On 2012-10-09 17:15, Hyperforce wrote:

this is like saying its abuse to attack Assault dreads from the rear in a parasite ...

[ This Message was edited by: Zero28[Helper] on 2012-10-10 09:02 ]

On 2012-10-09 17:29, rykros1987 wrote:

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On 2012-10-08 11:38, Fatal Incinarator |SoT| wrote: Quote: On 2012-10-08 10:48, rykros1987 wrote: This issue goes even further then just stat sitting. I found out earlier that there was a way to hide things like supply ships under a stats outer part of their dome. Now from what I observed nothing could hit me while I was in the stat short of a ship explosion. 2 Kluth parasites tried to beam me focus fire wise while approaching pokeyourwaffle. They didnt even dent my side armor at all and i'm a heavy supply ship. They did hurt waffle though which suggests that the beams get absorbed. This means that not even beams can hit you if you hide inside a stat in a defensive position against say a kluth assault. Can you imagine people taking 1 stat/3 suppliers per stat and piling up on the enhanced repair rates? How rediculous would that be? I don't know for sure on exactly what the repair rate would be but it sounds like it would be rediculous. Coupling that with the concept of hiding in the stat for invulnerability is insane. Also what if bigger ships like carriers or dreads can fit under there? I don't know as I don't have the badges to try but it makes it clearly evident that if even some ships can be immune to incoming fire while camping a station then its a problem. [ This Message was edited by: rykros1987 on 2012-10-09 17:32 ] Just like sitting on top of stations offensively, this too has held true for a long time. It is generally held as not only rediculous, but also impolite, for a friendly dread to camp on top of a station and use it as a shield, because that station now cannot fire upon the same target as the dread is, because it'll just do friendly fire damage. Furthermore, unless you are right on the edge of the station you cannot use anything but beams because projectiles will collide with the station, causing friendly fire damage.... in this position you can also be shot at with anything, so it gives you no benefit. Typically, this is indeed used to shield combat supply ships from cover, and as far as I know, no one minds this usage. Supply ships have such a limited role and are so easy to kill that it isn't a big deal. Anywho, the solution to the problem of killing the supply ship is easy: if you get on top of the station as well, your beams should be able to kill it, if you're that desperate to kill it. Stations are also used to hide ships running point defense for them, but this is rarely seen because most people don't fly ships just to run point defense, and when they do they usually try to get the missiles before they reach the station. Combat engineer ships can also build supply platforms inside of a station's ring to cover the plats as well, but this doesn't happen too often. This is one of the few times I do not approve of using stations as shields. The only other time I see stations being used like this is to provide cover for damaged ships that are repairing, and if you really want to kill those ships the previous method for killing supply ships works here as well.

Sure except for one fact. I wasn't on *top* of the stat. I was under its dome. I was on flat ground with the 2 charging parasites. Angle had nothing to do with it. Poke's ship literally absorbed 2 barrages of beams for me while im level with the enemies height. The kluth actually tried to kill me repeatedly and the only time I finally got even scratched was when poke moved because they felt it was unfair while I was taunting the kluth. Then when he moved away I tried to catch up and got caught by a mandible barrage and died. The only reason they seemed to be able to hit was due to poke moving away so I couldn't hide *under* his outer dome anymore.

So just to make it clear I wasn't hiding on *top* of the station like other people tend to do. I was literally under the dome next to the stem of the station.

On 2012-10-10 08:49, Fattierob wrote:
Beams fired from your ship should not be damaging your ship. If they are, report it as a bug with steps to get it working. Don't say something like "in the middle of combat I fired my beams and took damage so therefore the beams I fired did damage to me" because that is like saying "in the middle of combat I fired my beams and the ambient air pressure dropped by 20 pascals and I took damage so therefore air pressure did damage to me"

On 2012-10-10 16:57, Talien wrote:
You know, I look at the title of this thread and suddenly it hits me. LoA was more of a visionary than anyone gave him credit for.....I mean, he DID create the barstool afterall.

On 2012-10-10 14:43, Fatal Incinarator |SoT| wrote:

You're saying that you were still on the same, normal x-y playing field, but you were right next to the stats actual hull? The only way I have ever seen this happen is if you are on top of the station and you orbit a planet. When you orbit the planet the game forces your z-coordinate to zero, causing you to 'sink' into the station you were sitting on top of. If this is what you were referring to, then it has no bearings on the matter. Everything discussed before still applies to this condition.

On 2012-10-11 09:53, rykros1987 wrote:

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On 2012-10-10 14:43, Fatal Incinarator |SoT| wrote: You're saying that you were still on the same, normal x-y playing field, but you were right next to the stats actual hull? The only way I have ever seen this happen is if you are on top of the station and you orbit a planet. When you orbit the planet the game forces your z-coordinate to zero, causing you to 'sink' into the station you were sitting on top of. If this is what you were referring to, then it has no bearings on the matter. Everything discussed before still applies to this condition.

How does it not have any bearings on the matter? Sure its not exactly the same as sitting on top but it does involve absorbing all the damage sent at you with a station while repairing it and only having to float in one spot without moving. It's a similiar thing though... just more limited on scenarios.(having to be near a planet)

On 2012-10-12 01:19, Hide wrote:
Lets just put out a bunch of red tape so no one gets hurt from now on. Please outfit all ships with Nerf guns, so that there are no more hurt feeling plz...

On 2012-10-12 11:47, Scorched Soul[+R][Help] wrote:

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On 2012-10-12 01:19, Hide wrote: Lets just put out a bunch of red tape so no one gets hurt from now on. Please outfit all ships with Nerf guns, so that there are no more hurt feeling plz...

Something makes me doubt that you have ever flown a station, let alone been sat on in one. Please go find a troll with experience in flying stations and come back but not before then.

On 2012-10-13 12:24, Azreal wrote:
8 pages of reasons I wont reinstall.

Tractors. Re-enable for use vs ships. Solved.

Not obstinance and vitriolic comments.

Stats have been nerfed in virtually every way to make them nearly useless. At least let them defend themselves from a pathetic weakling tactic ffs.