hurt the friendly and not the target. I have no idea where all of you get this idea that the beam magicaly ignores them and goes through them.

so in conclusion, fly with team mates that know how to defend your station.