On 2013-10-30 07:10, Inconsequential Fire wrote:
The Fleet carrier still runs into the problem of not being able to see planetary structures.
I tried:
Having an allied ship standoff with me 1200gu from the planet with an active scanner - Nothing
Wasting two slots on SSRs then having them hug the planet - Nothing. SSRs are useless
Having a player hug the planet - Partial success. Could see only that half of the planet. Bombs would drop the pop but not actually damage structures.

Finally, ICC low level missiles can't hit snap, while I can still murder dessies and cruisers in metaverse with a LD. Anti-Radar seems to be too fast, and either cannot turn fast enough or is aiming too far off, even against stationary targets. I can use a missile frigate, or even missile dessy or cruiser, and I can't hit a ugto weapons plat from any range with them. They seem to be aiming at some point 75gy behind the actual plat/target. ITs have the same problem, and you can dump 20 frigate level ITs at a tercio and they will narrowly miss. Every salvo. As-is, the ICC ships with AR/ITs are not effect nor useful.
They only seem to need a small turning buff and they would be running hits most of the time.
(In the case of ARs, I wouldn't mind having interceptors like that being very, very hard to evade. They don't do that much damage, and they *should* be able to hit)

On 2013-10-29 11:17, Bardiche wrote:

If you have a 65% chance of doing something right, and you do it a 100 times, probability states that you will do it right 65% of the time. That's... that's what that number indicates. So if 10 fighters are launched, and pulse wave would destroy one of them 65 out of 100 times, then if it does it 10 times it should destroy 6 or 7 of them purely by going from maths. It could be unlucky and hit none, it could be lucky and hit all.

What you're saying about it "sometimes not affecting any at all" and that "often be much lower than 65% of a volley" is all poppycock because random number generation should have equal odds of picking a number between 0 and 100, and probability states it will pick a number lower than 65 OR 65, 65% of the time. If "often" it would do less than that, you'd be implying the random number generator is biased.

On 2013-10-29 10:54, Azreal wrote:
I understand that they can bring many pulse waves to a battle, but perhaps THAT is the issue, and not beating a gadget to death with a nerf bat.

You know, kinda like what we used to say about flux waves?

And then they were limited in number and vessel?

And they havent been an issue since....?

2 cents charged.

On 2013-10-31 09:00, Bardiche wrote:
Cloak is designed specifically to allow K'Luth to determine when combat starts and when it ends.

It should be 100% with a 30second cooldown. Pulse wave is a really good idea in keeping with the defensive nature of ICC but now its a bit more like just a firework which can sometimes burn a pilot or missle if they get too close, or not.

- What was that 'stealth at 100%' icon in the bottom left next to speed, I didn't notice it to be doing anything ever. If it is to inform the player of ewar in the area it is a good idea but it was not working at the time.

On 2013-10-29 22:15, Pantheon wrote:

Quote: On 2013-10-29 21:29, Elite ICS Mefeng wrote: I've been putting the weapon cooldown enhancement on my ships and the cooldown times don't seem to be changing. The stats don't change. Yeah, I actually counted the # of seconds for weapons that have a long recharge time (so it's more accurate) and the enhancement didn't change anything.

Cooler's reduce the time between each projectile (in multi-projectle weapons) in a volley of projectiles.

Condenser's reduce the cooldown of the weapon.

I'll change the effect readout to make this more well known.

On 2013-11-01 11:22, Elite Warrior Mefeng wrote:
Someone here (I forget who) has argued that since there are so many ICC players with pulse shields on virtually every ship, then the nerf is a good idea. So just because there are more people playing ICC, we should have it nerfed? Well if everyone started playing UGTO, then the flux wave should be nerfed to 50% chance of hitting a ship with much lower damage because at the moment, 1 flux will make a little frigate with 0 armor and 100% hull go boom. Or if an overwhelming majority played k'luth, we nerf their beams so 10 of them can't just jump you and alpha you to death?
The premise behind this person's argument is that too many people play ICC. Well, I'm sorry you play a faction that nobody really plays. Maybe you should get some more people to join/come back to DS instead.

ICC is supposed to be a range faction. We should continue to have that advantage, don't you think? With the pulse beam, it only has a range of 100 or 150 gu. [snip] So why all the QQ?
So perhaps we should increase the range for pulse shield? Or keep the range and increase the %?

Even though it reloads quickly, if there are enough missiles being fired, it won't be able to destroy all the missiles unless there's a ton of them.

And fighters, they already stay far enough from a ship, pulse shield rarely has the range to "hit" them, and there's no way the beams can hit them.

On 2013-11-01 05:22, Bardiche wrote:

At 100% with a 30 second cooldown, a single ICC combat ship can effectively replace all escort ships any of the other factions need to employ in order to screen against missiles and fighters. Your pulse beams already have the best reload speed and are able to remove most of the hostile projectiles engaging allied targets, to give ICC a device that will make them invulnerable to missile fire is not a step forward.

UGTO's Flux Wave does damage and that's all she does. I'd rather have something that prevents damage to me, but hey. K'Luth's Cloak exposes them to enemy fire for the duration of engaging it and is in the process of being looked at, but it has a definite drawback.

What would you propose is the pulse shield's weakness if employed at 100% probability with a 30 second cooldown? Unless its range were nerfed to be incredibly difficult to employ, it would just be a device that would merit the removal of all ICC point defence ships, as they are pointless. It is, however, not meant to make it so that ICC never has to employ point defence ships. It supplements your point defence abilities, and destroying all hostile projectiles within 300gu with a 50% probability achieves this goal. It does not replace your pulse beams, it does not replace the need for screening, it merely assists your point defence when under heavy fire.

ICC players do not appear to want a device that assists them against missile fire. They either want a tool that is overpowered and replaces the need to even install pulse beams, or they don't want it at all and want replacements. You can't have that. You have to accept that you were never meant to be impervious to missiles and fighters, and will never be meant to.