On 2010-03-30 19:05, Pakhos wrote:

Jack, doesnt matter how hard do you try to explain ,it wont work for kluth players when you are talking about the only super ship for kluth and a nerf bat. So in exchange what will we have? Will kluth players get a dread at VA? Why had to nerf already twice the krill since 1.5 came out? Will we get our spent credits on krills after u nerf the energy? (In a case we wont like and fly it). If people dont like getting shoot at their ass will kluth get a hammer head ead style armor?(no way we can go toe to toe). Isnt there realy any desadvantage on kluth faction? Is everything at our favour?

Realy want to see answer for each question!

On 2010-03-30 19:28, BackSlash wrote:


Not quite sure what you're on about here...

First, K'luth have two super dreadnoughts, whereas ICC and UGTO only have the one. In exchange for nerfing the Krill's energy, you get a balanced ship much like the rest of your ships, and others. K'luth have no reason to get a dreadnought at VA, their cruiser does more damage than the UGTO and ICC dreadnoughts at that rank.

We've nerfed the Krill twice already because it required it. We wouldn't have done it if there was no need to, and there is DEFINATELY a need to - there is absolutely no way that the Krill was ever meant to have the energy management that it currently has. It goes against every corner of the very design K'luth is based on. We give K'luth INSANE damage because it's limited by the energy you use. You are FORCED to go back under cloak to A) regain energy and B) avoid damage. The Krill does not apply the first rule, but does insane damage. This needs to be fixed.

I'll state this again, because somehow you've managed to miss it: there is an issue with the Krill's energy management, nothing else.

And if K'luth don't like getting shot up the rear, I suggest you use the little feature we gave you called cloak.

- Jack

Krill has no insane damage ability .Infact there are only 2 ships on kluth side which can give a insane damage to enemy . MANDIBLE and SIPHON.

Anyway u didnt answer all my questions as always.

Do we have everything on our favour as kluth? (This one will make my day for sure)

Kluth ships get uncloacked by eccm/scanner good idea but for those of you that dont play kluth we also have a slight cooldown after cloak depending sig. Kluth ships cannot shoot drop infantry or recloak after sig has reached the level depending on ecms/eccms/scanners. A kluth ship that would have 100+ sig after uncloak will have to wait around 30-40seconds before it can shoot or unload infantry. USE THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE NO NEED FOR NERF.

On 2010-03-30 22:23, Crow Starcommander*CO* wrote:
Your big hitters are the Krill and siphon. Krill because of the SI which have a hard impact damage which is good vs hull poor vs armor.

On 2010-03-30 18:34, F.Adm. Kirk wrote:
I do like the concept of mixing up big ships and little ships, but there should be some incentive for the player to make that choice, instead of an arbitrary rule. When I can make 4000 pres/day shrooming around for a few hours, why should I pull a dessie? I do occassionally still pull one out, but only becuase the fleet is in desparate need. If there was some way to make a prestige reward for flying smaller ships, I think that most non-ga's would hop out of the station without much coaxing.

On 2010-03-30 09:49, Bardiche wrote:
I'm saying it mostly because back-attacking is something K'luth alone can monopolise. Giving a powerful ship a weakness isn't really absurd - the AD has similar lack of offence in its back. Granted, it has shielding and an armour plate there, making it superior to the EAD in terms of defences.

But the weakness of an EAD can be covered by flying another ship behind it to guard its rear. This is simply a matter of devising a strategy to cover weaknesses.

And, of course, EAD isn't the ideal ship to use against K'luth because of all the cloaking and sneaking behind the back. It's all just a matter of strategy and tactics to cover the EAD's weaknesses.


(PS: You must be crazy, suggesting ICC or UGTO to jump a Krill. Who knows how many Krill cloak around it. I wouldn't jump a Krill unless I was sure others'd join in the jump because of LOLAMBUSH)

On 2010-03-30 12:20, Tael wrote:
People are focusing on planet hug comments, and sorry to say, every time I go in server I see Kluth all clustered and hugging planets.

Maybe these two or three players dont do it, but I see it all the time now.

But what the K'luth players are ignoring is the bigger problem, the cloak tranny rush.

There is no way for the humans to defend their planets if the Kluth can send in 4 or 5 transports full of inf cloaked, get 50 gu from the surfaces, and uncloak and drop inf. Nearly instant take over of the planet.

On 2010-03-30 22:45, MrSparkle wrote:

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On 2010-03-30 22:23, Crow Starcommander*CO* wrote: Your big hitters are the Krill and siphon. Krill because of the SI which have a hard impact damage which is good vs hull poor vs armor.

Just pointing out that this is a bit of a misunderstanding. It's only reflective armor that reduces SI damage. The reason they seem better vs hull is because hulls have way fewer hit points than armor (is hit points the right term?), especially if that armor is reflective.

So it's not that SI are poor vs armor, it's that armor takes way more of a beating than any hull does.

Siphons are indeed heavy hitters but their energy usage is so high it makes you cry. AM torps use a ridiculous amount of energy for the damage they do.

Let me say this: If ELF beams were fixed and brought back to the usefulness they once had, meaning longer range (range is way too short) and significant energy stolen from the target (meaning not simply increasing energy recharge for the siphon without affecting the target's energy) I wouldn't be opposed to removing the Krill from the game entirely, so long as any credits spent on existing Krills were refunded of course.

On 2010-03-30 22:23, Crow Starcommander*CO* wrote:
It takes a dedicated planet to do that or a lot of sensor plats that are easily killed. If we had planets with a lot of ECCM it would be great for anti kluth but would suck at defending itself against bombing or fighter bombing. The only places you can make such a planet are in clusters that are orbiting a binary system. You can then turn a barren planet into one of these that protects the rest of the cluster. Case in point, Luyten and Sirius are the two systems that come to mind. In luyten you can make Michelle that planet or in Sirius (in scen at least) turn Taf into that. Again this can only occur at certain planets in certain systems otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.

On 2010-03-31 01:17, Sputter{TB} wrote:
anyone ever think that the icc combat dread needs a fix of its loadout, seems rather messed up to me with all the missiles, feels kinda useless