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Bardiche
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|  Posted: 2010-06-24 06:07
... Does this mean the staff team is considering this model for actual use?
... No, I'm not going to even try and hide how excited that'd make me~
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2010-06-24 07:32
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On 2010-06-24 05:59, Drafell wrote:
Lose the greeble effects. They are a huge waste of polygons.
The body of the model itself is actually about as optimized as you can get.
There are a number of flat areas on the nacelles where you have 18 polygons that could easily be reduced down to 2.
The long rear recesses of the carrier nacelles have an 8 polygon cap. The could be reduced to 2 polygons. The walls of the recesses coudl also have the poly count cut down in a similar manner.
The front nacelle recesses are currently using a * shaped face. The end cap for this could be removed and simple replaced with a two polygon square that is bigger than the gap it is covering. The curved effect is then simulated via texture (You could consider doing this cheating on the mesh integrity - but the inside of the model doesnt have to look pretty, only the outside).
The rear thrusters are too polygon heavy.
The fins/towers need to be worked on to reduce the polygon count, otherwise the overall model is a good and solid effort.
P.S. Listen to Tael. If he suggests a change, please try to make it, although also ensure that you back up the file before make any big adjustments. We will often work through 5-15 variations of a finished model before choosing something that we are satisfied with.
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Thanks for the feedback. Will see what I can do about those.
[ This Message was edited by: Kenny_Naboo on 2010-06-24 10:36 ]
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2010-06-24 10:38
Update:
More redesigns on 3DS Max 2010 based on suggestions by Drafell
- Complete redesign of nose cone
-- Nose shape is now "broken up"
-- More industrial looking ala BSG, more in line with ICC style
-- Now includes a fighter/transport bay and port in the bow
- Removed extra polys where I could (ie. in engine nacelle "intake" * )
- Added luminance to engine nacelles
- Redone nacelles and pylons, removed greebles
- Lower pod includes fighter launch and recovery ports
- Engine thruster nozzles slightly simplified
A edge-face view of the ship to see where all the vertices and polys are.
Unfortunately, I'm not that good a modeller to know how to reduce the poly count drastically yet... still learning as I go along.
[ This Message was edited by: Kenny_Naboo on 2010-06-24 10:39 ]
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Kaoschan
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From: Germany
| Posted: 2010-06-24 10:43
looks very nice! (you reduced the polycount by almost 40%)
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2010-06-24 10:58
Here's the rendered view of the ship.
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Drafell
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| Posted: 2010-06-24 10:59
If I get chance, I'll see if I can redo one of the nacelles for you so that you can see what I mean. Still plenty of room for cuts.
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2010-06-24 11:04
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On 2010-06-24 10:59, Drafell wrote:
If I get chance, I'll see if I can redo one of the nacelles for you so that you can see what I mean. Still plenty of room for cuts.
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PhiliChez
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| Posted: 2010-06-24 15:09
that should totaly be enlarged and turned into ICC juggernaut like the kluth juggernaut idea. give it everything in a somewhat orderly manner. rofl now all we need it one for the UGTO.
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Mr Black
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From: Gaifenland
| Posted: 2010-06-24 15:32
Just as a note, although the mesh itself is fine, you need to look at flipping the normals on a large section of the model. It is bugging out in 3ds max with render errors.
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Drafell
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| Posted: 2010-06-24 16:15
Hopefully this shoudl give you an indication of what I mean by optimising the mesh. I have combined some of the flat area's into a single two poly surface instead of using 6-12 polies for the same area. This can be done in a number of other places on the model.
You can use the Edit Mesh modifier > select the faces to delete, use the Delete option in the modifier dialogue, and then use the create option to create new faces in thier place.
If the faces are 'backwards' (facing inwards) use the flip normals option which is lower down in the edit mesh list.
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2010-06-25 01:11
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On 2010-06-24 16:15, Drafell wrote:
Hopefully this shoudl give you an indication of what I mean by optimising the mesh. I have combined some of the flat area's into a single two poly surface instead of using 6-12 polies for the same area. This can be done in a number of other places on the model.
You can use the Edit Mesh modifier > select the faces to delete, use the Delete option in the modifier dialogue, and then use the create option to create new faces in thier place.
If the faces are 'backwards' (facing inwards) use the flip normals option which is lower down in the edit mesh list.
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yeah thanks. I think I got what u mean abt the optimizing bit.
Btw which faces were flipped??
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Iwancoppa
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| Posted: 2010-06-25 04:53
thats totally awesome. loving it.
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Kenny_Naboo
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| Posted: 2010-06-25 22:06
Not much in the way of hull detail changes. Just optimization this time.
- Combined meshes mostly in the 4 pods and parts of the hull
- Adjusted the extruded "spine" on the conning tower, to make it blend in more
- Reduced poly count
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From: Shadows
| Posted: 2010-06-25 22:22
das a cool ship
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Drafell
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| Posted: 2010-06-26 04:35
That is looking much better.
The front and the rear could use some more work however; try to make them less flat in the overhead view.
I am currently envisioning this as more of a cruiser class ship instead of a dreadnought. You might want to try enlarging the thrusters a little and giving the design more length.
Additonal info:
2.3.2.4 Cruisers
Overview
Size and Specifications
Length:- 761-765m
Beam(width):- 247-361m
Draft(depth):- 76-269m
Crew:- 250-350
Cargo:- 4 Standard Units
Poly Count:- Approx. 2000-2500.
2.3.2.5 Dreadnoughts
Overview
Size and Specifications
Length:- 1392-1570m
Beam(width):- 328-848m
Draft(depth):- 216-438m
Crew:- 900-1200
Cargo:- 6 Standard Units
Poly Count:- Approx. 2500-3000.
We prefer new models to err on the lower side of the polygon count.
You now have 400-900 polygons to play with for adding detail.
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