On 2010-08-13 00:08, Kenny_Naboo wrote:
My comments:

In the limited time I had to play ICC (I played it only about 4 or 5 times in the first week of the Raven/PB switch, then had to fly off on a work trip), well this is what I found.

First off, ICC aren't as weak as what a lot of ppl are claiming. The thing that against K'luth, you should never be flying alone. Come to think of it... flying alone against anyone, anytime is a good way to reduce your lifespan drastically.

It's a numbers game. 1 vs 1, a K'luth dread can never take on an ICC or UGTO dread down. It's just some prestige gain before he has to bail. And when that happens, the ICC/UGTO ship has also gotten his fair share of pres.

K'luths are always most succesful in numbers (as many have said), but which faction isn't? You put 3 UGTO/ICC dreads against 1 Kluth, and all he can do is run. You reverse the situation, and the human ship has to run. Isn't that the mechanics of gameplay?


Playing ICC, you have to know when to quit and run. Unlike K'luths, you have to give yourself a bigger buffer. I'm always prepared when on ICC. If I get jumped by 2 or more dreads and know that I don't stand a chance, I hit Def mode, then F2 to target a safe planet (or gate) and make that jump pronto. No random e-jumps into deep space where they can track me and take me out. I have the luxury of Def mode to last that moment longer to actually do a proper plot.

Also, once a Kluth dread is decloaked, you ICCs have to focus fire on ONE of them. Call the Primary target. Kluth armor is weak. 3 ICC ADs or CDs focusing fire on a single K'luth dread will take him out of the fight pretty damned fast. Even if you are under fire by 2 other Kluths, you keep your focus on that primary target until he gets blown up, or he jumps out, or you take enough damage to warrant a quick escape.

Use your own fleetmates as cover. That's why I said "Stick close to them". If you're the enemy's primary, you can always run behind one of your own teammates to let him absorb some of the hits while you recover, adjust your shielding, or reposition yourself. You're the primary, and your teammate probably hasn't taken a hit yet, so it's wise to spread the damage out. Just remember not to FF him, or take FF by flying into his volley.

Also, I learnt to jump, then recharge my JD to at least 70% before I entered an engagement or go through a gate. That way, I only have under a minute or so before I'm ready to e-jump out if needed.


Perhaps playing Kluth will help you to prepare playing against Kluth.

As for cloak, I found it exciting to try locating K'luth using ping and blindfire. Never once did I complain about "Come out and fight like a man, you lobster!!"

On 2010-08-13 06:47, Bardiche wrote:
Idly, K'Luth have engines that provide a speed bost of nearly 10%, off-hand without testing.

Also idly, I wanted to ask how the Raven feel about Cruisers VS Dreadnoughts on K'Luth; given that the latter has a massive boost in durability with the addition of two AHR slots instead of just one, I'd be interested to see if they share the K'Luth sentiments that flying Cruisers when you can get a Dread just doesn't make much sense.

On 2010-08-13 07:39, N'kra The Wolf wrote:
on other kluth classes:

stations: didnt personally fly one, but a kluth player brought out a hive that he claimed he could solo anything but a line station in. talk to Bad Horse for more since he really flew nothing but stations the entire time 0.o

dreads: i flew mainly a siphon in combat. since it had a good spread between torps and beams there wasnt very much UGTO armour swapping could do to counter it. my main impressions of combat were drawn from this: it basically destroys anything in the way. i was also regularly surprised with how quickly i was ready to fight again.

another raven commented "i hope we stay kluth. the scarab and krill are hilarious"

cruisers: i tried the scarab momentarily. this is obviously the one that takes the most skill, since you have to time your mine drop and have a target that youll still be able to use the mines against after. getting pulsed also wasnt very fun =S my main cruiser was the scale. tbh i didnt think to check repair rates and whatnot against one another between classes. id say the scale was closer to what i expected for a hit and run faction: if we brought ECM cover and worked as a team a group of cruisers could take down individual targets amongst a fleet. i'm not sure if it felt legitimately or just comparatively underpowered.

destroyers: the speed and turn rate on these makes getting hit pretty rare, but getting hit hurts like hell. i meant to get another batch of people together to try a dessie rush but it didnt look like we ever had enough people on before our switch back. sorry Jim =( our first experience with them suggested they werent the most effective, but we were flying them against a larger and heavier fleet.

frigate: only frigate i tried was instars for the 3 ECM to help bombing.


@ kenny:
we brought a dictor into the cluster. no one escaped. we killed a lot of people.