On 2011-07-26 08:41, Bardiche wrote:
"This was nothing to do with skill or tactics, there were times when two UGTO jumped a Strike Cruiser, and the SC killed both."

Which UGTO ships were those, who was flying the Strike Cruiser, who were the UGTO flying those ships? I honestly can't imagine the Strike Cruiser taking out two Cruisers, so were they Destroyers or Frigates?

- I don't think reducing already low damage value of ICC main guns can solve anything. Rescaling PCannon damage fall off is better from my POV.

On 2011-07-26 10:41, darksmaster923 (3IC) wrote:

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- I don't think reducing already low damage value of ICC main guns can solve anything. Rescaling PCannon damage fall off is better from my POV.

Actually, with the weapons nerf, the UGTO pcannon is BETTER than the railgun at all ranges, which shows that you need to remove the weapon nerf.

On 2011-07-26 07:14, Pantheon wrote:
You talk about knee jerk reactions, I was playing yesterday for 4 hours whilst UGTO were trying a Destroyers only, Cruisers only, Dreads only, Destroyers and Cruisers, Cruisers and Dreads, Dreads and Destroyers, a mix of all... Nothing worked, and afted looking at the stats from the server, 4 UGTO died for every 1 ICC, and we had the numbers advantage.

This was nothing to do with skill or tactics, there were times when two UGTO jumped a Strike Cruiser, and the SC killed both. There are many balancing issues that will only ever be brought to light when we push release, and this is one of them.

We will be monitoring and toning down/up factions as we deem necessairy to make the game enjoyable for everyone. Right now, it isn't, and we're addressing that. People from the community crying foul without removing their bias and testing what has been changed will likely be ignored, as I've read several comments that no facts back-up, and cannot be true in any way, shape, or form.

ICC weapons got a 10% reduction in damage (this is VERY minor, so don't go shouting to the high heavens about how much it'll change things).
UGTO weapons got a 10% boost in damage.

Standard Armor got a 25% hp increase.
Active Shields got a 25% hp decreased.

On 2011-07-26 11:39, An Fiach wrote:
This wasn't affected at all by UGTO being outnumbered, ICC being in a defensive position with better access to supply and repair? Was it also not affected by fighters and missiles hitting ships that are in close combat with a single ship at a distance?

Seems there is a lot of variables to take into account, the above, as well as player skill, enhancements, etc. and none can be accurately reproduced unless you run a closed simulation with AI about 100 times and record the results.

In any case, using players to gauge the results of changes made is unreliable, especially when they know you are watching. Very few will really be objective, despite appearances.

On 2011-07-26 12:49, Talien wrote:


It's AI testing that's unreliable, as AI suck in combat and can't do much of anything unless a player is ordering them around, otherwise half the time you'll come up to an AI that's heading somewhere else and it just flies in a straight line while you follow behind it and blow it apart. Player testing is the only option since the bulk of combat is player vs player and not player vs AI.

But I suppose if you want REALLY accurate results you'd have to get people to not use their own faction's ships when doing testing so there can't be any claims of bias.

On 2011-07-26 11:09, *XO*Defiance wrote:
*SC mod

left and right reactive shields

for and aft active shields

1x color trail

3x makhar ship boosters

4x adv weapon accelerators

Aft Gauss guns.


*BD mod

all ablative armor

1x unknown.. (sorry forgot)

7x adv def upgrades.


*TC mod

1x color trail

7x makhar ship boosters

ablative armor