On 2012-10-08 10:48, rykros1987 wrote:
This issue goes even further then just stat sitting.

I found out earlier that there was a way to hide things like supply ships under a stats outer part of their dome.

Now from what I observed nothing could hit me while I was in the stat short of a ship explosion. 2 Kluth parasites tried to beam me focus fire wise while approaching pokeyourwaffle. They didnt even dent my side armor at all and i'm a heavy supply ship. They did hurt waffle though which suggests that the beams get absorbed.

This means that not even beams can hit you if you hide inside a stat in a defensive position against say a kluth assault.

Can you imagine people taking 1 stat/3 suppliers per stat and piling up on the enhanced repair rates? How rediculous would that be? I don't know for sure on exactly what the repair rate would be but it sounds like it would be rediculous. Coupling that with the concept of hiding in the stat for invulnerability is insane.

Also what if bigger ships like carriers or dreads can fit under there? I don't know as I don't have the badges to try but it makes it clearly evident that if even some ships can be immune to incoming fire while camping a station then its a problem.
[ This Message was edited by: rykros1987 on 2012-10-08 10:53 ]

On 2012-10-08 22:07, Whiterin wrote:

Protecting friendly small and damaged ships is part of the purpose of a station. The issue comes when the enemy uses that mechanic to protect themselves from the ships around the station while being able to fire back relatively unharmed.

On 2012-10-09 08:39, Fattierob wrote:

I think i'll chime in now since we have seemed to to boil the issue down to something coherent and a legitimate complaint. We've always had this "issue" but it's always been kind of a bad idea to sit on top of a station since, normally, the station can out DPS and out tank you. I don't know what's really changing this (and i'm not going to read through six pages of "no u r wong i m rite") since last time I checked stations were pretty good at the whole "stand still and deal tons of damage to targets at point blank range" thing.

Food for thought: A small AOE field (smaller or equal to the radius of the Station so it would only effect ships "in" the Stations hitbox) that only effects enemies that gives -50% weapon reload time or -50% weapon damage.

But that seems to be a bandaid for a more legitimate issue that we're looking into: Hitboxes and why they are so wonky

On 2012-10-09 09:21, Zero28[Helper] wrote:
SS only weapons up close is its few beams and cores.
LS/BS is same but have bit more of both.

On 2012-10-09 09:46, Fattierob wrote:

There's your problem. Beams and Core Weapons do not scale off of gadget level. Meaning that a scout with a Heavy CL does the same damage as a Dread with a Heavy CL does the same damage as a Station with a Heavy CL.

On 2012-10-09 10:40, P2. wrote:
I still remember the times when the cloacking device Kluth existed because their ships were weak and with little energy.
Now they have powerful weapons, and quick repair.
I propose to remove the device, that way all factions are in the same conditions.

On 2012-10-08 11:38, Fatal Incinarator |SoT| wrote:

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On 2012-10-08 10:48, rykros1987 wrote: This issue goes even further then just stat sitting. I found out earlier that there was a way to hide things like supply ships under a stats outer part of their dome. Now from what I observed nothing could hit me while I was in the stat short of a ship explosion. 2 Kluth parasites tried to beam me focus fire wise while approaching pokeyourwaffle. They didnt even dent my side armor at all and i'm a heavy supply ship. They did hurt waffle though which suggests that the beams get absorbed. This means that not even beams can hit you if you hide inside a stat in a defensive position against say a kluth assault. Can you imagine people taking 1 stat/3 suppliers per stat and piling up on the enhanced repair rates? How rediculous would that be? I don't know for sure on exactly what the repair rate would be but it sounds like it would be rediculous. Coupling that with the concept of hiding in the stat for invulnerability is insane. Also what if bigger ships like carriers or dreads can fit under there? I don't know as I don't have the badges to try but it makes it clearly evident that if even some ships can be immune to incoming fire while camping a station then its a problem. [ This Message was edited by: rykros1987 on 2012-10-09 17:32 ]

Just like sitting on top of stations offensively, this too has held true for a long time.
It is generally held as not only rediculous, but also impolite, for a friendly dread to camp on top of a station and use it as a shield, because that station now cannot fire upon the same target as the dread is, because it'll just do friendly fire damage. Furthermore, unless you are right on the edge of the station you cannot use anything but beams because projectiles will collide with the station, causing friendly fire damage.... in this position you can also be shot at with anything, so it gives you no benefit.
Typically, this is indeed used to shield combat supply ships from cover, and as far as I know, no one minds this usage. Supply ships have such a limited role and are so easy to kill that it isn't a big deal.

Anywho, the solution to the problem of killing the supply ship is easy: if you get on top of the station as well, your beams should be able to kill it, if you're that desperate to kill it.

Stations are also used to hide ships running point defense for them, but this is rarely seen because most people don't fly ships just to run point defense, and when they do they usually try to get the missiles before they reach the station.
Combat engineer ships can also build supply platforms inside of a station's ring to cover the plats as well, but this doesn't happen too often. This is one of the few times I do not approve of using stations as shields.
The only other time I see stations being used like this is to provide cover for damaged ships that are repairing, and if you really want to kill those ships the previous method for killing supply ships works here as well.

On 2012-10-09 17:15, Hyperforce wrote:
with all weaknesses and tactics used to expose these and use it against them i personally disagree this is in anyway abuse of a weakness will all effective strategical attacks there is an always a counter measure for one tell your team mates not to FF you secondly as u have 12 cargo slots harry troops this will rid u of any dread especially a siphon which i often see implementing this tactic due to its close quarters combat efficiency thus meaning a smaller area to hold cargo due to a different set up and hull therefor i would imagine dropping half your capacity would be enough to motivate the attacking dread above u to move along and give your team mates a chance to fire assuming there not behind the 8 ball and attacking ure armor in which case take it upon yourself to educate them...

On 2012-10-04 15:38, Flash. wrote:
i was like 100 gu away from Poke and he could damage me sitting on the station. This is not right and normally if he can damage me i should do the same thing to him but unfortunately I'm doing a lot of FF.

when i have camped on top of stations, they have tried to dump troops on my ship, most of the time the enemy troops die to splash damage from torps/core yours and mine

On 2012-10-09 17:52, Hyperforce wrote:

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when i have camped on top of stations, they have tried to dump troops on my ship, most of the time the enemy troops die to splash damage from torps/core yours and mine

this may be true but identifying an opportunity between attacks or waiting for an energy drop to make your hit...and if your team mates splash is killing your units as i said tell them to stop FF or start learning that clicking enemy then hitting space bar till he dies is not how u do it...quite often there is an a friendly obstacle between u hey and u wouldnt believe this u might even have to set up hotkeys for certain weapons/beams/torps/missles/bombs/pulse waves...and u might even have to use them i mean have u tried only firing ure Beams IKR ure thinking wtf i have to think... yeah use your brain...those of you who have one use yours to help educate others if not teach them through demonstration...Points to [Helpers]

[ This Message was edited by: PokeYourWaffle[Helper] on 2012-10-10 06:17 ]